If evolution is real, then where is it?

[AV1611VET]

Actually there are quite a few similar examples. Osiris, the ancient Egyptian God, was betrayed and murdered by a friend. He rose from the dead and ascended to the heavens.

He didn't stay alive long, did he?

Exodus 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.

 

[MoreCoffee]

He didn't stay alive long, did he?

Exodus 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.

Yeah, all those plagues were aimed at one after the other of the principal idols of ancient Egypt. But I am not sure that the claim in Oafman's post is correct. I do not believe that the Osiris mythology had a resurrection like Christ's in it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He didn't stay alive long, did he?

Exodus 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.

But we know that part of the Bible did not happen either. So a belief in Moses, who did not exist, supports a belief in the resurrection and eternal life of Osiris since he did not exist either. If you accept one false idea then it only makes sense that you should accept other false ideas AV/

 

[Oafman]

Yeah, all those plagues were aimed at one after the other of the principal idols of ancient Egypt. But I am not sure that the claim in Oafman's post is correct. I do not believe that the Osiris mythology had a resurrection like Christ's in it.

Well obviously not identical to Christ's; eg no crucifixion or cave etc, but Osiris was betrayed and killed, and returned to life and ascended to the heavens. There is even the Passion of Osiris, with plays performed about his suffering and death.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah, all those plagues were aimed at one after the other of the principal idols of ancient Egypt. But I am not sure that the claim in Oafman's post is correct. I do not believe that the Osiris mythology had a resurrection like Christ's in it.

I don't know either.

Egyptian mythology wasn't one of my areas of interest.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Well obviously not identical to Christ's; eg no crucifixion or cave etc, but Osiris was betrayed and killed, and returned to life and ascended to the heavens. There is even the Passion of Osiris, with plays performed about his suffering and death.

Do you have some credible sources for these claims?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0-EgjUhRqA

There are rather a lot of fake claims circulating about ancient myths.

 

[AV1611VET]

But we know that part of the Bible did not happen either.

And we know otherwise.

So a belief in Moses, who did not exist,

From Wikipedia:

The existence of Moses as well as the veracity of the Exodus story are disputed among archaeologists and Egyptologists, with experts in the field of biblical criticism citing logical inconsistencies, new archaeological evidence, historical evidence, and related origin myths in Canaanite culture.

Other historians maintain that the biographical details and Egyptian background attributed to Moses imply the existence of a historical political and religious leader who was involved in the consolidation of the Hebrew tribes in Canaan towards the end of the Bronze Age.

You're privy to information that breaks the tie, are you?

... supports a belief in the resurrection and eternal life of Osiris since he did not exist either.

0/0 =1 does it?

If you accept one false idea then it only makes sense that you should accept other false ideas AV/

Even if I agreed with this post, I would disagree with this part of it -- strongly.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well obviously not identical to Christ's; eg no crucifixion or cave etc, but Osiris was betrayed and killed, and returned to life and ascended to the heavens. There is even the Passion of Osiris, with plays performed about his suffering and death.

We call that Diabolical Plagiarism, a.k.a. Diabolical Mimicry.

 

[Oafman]

Do you have some credible sources for these claims?

Will Wikipedia do? Like I said, this is not an area of expertise for me

There are rather a lot of fake claims circulating about ancient myths.

I couldn't agree more

 

[Oafman]

We call that Diabolical Plagiarism, a.k.a. Diabolical Mimicry.

Difficult to mimic something which is not due to happen for centuries!

 

[AV1611VET]

Difficult to mimic something which is not due to happen for centuries!

I like the story of the man who caught a Leprechaun and made him reveal where he buried his pot of gold.

The Leprechaun led him deep into the forest and showed him a tree.

Whereupon the man tied a yellow ribbon around it and went to get a shovel, after making the Leprechaun promise he wouldn't touch the ribbon.

When he came back with a shovel, to his horror, the Leprechaun had tied yellow ribbons around every tree in the forest.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Since this thread is about evolution's claims to reality ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d4FHHf00pY

 

[USincognito]

LoL isn't evolution like faith after all?
-LOOK AT ALL THE EVOLUTION AROUND US!...
-But, where?, I don't see evolution anywhere, I just see animals like they are and they give birth to their kind.
-Just because you don't see it it doesn't mean it isn't real!! Just wait millions of years and you will see it, you filthy christian retrograd!!

Are you under the impression that evolution predicts something like an iguana hatching a clutch of puppies in one generation?

What do you call the Book of Mormon, the Bhavagad-gita, The Preservation of Favoured Races, Strong's Concordance, the Necronomicon, the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the Satanic Bible, or I Ching?

I call this trolling.

 

[AV1611VET]

Since this thread is about evolution's claims to reality ...

Love it!

 

[Oncedeceived]

He didn't. Inspired but fallible men did.

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is God's son, lived and died for the sins of mankind and is the only way to Heaven?

 

[Oncedeceived]

How do you know that happened? Even if it did happen, how do you know they had a good reason to hold the belief they were martyred for? Some people really are willing to die for beliefs that are completely unsubstantiated, especially when those beliefs are religious. See: Muslim suicide bombers and the Heaven's Gate cult, plus many other examples.

Many will die for something they passionately belief but how many would be willing to die for something they KNEW was a lie?

 

[DogmaHunter]

I wonder why He documented that He did it in six days?

He didn't

 

[DogmaHunter]

You were there?

Were you there when the Hiranyagarbha floated around in emptiness for a while, and then broke into two halves which formed Dyaus (Heaven) and Prithvi (Earth)? (World egg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

 

[Oncedeceived]

Yup. I could totally make that up and write it in a book.

There are outside sources for some of the disciples and early church documentation for many many more. I find it humorous that people have no trouble believing writings from history until it comes to the Bible.

If you were living in the time of Christ and had seen Him speak and understood that He was the awaited Messiah and then witnessed His death completely destroying all the hope you had in Him; would you after His death still claim Him as your Messiah? Would you still die for Him? I don't think so and the fact that so many became Christians after His death and under persecution and death it seems pretty unlikely it was untrue.

After His death His disciples went out stronger than before. If only the few disciples had said they had seen Him do you think all those people that had watched Him crucified and die would believe them that He was still alive? I don't think so. I think it took at least 500 people to spread the word that they had seen Him to family and friends who trusted them to show the truth of what happened.

 

[Oncedeceived]

-_- you act as if there were no resurrection stories before the bible was written. Noah's Ark story is almost complete plagiarism of another, more ancient myth.

Don't mistake similarity as plagiarism. Scholars have long dismissed any plagiarism of the Bible from earlier sources.