If Evolution were true...

[AV1611VET]

What if the person was schizophrenic?

This man I'm talking about is one of the most famous revivalists in America today.

I'm going to withhold his name for obvious reasons.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

This man I'm talking about is one of the most famous revivalists in America today.

I'm going to withhold his name for obvious reasons.

Ted Haggard?

 

[AV1611VET]

Ted Haggard?

The name doesn't matter; the point I made does.

 

[Davian]

Science can take on anything/anyone that makes a claim.

Does this 'voice of God' provide any information you did not already have, subconsciously or not?

No? Dismissed as imagination, no matter how real it feels. That's is just how the human brain has evolved to work. Very suggestible.

Yes? Can that information be verified and can it be repeated? You would rock the scientific world.




















Nothing yet.

Myself, if I thought I was hearing the 'voice of God' I would ask how find missing children. Cure diseases. Help out on the Unified Theory of everything. The world would change....

Well, then I guess you will have to become one of His disciples if you want to hear from Him.

No need to. We just have to find someone that claims to hear God's voice, then see if they can pass my simple test.

Anyone?

 

[AV1611VET]

Anyone?

The devil already tried it, and it didn't work -- qv Matthew 4.

 

[Inan3]

No need to. We just have to find someone that claims to hear God's voice, then see if they can pass my simple test.

Anyone?

Nope, no one is interested in your "simple" test. Somethings are above that.

 

[Davian]

This man I'm talking about is one of the most famous revivalists in America today.

I'm going to withhold his name for obvious reasons.

Ted Haggard?

I'll imagine it's Ted. That makes AV's post much more interesting. He's certainly up there with 'one of the most famous'.

 

[Inan3]

I'll imagine it's Ted.

Sure... go ahead... we understand.... we know you evolutionists are good at imagining. You're always making up something.

 

[Deaver]

Evolution says nothing about the origins of the universe, the solar system, even the origins of life. Thus your statement is inane and completely devoid of meaning.



As Nathan Poe said... does that rule out speciation events then? (Keep in mind we've observed dozens and dozens of them.)

I will make mself more clear, for you. I believe that the Bible is the Word of God. Therefore, I believe that God is the creator of everything. Without a universe, a solar system, or an earth there would be nothing to evolve. So, I go back to the beginning.

Now let’s look at a summary of the Genesis theory of Creation:

God made the heavens and the earth and all that is in them in the following order:

· Day 1: The earth without any form; water; light
· Day 2: The sky, the earth’s atmosphere
· Day 3: The bodies of water; the dry land; vegetation
· Day 4: The sun, moon, and stars to serve as signs, seasons, days, and years.
· Day 5: The aquatic creatures; the birds
· Day 6: The land creatures; man

Can these two things, evolution and creation, work together?

As a Christian, I believe in creation (In the beginning God created…) with ongoing micro-evolution of the species.

 

[Deaver]

So what would prevent speciation? (Bear in mind we've already seen it happen)

Isn’t that really the argument of evolution – that all life on Earth has resulted from the speciation of earlier organisms? I am sure you have some, so can you give me examples of when speciation has occurred.. Please include the definition used to definition of what constitutes a species.

 

[Orogeny]

Sure... go ahead... we understand.... we know you evolutionists are good at imagining.

An active imagination is the hallmark of a good scientist.

 

[Davian]

No need to. We just have to find someone that claims to hear God's voice, then see if they can pass my simple test.

Anyone?

Nope, no one is interested in your "simple" test. Somethings are above that.

Do you speak for everyone here?

We are in a forum that is full of people actively attempting to provide evidential support for their beliefs. I am here to give mine a good shake. Let's test them.

Of what value is a claim that can't be tested?


None.

 

[Awesome_Frog]

Isn’t that really the argument of evolution – that all life on Earth has resulted from the speciation of earlier organisms? I am sure you have some, so can you give me examples of when speciation has occurred.. Please include the definition used to definition of what constitutes a species.

A species is a classification we have put on organism. A species is usually an organism or group of organisms that are isolated sexually within itself.

For example Dogs are a species, Weasels are a species, and bears are a species. All three of these groups belong to caniforms because all three groups share genetic information that links them together.

An example of speciation is from Lupus Lupus ( Wolves), and Lupus Familarus (dogs). Dogs branched off of tamed wolves with features being selected for. This is artificial specialization.

If we go back further we see how Wolves and Coyotes diverged, and back further, we see how Pre Coyotes/Wolves diverged from Pre Foxes.

This phylogenetic path was discovered with genetics.

 

[Davian]

No need to. We just have to find someone that claims to hear God's voice, then see if they can pass my simple test.

Anyone?

The devil already tried it, and it didn't work -- qv Matthew 4.

I thought you liked these simple little tests.

Why didn't it work?

Another reference from a bible will be accepted as abdication. Circular logic makes me dizzy.

 

[SignOfGod]

IAnother reference from a bible will be accepted as abdication.

You have just banned all they have.

 

[Awesome_Frog]

I will make mself more clear, for you. I believe that the Bible is the Word of God. Therefore, I believe that God is the creator of everything. Without a universe, a solar system, or an earth there would be nothing to evolve. So, I go back to the beginning.

This is irrelevant to the Theory of evolution. only applies with how living organism have adapted and changed due to their environment.

Now let’s look at a summary of the Genesis theory of Creation:

There is no Genesis theory, only an assertion. The reason why the Genesis account is not a theory, is because its not a testable model. Its an explanation of events with no data, only assertions. Theories are tested models that have predictable results.

God made the heavens and the earth and all that is in them in the following order:

· Day 1: The earth without any form; water; light
· Day 2: The sky, the earth’s atmosphere
· Day 3: The bodies of water; the dry land; vegetation
· Day 4: The sun, moon, and stars to serve as signs, seasons, days, and years.
· Day 5: The aquatic creatures; the birds
· Day 6: The land creatures; man

Can these two things, evolution and creation, work together?

How do you know this is how it actually happened, and this is not just what the author at the time thinks what happened? What data do you have that supports that this is the actual chain of events?

What model shows how creation works? Is it testable? What are the finding if it is testable?

As a Christian, I believe in creation (In the beginning God created&#8230 with ongoing micro-evolution of the species.

How do you define micro evolution? I'm asking because if you believe that God made certain kinds, then I would need you to explain what separates kinds, because we have found through genetics that Bears, Foxes, Wolves, Dogs, and Weasels all descend from a common ancestor that makes up caniforms. Would that be a kind? Then when you add felaforms into the mix (cats, big cats, Hyenas) we find that all felaforms and caniforms trace back to a common ancestor that looks similar to a weasel/lemur like creature.

 

[SignOfGod]

Now let’s look at a summary of the Genesis theory of Creation:

It's not a theory it's a story.

God made the heavens and the earth and all that is in them in the following order:

· Day 1: The earth without any form; water; light
· Day 2: The sky, the earth’s atmosphere
· Day 3: The bodies of water; the dry land; vegetation
· Day 4: The sun, moon, and stars to serve as signs, seasons, days, and years.
· Day 5: The aquatic creatures; the birds
· Day 6: The land creatures; man

Can these two things, evolution and creation, work together?

Of course they can't work together because evolution is a fact and the creation is pure fiction.

 

[Tiberius]

We wouldn't see anything, there would be no world, no universe. Without a creator, there would be nothing.

In other words, you're assuming that there must be a creator in order to support your position that there is a creator. Circular logic.

The answer really boils down to whether we have faith or not. I have answered in other threads that I support creation and then micro-evolution; that is evolution within species.

The processes that produce micro-evolution are exactly the same processes that produce macro-evolution. the only difference is the length of time that they operate over.

 

[Deaver]

It's not a theory it's a story.

Of course they can't work together because evolution is a fact and the creation is pure fiction.

From this statement, am I to assume that you do not believe the Genesis account recorded in the Bible?

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

From this statement, am I to assume that you do not believe the Genesis account recorded in the Bible?

So I assume you've never heard of a metaphorical interpretation of Genesis?