If evolution is not valid science, somebody should tell the scientists.

[Dannager]

This is just a test post to see if I can cut and paste the info needed to show Kerr Metric he is wrong again concerning YEC Scietists. If successful I shall psot many more today.

Jay L. Wile, Ph.D. Nuclear Chemistry
He has a B.S. in Chemistry and a Ph.D. in Nuclear Chemistry from the University of Rochester in New York. He was granted three research grants which were given in-part by the National Science Foundation. Dr. Wile was given the Westinghouse Science Talent Search Certificate of Honor for Science Service. He has memberships with the American Chemical Society, the American Physical Society and the American Association for the Advancement of Science

Andrew C. McIntosh, Ph.D. Combustion Theory
He has a D.Sc. in Applied Mathematics from the University of Wales with first class honours, a Ph.D. in the Theory of Combustion from the Cranefield Institute of Technology and a DSc in Mathematics from the University of Wales. Dr. McIntosh is a Reader (second-highest teaching/research rank in U.K. university hierarchy) in Combustion Theory at Leeds University, U.K. He has contributed chapters to 10 textbooks dealing with combustion theory and published over 80 research papers

Don DeYoung, Ph.D. Physics (Adjunct Faculty for ICR)
He has a B.S. and M.S. in Physics from Michigan Technological University and a Ph.D. in Physics from Iowa State University. Dr. DeYoung has published several articles in the areas of solid-state physics and nuclear science in The Journal of Chemistry and Physics of Solids, The Journal of Chemical Physics and several science teaching publications, Science Teacher and Crucible. He is a member of the American Physical Society, the Indiana Academy of Science, and the Association of Physics Teachers. Dr. DeYoung teaches Physics at Grace College in Indiana.

How about posting them to http://www.christianforums.com/t2835074-a-challenge-to-creationists.html?

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

This is just a test post to see if I can cut and paste the info needed to show Kerr Metric he is wrong again concerning YEC Scietists.[]

Jay L. Wile, Ph.D. Nuclear Chemistry[]

Andrew C. McIntosh, Ph.D. Combustion Theory[]

Don DeYoung, Ph.D. Physics (Adjunct Faculty for ICR)Dr. DeYoung has published several articles in the areas of solid-state physics and nuclear science[]

I hate to rain on your parade, but Combustion theory, Nuclear Chemistry, solid-state physics and nuclear science are not related to evolution and at best are only peripherally related to the age of the Earth (i.e. they are related to decay of radioactive elements).

 

[nolidad]

I hate to rain on your parade, but Combustion theory, Nuclear Chemistry, solid-state physics and nuclear science are not related to evolution and at best are only peripherally related to the age of the Earth (i.e. they are related to decay of radioactive elements).

And I hate to dowse the fires of hatred you all have for YEC scientists but please read the top of my post and see I clearly clearly clearly used the words this was a test post to see if I can cut and paste from that particular website. It really is bad taste when you guys switch, swerve and read only portions of a post aso you go off half cocked.

 

[The Lady Kate]

And I hate to dowse the fires of hatred you all have for YEC scientists but please read the top of my post and see I clearly clearly clearly used the words this was a test post to see if I can cut and paste from that particular website. It really is bad taste when you guys switch, swerve and read only portions of a post aso you go off half cocked.

Well then, now that you know you can cut-and-paste, how about some scinetists in relevent fields, their work, and why it's been rejected?

 

[nolidad]

nolidad, look, Gluadys and Random_guy are trying to help you. What you're saying doesn't make any sense. For theological points, what you are arguing is not the view held by the orthodoxy. For scientific points, what you are arguing goes against what those of us in the scientific community have experienced to be the case with regard to journals and such.

There's really no need to berate other people, here.

Well I am not trying ot berate them as they do backhandedly. as for the theological points I care not a whit what orthodioxy says!

Orthodox sects have declared it is biblical to be in a homosexual relationship and to deny the physical resurrection of Jesus is within the mainstream of orthodoxy. I care what Scriptures speak to. Not a consensus. As for Journals that post is coming shortly.

 

[nolidad]

Kerr Metric Writes:

Remember the difference nolidad, you read websites I actually do the work. that alone is a big difference, believe it or not.

Well I am still waiting for you to say where you did your postgraduate education. And what work have you performed that has given empirical evidence for evolution???

Look at the research they do. Their college majors is immaterial though hydraulic engineering and animal husbandry are a joke in this context.

hydrology is vastly important in showing the evidential results of flood catastrophe.

An8imal usbandry is a great toll in disproving evolution (besides actually using science to benefit people in the here and now)

You can either do the work or get off the pot!

So if you do nt worl on evolution you can't criticize it??? Well if you do nt do creation science dont criticize it either


Scholar in training writes:

I don't think so. The question is examined with a method similar to scriptura scripturam interpretar. We look at the other parts of the Gospel in question or other writings by the author to determine why he may have left out some names. In St. Luke's case, we know that a focus of his was universality of the Gospel. That's why his genealogy linked back to Adam.

Well that was my mistake for I was referring to the lists in Genesis up to the dispersion after Babel. as for Jesus geneologies they are complete as far as family lineage goes. Onew from Josephs side and one from MArys.

That site is a little difficult to navigate; do you know the exact URL of the page that discusses the genealogies?

Actually it is a manuscripot to purchase ( a couple of bucks at most) He is a slef supporting ministry and raises hois funds through the sale of his literature and tapes.

Kerr Metric writes:

No they are not researching. Where is the beef?
Nice backhanded segregationist comment. Funny how the real segregationists tended to be fundamentalist/literalist types.

Well by your snobbish criteria; 85% of all research done by scientists is not "research" cause it ain't done inthe right place by the approved heirarchy.

You are so owned in this debate it has ceased to be even amusing. You posted a list I destroyed. You have a few clowns moonlighting on the side or people who just don't do any research. And that is obvious to anyone except someone trying desperately to maintain a facade of credibility.

Patience oh snobby one--your answer is coming though you will reject it for it aint done on the right place .

Is that clear enough for you?

Well as you segragate "proper qualifications" in a way to make any but you rside the king I agree!! But now what top univewrsity are you emplyed at and what research have you published in the proper journals to accrditate your self as you are willing ot condemn these folks?? Or you just another crackpot like you accuse these men and women of ???

But show me one of your "respected" journals or "respected" universities that will fund creation research???? I'll wait but not hold my breath for you to give me an answer. We both know that none of you r"respected" universities or publications would dare post pro YEC science research nor fund it!

Where is the work? Where is it nolidad? As I said before, do it or get off the pot!

Patience Ceaser and you will see oh yee of the superior intellect.

Nice bait and switch. The reason I criticised the ones that work in industry is because their work is totally irrelevant to this debate.
Your problem is that you cannot read a published paper/work experience list and actually understand how the work is or is not relevant.

No what I was psoting is the fact that these men and women are bonafide scientists doing bona fide research. Bu tpatience ye of the superior breed and you will get a list of their research work!

The irony of being accused of goalpost moving by you is hilarious. My position, as others on here will attest, has been very consistent. You provided a list of questionable scientists who either don't do applicable research, don't publish it or just are very strangely silent.

Flattery will get you nowhere!!

Those list were to the original statemetn that YEC folks were not real scientists. You keep adding more and more and more qualifications. I do have many other things to do with my life than to keep up with your ever increasing list of demands oin these peoples work records. But patience my Einstein wannabe the list is coming!! But I tell every one right now yo uwill reject it as "real:" research because it is not done in the "proper" educational facility!

If they did then they are delusional.

Because they don't do any work. How many times do we have to tell you this - literature search + polemic is NOT research. Do you understand the words I am typing?

They don't do any work??? Maybe you should tell all th eir emplyers and get them fired and stopp fleecing people then. Boy you really are afflicted with a sense of self superiority aren't you ??

LOL. Again your lack of understanding is evident. I even told you what the work was on yet somehow you cannot figure the relevance. Go figure redux!

Well smokescreening your qualifications won't work. The question was did you have anything published and your answer was sort of so I followed up with the question did you or didn't you. I repeat the question what original works based on you roriginal research have you published approved works in journals on. Sort of doesn't make muster.

Look, we have all seen the lists with Newton. But that was 400 years ago. I knew (and every freshman physics student at a good university) more physics/mathematics at 14 years of age than Newton ever did and access to far more experimental results that he couldn't even dream off.

Well as I wasn't even thinking about Newton you r answer was an exercise in nothingness.

Notice how most of them, even the engineer types are not at MIT or Imperial College and similar schools but at some much lower tier school. In other words they suck in the obscure fields they actually work in.

You rbigoted snobbery really places you at around a fourth grade level! We know we know Teaching and working and attending other than you rapproved upper crust list of schools makes one less than you but pleasde isn't you r arm sore yet from all that self pattingon the back???

nolidad, show me one department chair of any major/prestigious school who is a crank creation scientist? Just one.

I couldn't cause I don't think any creation scientists weho tach in a college is a crank. But I know you do as well as your kin in talkorigin and the other websites of that ilk.

You are being dishonest. Show me the faculty/department chairs in the sciences pertaining to Creation/Evolution debate at those schools. THAT IS WHAT WAS BEING DEBATED. You claimed that such people were at major schools.

No that was simply a fact stated which you have now made what was teh centerpiece of this debate! I said that these men and woman taught at major colleges (and minor ones as well) and chair departments. YOu made the presumptive leap or demand the presumptive leap that they must chair a department at one of you r" accpeted schools". Once agasin you take a statemetn of mine and expand it far far beyond what I wrote it to. People with reasonable conversational skills who aren't as biased and filled with animosity as you would not make such a presumptive leap.

How did you generate that list and somehow construe I said they were podunk?

Cause you keep berating YEC scientists and their education and their research and where they teach. I thought I would just post the list to show these people are well educated and not the baffoons you keep implying they are. But patience their reseach will be posted and I will narrow down the list to yet another of your demands. But sorry none of them are teaching evolution or reseaching evolution. So I know that autodisqualoifies them with you.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

We both know that none of you r"respected" universities or publications would dare post pro YEC science research nor fund it!


again, all ICR, AIG and all the rest have to do to prove their point that they can not get funding or their papers published is to post their funding proposals and papers to their websites with the rejection notices.

where are all these rejected good creationist papers? what a publicity coup they are missing by not doing this. it would prove to everyone that they are unjustly being kept out of the discussion, that they do world class research and if only they had the audience everyone would be astonished at the value of their theories......

 

[nolidad]

You're making a very significant accusation, here. If, indeed, the researchers were totally ignored, this is a serious issue. Does AiG have the papers online that the researchers submitted to which the conferences never responded? I don't know for certain, but there may be a legal case to be made. Can you provide links?

As I said before I am not the keeper of the manuscripts, butr if you are serious, you can write the various creation orgs and see if they still retain the returned manuscripts.

The number of papers is a one way to measure the amount of research. What's wrong with that assessment? Scientists do research so that they can discover new theories, but it does them no good if no one knows about the research. By publishing their work, it allows other people to criticize it, study it, and build ontop of it. Where are the papers published about Creationism that are in peer reviewed journals (which, appearantly, are owned by evolutionists, who also control the National Academy of Science, Nobel Foundation, every single academic journal including historical journals, and every single accreditted university)?

Now I am asking for a real honest answer. How many papers do you really think will be favourably reviewed by trhe secualr review boards that are creationist in content?? C'mon be honest with the answer!


Gwenfur beofre I forget happey thirty sixth as well! Forgive my lapse of manners. Many many happey more!!! Boy would I like to go and visit my 36th again!!

Well at long last some lists showing where these second tied YEC scientists are teaching (cause I know working outside of academia doesn't count with Kerr as being able to comment on the creation/evolution debate) and a list of but a few research projects going on.

HYPERCANES FOLLOWING THE GENESIS FLOOD -
TEMPERATURE PROFILES FOR AN OPTIMIZED WATER VAPOR CANOPY

THE RELEVANCE OF Rb-Sr, Sm-Nd AND Pb-Pb ISOTOPE SYSTEMATICS TO ELUCIDATION OF THE GENESIS AND HISTORY OF RECENT ANDESITE FLOWS AT MT NGAURUHOE, NEW ZEALAND, AND THE IMPLICATIONS FOR RADIOISOTOPIC DATING


WHOLE-ROCK K-Ar MODEL AND ISOCHRON, AND Rb-Sr, Sm-Nd AND Pb-Pb ISOCHRON, "DATING" OF THE SOMERSET DAM LAYERED MAFIC INTRUSION, AUSTRALIA -

ACCELERATED DECAY: THEORETICAL MODELS

HELIUM DIFFUSION RATES SUPPORT ACCELERATED NUCLEAR DECAY

RADIOISOTOPES IN THE DIABASE SILL (UPPER PRECAMBRIAN) AT BASS RAPIDS, GRAND CANYON, ARIZONA: AN APPLICATION AND TEST OF THE ISOCHRON DATING METHOD

RADIOHALOS — A TALE OF THREE GRANITIC PLUTONS


MEASURABLE 14C IN FOSSILIZED ORGANIC MATERIALS: CONFIRMING THE YOUNG EARTH CREATION-FLOOD MODEL

RADIOISOTOPES AND THE AGE OF THE EARTH

CATASTROPHIC PLATE TECTONICS: THE PHYSICS BEHIND THE GENESIS FLOOD

Complex Life Cycles in Heterophyid Trematodes: Structural and Developmental Design in the Ascocotyle Complex of Species

The Tunguska Explosion of 1908

Earthquakes and the End Times: A Geological and Biblical Perspective

Evidences for Rapid Formation and Failure of Pleistocene "Lava Dams" of the Western Grand Canyon, Arizona

Excess Argon within Mineral Concentrates from the New Dacite Lava Dome at Mount St. Helens Volcano

Discordant Potassium-Argon Isochron "Ages" For Cardenas Basalt (Middle Protozoic) And Associated Diabase Of Eastern Grand Canyon, Arizona

Catastrophic Plate Tectonics: A Global Flood Model of Earth History

Computer Modeling of the Large-scale Tectonics Associated With the Genesis Flood

Runaway Subduction as the Driving Mechanism for the Genesis Flood

Patterns of Ocean Circulation Over the Continents During Noah's Flood

Submarine Flow and Slide Deposits in the Kingston Peak Formation, Kingston Range, Mojave Desert, California: Evidence for Catastrophic Initiation of Noah's Flood

The Cause of Anomalous Potassium-Argon "Ages" For Recent Andesite Flows At Mt Ngauruhoe, New Zealand, And The Implications For Potassium-Argon "Dating" -

U-Th-Pb Dating: An Example of False Isochrons

Regional Metamorphism within A Creationist Framework: What Garnet Compositions Reveal

The Cooling of Thick Igneous Bodies on A Young Earth

Rapid Changes in Oxygen Isotope Content of Ice Cores Caused by Fractionation and Trajectory Dispersion near the Edge of an Ice Shelf

This is just a partial list of ongoing or completed research form just one YEC org. They are doing alot of related research in the ongoing YEC/evo debate., its just it aint done in the proper labs or the proper schools so it is not recognized by the "elite superior intellects."

 

[Scholar in training]

Well that was my mistake for I was referring to the lists in Genesis up to the dispersion after Babel. as for Jesus geneologies they are complete as far as family lineage goes. Onew from Josephs side and one from MArys.

I was referring to Jesus' genealogies as an example. There are other truncated genealogies in the Bible. However, I think it is quite clear that Jesus' genealogies are not "complete" in the sense that they list every ancestor in Joseph's and Mary's line.

Actually it is a manuscripot to purchase ( a couple of bucks at most) He is a slef supporting ministry and raises hois funds through the sale of his literature and tapes.

Sorry, but I'm not going to buy a manuscript to a question I already know the answer to.

 

[Willtor]

As I said before I am not the keeper of the manuscripts, butr if you are serious, you can write the various creation orgs and see if they still retain the returned manuscripts.

Now I am asking for a real honest answer. How many papers do you really think will be favourably reviewed by trhe secualr review boards that are creationist in content?? C'mon be honest with the answer!

. . .

I really, honestly don't know how many papers would be favorably reviewed. But you have asserted that they used to submit and were rejected. If you truly understand how important this peer-review process is, you will cite the rejected papers and letters. The only reason I don't think they exist is because they would be the single greatest asset AiG has in making its case to the scientific and Christian communities. These papers, coupled with the biased rejection letters would be all the support you'd need of an anti-creation conspiracy. It wouldn't single-handedly legitimize creationism, but it would be a significant step.

 

[nolidad]

Now for revelant scientists.

ICR)
He has a B.S. from Rice University with honors in Civil Engineering and M.S. and Ph.D. degrees from the University of Minnesota. Dr. Morris majored in engineering hydraulics/hydrology while minoring in Geology and Mathematics. He has served on the faculties of Rice University, the University of Minnesota, the University of Southwestern Louisiana, and Southern Illinois University. From 1957 to 1970 he was Head of the Department of Civil Engineering at the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (Virginia Tech). While at Virginia Tech, Dr. Morris was able to get approval for Ph.D. programs in Civil Engineering and Hydraulics. Dr. Morris authored Applied Hydraulics in Engineering, which has been used by over 100 colleges and universities at one time or another. It is still used today as a reference and even the main text in some university classes. As of 1993 and 30 years after the first edition was printed, there was no comparable textbook available

Hydrology is animportant field study iin flood catastrophism - or why Noahs flood left emprical evidence onthe face of the earth!

Steven Austin, Ph.D. Geology (ICR)
He has the B.S. from the University of Washington, M.S. from San Jose State University and Ph.D. from the Pennsylvania State University, all in geology. His professional memberships include the Geological Society of America, the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, the Society for Sedimentary Geology, the International Association of Sedimentologists. He has had professional, peer-reviewed projects at Mt. St. Helens and within the Grand Canyon. Current research is being conducted on mass kill of nautiloids within the Redwall limestone of the Grand Canyon, radioisotopes of Grand Canyon rocks, and earthquake destruction of archaeological sites in the Kingdom of Jordan. In 1999, Dr. Austin published research in the prestigious, peer-reviewed journal International Geology Review.

Don't know but looks like a reseacher to me in the debate fields.

David Phillips, M.A. Paleoanthropology
He has a B.A. in Physical Anthropology with minors in Biology and Geology from the California State University of Northridge (CSUN) and a M.A. in Paleoanthropology with highest honors from CSUN as well. Professor Phillipps is pursuing his Ph.D. in Paleontology. He is professor of physical sciences at the Masters College and works at the Paleontology lab for the La Brea Tar Pits.

Danny Faulkner, Ph.D. Astronomy (Adjunct Faculty for ICR)
He has a B.S. in Math from Bob Jones University, an M.S. in Physics from Clemson University and a M.A. and Ph.D. in Astronomy from Indiana University. Dr. Faulkner has been Professor of Astronomy and Physics at the University of South Carolina, Lancaster since 1986. His research interests include stellar astronomy, especially binary stars. He has been published in the Astrophysical Journal, Publications of the Astronomical Society of the Pacific and the Information Bulletin on Variable Stars.

Kurt P. Wise, Ph.D. Geology (Paleontology)
He has a B.A. in Geophysical Sciences (majored in Geology while close to a second major in Biology) from the University of Chicago, and a M.A. and Ph.D. in Geology (Paleontology) from Harvard University where Stephen J. Gould was his principal advisor. Dr. Wise has published in the Journal of Paleobiology, received the Certificate of Distinction in Teaching two years in a row from the Harvard-Danforth Center for Teaching and Learning, Harvard University, and is a member of the National Center for Science Education and the Paleontological Society. He also taught Paleontology and Biosystematics at the Institute for Creation Research Graduate School and has assisted ICR in previous tours to Mt. St. Helens, the Grand Canyon, and Yellowstone. Dr. Wise is currently Director of Origins Research and Associate Professor of Science, Division of Mathematics and Natural Science, Bryan College, Dayton, TN.

David P. Livingston, Jr., Ph.D. Archaeology and Ancient History
He has a B.A. in General Science from Wheaton College, a M.A. with honors in Old Testament Studies from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School and a Ph.D. in Archaeology and Ancient History from Andrews University. He also studied Archaeology and Hebrew for one year at the Institute for Holy Land Studies in Jerusalem and two years of graduate studies in Ancient History at Dropsie University in Philadelphia. Dr. Livingston has directed fifteen seasons of excavations in Khirbet Nisya, which is 11 miles north of Jerusalem. He has also participated in excavations in Jerusalem, Jericho, Jezreel, Bourgata and Gezer.

Keith H. Wanser, Ph.D. Condensed Matter Physics
He has a B.A. in Physics from California State University, Fullerton, a M.A. in Physics, and a Ph.D. in Condensed Matter Physics both from the University of California, Irvine. Dr. Wanser is currently professor of Physics at California State University, Fullerton. He has received seven patents and over 1 million dollars in grant and contract awards. Before beginning his teaching career, Dr. Wanser worked for McDonnell Douglas Astronautics as a senior scientist and the Optical Sciences Division, Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC. He received the School of NSM 1996 oustanding research award.

Robert Hermann, Ph.D. Mathematics
He has a B.A.(with honors) in Mathematics with a minor in Physics from John Hopkins University, a M.A. and a Ph.D. in Mathematics from American University. He is current professor of Mathematics at the U.S. Naval Academy and has taught Mathematics for almost 40 years now. Dr. Hermann has published 62 articles in 28 different refereed journals from 13 countries and has written 5 books. He has presented 31 papers at meetings of scholarly societies and published 45 abstracts. He has presented over 2,000 scientific disclosures. His efforts have been directed towards popularizing nonstandard analysis.

Otto E. Berg, B.A. Physics/Chemistry
He has a B.A. in Physics and Chemistry from Concordia College, Moorhead, Minnesota. He was on the research staff and also a consultant for three years to the NASA Goddard Space Center at the University of Maryland. He has also been a consultant since 1991 to the NASA Goddard Space Center at the Calvert Institute, Maryland for nucleation and growth processes related to the formation of presolar grains and planets. Mr. Berg is also a retired member for the NASA Meteoroid Environment Panel and the International Committee on Space Research, Meteoroid Panel. He received an Honorary Doctorate-Honoris Causa in 1994 for major contributions in space research and received the 1977 NASA Exceptional Achievement Medal (only two conferred in 1977).

Malcolm A. Cutchins, Ph.D. Engineering Mechanics (Technical Advisory Board)
He has a B.S. in Civil Engineering (Structures) from Virginia Tech and a M.S. and Ph.D. in Engineering Mechanics from Virginia Tech. Dr. Cutchins is Professor Emeritus of Aerospace Engineering at Auburn University where he taught for over 33 years. He received the Birdsong Merit Teaching Award in 1997, the Outstanding Faculty Award(college-wide), College of Engineering twice in 1967 and 1976, the Outstanding Faculty Award, AE Department in 1981, the Engineer of the Year Award, ASPE in 1985, and the IR-100 Award in 1976. Dr. Cutchins is well-published and has performed research for NSF, the USAF, and NASA.

Ron Samec, Ph.D. Physics
He has a B.A. in Astronomy and a M.A. in Science Education, Physics concentration from the University of South Florida and a Ph.D. in Physics from Clemson University. Dr. Samec has taught physics and astronomy at Butler, Millkan, and Bob Jones Universities. He currently teaches at Bob Jones University. He is a member of the American Physical Society (APS), the American Association of Physics Teachers (AAPT), the American Astronomical Society (AAS), Full Member, the Astronomical Society of the Pacific (ASP), and the International Astronomical Union (IAU) among others. Dr. Samec has published over 100 papers.

Edward A. Boudreaux, Ph.D. Chemistry
He received a B.S. in Chemistry from Loyola University, a M.S. in Chemistry, and a Ph.D. in Chemistry both from Tulane University. Dr. Boudreaux has published 30 papers in peer-reviewed journals, made 18 contributions to chapters in scientific books and review articles, was author and/or co-author of 4 technical books, presented over 54 scientific research presentations at national and international conferences and symposia, and presented over 30 invited scientific lectures at national and international institutions. He is a member or has been a member of Sigma Xi, the Chemical Society of London, International Society of Quantum Biology, Southeastern Theoretical Chemistry Association, Louisiana Academy of Sciences, and the American Chemical Society(Board Member, Louisiana Section). Dr. Boudreaux has spent 29 years in graduate education and research at the University of New Orleans. He is Professor Emeritus of Chemistry.

David R. McQueen, M.S. Geology
He received a B.A. in Geology from the University of Tennessee, a M.S. in Geology from the University of Michigan, and an Ed.S. in Curriculum and Instruction(Science Education) and a EPA Graduate Fellow in Toxicology from Northeast Louisiana University. He has 31 years experience as a teacher and scientist, having completed graduate work during this time in three academic areas: geology, science education, and environmental toxicology. The universities he has taught at include George Mason, Virginia State, Easte Tennessee State, and National University. He has been a Regulatory Hydrogeologist with the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality since 1989. He received a U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Graduate Fellowship in Toxicology from 1991-93, a U.S. Geological Survey "Unit Cash Award" for a mineral resources map, and received a National Science Foundation Graduate Fellowship in Geology from 1975-77.

Duane Gish, Ph.D. Biochemistry (ICR)
He has a B.S. in Chemistry from UCLA and a Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the University of California (Berkeley). He spent a total of 18 years in biochemical research; with Cornell University Medical College (NYC), with the Virus Laboratory, U of Cal-Berkley and and on the research staff of the Upjohn Pharmaceutical Company (Michigan). He has published approximately 40 articles in scientific journals.

 

[nolidad]

To keep under the 15 K limit for posts I had to break upi the teachers and reseachers so here are some more:

Ken Cumming, Ph.D. Biology (ICR)
He has a B.S. in Biology/Chemistry with honors from Tufts University, a Masters in Biology from Harvard, and the Ph.D. in Biology with a major in Ecology and a minor in Biochemistry from Harvard University. He has been on the faculties at the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (Virginia Tech), the University of Wisconsin at La Crosse, and Western Wisconsin Technological Institute at La Crosse. During this time, he supervised five doctoral dissertations and about twenty-five master's theses on a wide range of biological topics. He spent nineteen years with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. Dr. Cumming is presently preparing a video which he made on a recent visit to the Galapagos Islands which discusses the diversity of species in relation to the traditional interpretation of speciation.

Patricia Lynnea Gathman Nason, Ph.D. (ICR)
Curriculum and Instruction; Science and Interdisciplinary
Patti Nason is Chairman of the Department of Science Education for the Institute for Creation Research Graduate School. She has taught courses during the summer at ICR since 1999 and joined the faculty full time January, 2004. She is presently developing on-line courses so that science teachers can receive their M.S. in Science Education via Learning.

Frank Sherwin, M.A. Zoology (Parasitology) (ICR)
He has a B.A. in Biology from Western State College in Colorado and an M.A. in Zoology from the University of Northern Colorado. Frank's specialty is parasitology. He discovered a new species of parasite, a nematode of the family Acuariidae. He published his research in the peer-reviewed Journal of Parasitology with the late Dr. G.D. Schmidt. Before coming to work for ICR, Frank taught Human Physiology & Anatomy, Medical Microbiology, Parasitology, General Biology I & II and Cell Biology for 9 years at Pensacola Christian College. He is a member of the American Society of Parasitologists and the Helminthological Society of Washington

Todd C. Wood, Ph.D. Biochemistry/Genomics
He has a B.S. in Biology (highest honors) from Liberty University, a Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the University of Virginia, and a Post-Doctoral Research Fellowship in Genomics from Clemson University. He served as Research Assistant Professor and Director of Bioinformatics from the year 1999 to 2000 and Adjunct Professor, Departments of Crop & Soil Sciences and Genetics from the year 2000 to 2001 at the Clemson University Genomics Institute. Dr. Wood is currently Adjunct Professor of Natural Sciences at Bryan College, Tennessee. He has published articles in secular journals like The American Journal of Human Genetics, Science, Theoretical and Applied Genetics, and Genome Research on biochemistry, genetics, and genomics. Dr. Wood is also a member of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, Society for Molecular Biology and Evolution, and the Society for Systematic Biology. He is also on the National Science Foundation adivsory committee for research project "Genomics of Polyploids," 2001-05.

Robert Franks, M.D. (Adjunct Faculty/Board Member)
He has a B.A. in Zoology (Magna Cum Laude) from San Diego State University, and a M.D. from UCLA. Dr. Franks has practiced medicine (general practice) for over forty years in San Diego. He currently teaches Introduction to Clinical Medicine at UCSD. He teaches Human Anatomy and Pathology here at the ICR graduate school. Dr. Franks has published research on Scalene Node Biopsy and Pulmonary Embolism.

Gary Parker, Ed.D. Biology (Adjunct Faculty for ICR)
He has a B.A. in Biology/Chemistry(high honors) from Wabash College, Crawfordville, IN, a M.S. in Biology/Physiology, and an Ed.D. in Biology with a cognate in Paleontology from Ball State University. Dr. Parker earned several academic awards, including admission to Phi Beta Kappa (the national scholastic honorary), election to the American Society of Zoologists (for his research on tadpoles), and a fifteen-month fellowship award from the National Science Foundation. He also wrote five secular books including: The Structure and Function of the Cell, DNA: The Key to Life, Mitosis and Meiosis, Heredity, and Life's Basis: Biomolecules. Dr. Parker's masters thesis concerning amphibian endocrinology was published in Copeia and a summary of his doctoral dissertation on programmed instruction was published in the Journal of College Science Teaching. He has taught biology at Eastern Baptist College, Dordt College, Clearwater Christian College, Christian Heritage College, and ICR's Graduate School.



David Menton, Ph.D. Cell Biology (Technical Advisory Board)
He has a B.A. in Biology from Mankato State University and a Ph.D. in Cell Biology from Brown University. Dr. Menton is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy at Washington U. School of Medicine. He was Associate Professor of Anatomy for over 30 years. He received the "Distinguished Service Teaching Award" in 1991, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, named "Teacher of the Year" 1979 and was elected "Professor of the Year" in 1998 by the Class of 2000. He has also been Profiled in 'American Men and Women of Science - A Biographical Directory of Today's Leaders in Physical, Biological and Related Sciences' for almost two decades.

Ian G. Macreadie, Ph.D. Molecular Biology
He received a B.Sc.(Hons.) and a Ph.D. from Monash University in Australia. His fields were genetics, biochemistry and molecular biology. He completed his Post Doc training at Southwestern Medical School, Dallas, Texas. Dr. Macreadie is a Principal Research Scientist of CSIRO Health Sciences and Nutrition and an Adjunct Professor of RMIT University. He has played key roles in identifying the structure and function of several mitochondrial genes. After joining Bimolecular Research Institute of Australia?s Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO), he developed a novel yeast expression system that led to the production of an IBDV vaccine. He used yeast systems to produce biologically relevant proteins of human AIDS and major infectious cellular pathogens such as malaria and P. carini. These systems are being used to rapidly screen for new classes of drugs. Major links have been established with key international groups with similar objectives. He is author of over 70 research publications and five patents. His awards include a 1990 Fulbright Senior Scholar Award, 1996 Frank Fenner Research Award. Dr. Macreadie was also a co-recipient of the 1997 CSIRO Chairman's Medal for their outstanding contributions to our knowledge of the structure and biology of the Birnaviridae family of double-stranded RNA viruses, leading to the development of a prototype recombinant vaccine against infectious bursal disease of poultry. He was also Honorary Secretary of the Australian Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology from 1997-2000.

Walter J. Veith, Ph.D. Zoology
He has a B.Sc. from the University of Stellenbosch with major subjects Zoology and Chemistry, a B.Sc.and M.Sc. in Zoology from the University of Stellenbosch and a Ph.D. in Zoology from the University of Cape Town. Dr. Veith is currently professor and chair of the Zoology Department, University of the Western Cape. He has been teaching at the under and post-graduate level for over 28 years.

John R. Meyer, Ph.D. Zoology (Technical Advisory Board)
He has a B.A. in Biology/Chemistry from Kearney State College and a Ph.D. in Zoology from the University of Iowa, and a Post-Doctoral Fellowship from the University of Colorado. Dr. Meyer previously taught physiology and biophysics at Louisville University. He is current director of the CRS Van Andel Creation Research Center.



Gregory J. Brewer, Ph.D. Biology
He has a B.S. in Biology from the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA. and a Ph.D. in Biology from the University of California San Diego (UCSD). He did postdoctoral work at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology on membrane-mediated macro-regulatory effects of colicin K on E. coli under nobel laureate, Professor Salvador E. Luria. Dr. Brewer is current Professor of Neurology and Medical Microbiology at Southern Illinois University. He has published over 60 papers in refereed journals, over 70 presentations and abstracts at professional meetings, and is currently an ad hoc reviewer for the National Science Foundation.

Roger W. Sanders, Ph.D. Botany
He has a B. A. in Biology from the College of the Ozarks, Point Lookout, MO., a M.S. in Botany from the University of Michigan, and a Ph.D. in Botany (Systematics), University of Texas, Austin. He did postdoctoral work at the Ohio State University, Department of Botany, with Dr. T. F. Stuessy. His research included the biogeography of the Juan Fernández Islands and adaptive radiation of the rosette tree Compositae. The supposed evolution of these unique plants was interpreted from data based on field work, morphology, ecological sampling and multivariate ordination, and cladistics. As well, a more inclusive study of the total flora involved chromosome counts and an alleged uniformitarian scenario of the geologic and climatic history of the islands. Dr. Sanders has been published in many journals including Science. Although Dr. Sanders held a uniformitarian view for most of his career spanning over twenty years, he accepted the creationist position in 1999 and now serves as the editor of the Occasional Papers of the Baraminology Study Group. Currently, he is an independent botanical consultant and associate collections manager in an herbarium in Texas.

Arthur J. Jones, Ph.D. Biology
He has a B.Sc.(Hons) in Biology from the University of Birmingham, a M.Ed. in Education from Bristol University, and a Ph.D. in Biology(Developmental Biology, Fish Systematics, History and Philosophy of Biology) from the University of Birmingham, UK. His thesis was Developmental Studies and Speciation in Cichlid Fish, Department of Zoology and Comparative Physiology. Part of Dr. Jones' thesis research was published in the Journal of Morphology. His teaching career has spanned almost thirty years. His science and religion courses have won two Templeton Foundation awards. Dr. Jones is a Chartered Biologist and has been a member of the Institute of Biology, London, since 1976.


In Memory of Richard D. Lumsden, Ph.D. Biology (Former Chair of ICR's Grad School Biology Dept. 1990-1996 - Went Home to be with the Lord 1997)
He had a B.S. and M.S. in Zoology from Tulane University, a traineeship in Cell Biology at Harvard (non-degree), a Ph.D. in Biology from Rice University, and a Post-Doctoral Research Fellowship in Medical Pathology from the Tulane University School of Medicine. Dr. Lumsden was former Professor of Parasitology and Cell Biology and Dean of the Tulane University Graduate School. He received over 21 Research Grants and Contracts from such organizations at the National Institutes of Health, The National Science Foundation, and the FDA. He published some 90 peer-reviewed papers, mostly in parasitological journals often describing new species, and presented over 100 program abstracts. An issue of the Journal of Parasitology [87(3), June 2001], featured a study by a group of workers at UCLA on human brain tapeworm parasites (pages 510-521), and it references work by Dr. Lumsden done over 21 years ago on electron microscopy of the tapeworm. He won the Henry Baldwin Ward medal, the highest award in parasitology. Dr. Lumsden was a member of the American Society of Parasitologists, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the American Society of Zoologists, the Society for Cell Biology, the Helminthological Society of Washington, and the New York Academy of Sciences.

George F. Howe, Ph.D. Botany
He has a B.S. in Botany from Wheaton College, and the M.Sc., and Ph.D. in Botany from Ohio State University. His thesis research covered several facets of photosynthesis. He completed Post-Doctoral studies in Radiation Biology at Cornell University. He completed Post-Doctoral studies in Botany at Washington State University which was sponsored by the Botanical Society of America and the National Science Foundation. He also completed Post-Doctoral studies in Desert Biology at Arizona State University which was sponsored by the National Science Foundation. Dr. Howe was an instructor of Botany and a Charles F. Keterring Fellow at Ohio State University. He has had papers published in the Bulletin of the Southern California Academy of Sciences and the Ohio Journal of Science among others covering topics like photosynthesis, chaparral regrowth after fire, pollination of the camphor weed, ring muhley grass, and lichens. Dr. Howe was previously a member of the Society of the Sigma Xi, the Southern California Academy of Sciences, and the Southern California Botanists. He was also listed in American Men and Women of Science.

Jonathan B. Scripture, Ph.D. Biochemistry
He has a B.A. in Zoology from the University of California, Berkley and a Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the University of Notre Dame. Dr. Scripture's research at Notre Dame included structure/function studies on ribosomal RNA using chemical and mutational analyses. He spent five years at Case Western Reserve Medical School where he did comparative protein and DNA analysis of carbohyrdrate binding proteins in bacteria. His research has been published in the Journal of Biological Chemistry and the Journal of Molecular Biology.

now if you wish to learn more about these and other individuals and their published papers and contributions to textbooks as well as the rest of theire vitae:

click this link:
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=research&action=index&page=research_biosci

or:

http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=research&action=index&page=research_physci

go to an individual and click onthe learn more hlink.

Now I hope these and the links to research in the debate fields will answer all but thew most biased critics out there (Kerr Metric) that these folks are legitimate scientists doing legitimate research in related topics as well as many others that directly benefit man and animals and plants.

 

[nolidad]

I was referring to Jesus' genealogies as an example. There are other truncated genealogies in the Bible. However, I think it is quite clear that Jesus' genealogies are not "complete" in the sense that they list every ancestor in Joseph's and Mary's line.


Sorry, but I'm not going to buy a manuscript to a question I already know the answer to.

Well the complete family tree of course not, but the direct parental lineage-- yes. the theories calling htem incomplete are very circumstantial and ethereal of their facts.

Too bad you wont buy the manuscipt, it is inexpensive and a greatr read by an expert Jewish historian.

 

[nolidad]

Before I forget:

I asked quite a few pages ago from someone (I think the lady kate or gluadys) to post me ten proven beneficial mutations that were conclusively shown to be true mutations and not preexistent variation in the genome of the species.

Immunities do not count for nearly all sentient creatures have some sort of immuno fighting system that allows it to develop resistence to attacks on its life.

 

[random_guy]

Before I forget:

I asked quite a few pages ago from someone (I think the lady kate or gluadys) to post me ten proven beneficial mutations that were conclusively shown to be true mutations and not preexistent variation in the genome of the species.

Immunities do not count for nearly all sentient creatures have some sort of immuno fighting system that allows it to develop resistence to attacks on its life.

Why don't they count? You are aware that the immunity system requires mutations in order to confer immune response against a variety of different pathogens(look up MHC alleles). Also, from you post, what do you mean by sentient? The immune response requires no thinking, it boils down to chemistry.

 

[random_guy]

As I said before I am not the keeper of the manuscripts, butr if you are serious, you can write the various creation orgs and see if they still retain the returned manuscripts.

But you're the one claiming that a bias exists and Creationists do creatae real research in Creationism, and that the only reason why it isn't published is because evolutionists control every single branch of science, every single scientific organization, and every single University.

Now I am asking for a real honest answer. How many papers do you really think will be favourably reviewed by trhe secualr review boards that are creationist in content?? C'mon be honest with the answer!

As long as a paper follows the scientific method, it will get reviewed and it will get a letter of acceptance or rejection. That's my honest opinion. So if these "scientists" are doing real Creationist research, why is it that Creationist organizations can't produce the rejection letters?

Well at long last some lists showing where these second tied YEC scientists are teaching (cause I know working outside of academia doesn't count with Kerr as being able to comment on the creation/evolution debate) and a list of but a few research projects going on.

HYPERCANES FOLLOWING THE GENESIS FLOOD -
TEMPERATURE PROFILES FOR AN OPTIMIZED WATER VAPOR CANOPY

THE RELEVANCE OF Rb-Sr, Sm-Nd AND Pb-Pb ISOTOPE SYSTEMATICS TO ELUCIDATION OF THE GENESIS AND HISTORY OF RECENT ANDESITE FLOWS AT MT NGAURUHOE, NEW ZEALAND, AND THE IMPLICATIONS FOR RADIOISOTOPIC DATING


WHOLE-ROCK K-Ar MODEL AND ISOCHRON, AND Rb-Sr, Sm-Nd AND Pb-Pb ISOCHRON, "DATING" OF THE SOMERSET DAM LAYERED MAFIC INTRUSION, AUSTRALIA -

ACCELERATED DECAY: THEORETICAL MODELS

HELIUM DIFFUSION RATES SUPPORT ACCELERATED NUCLEAR DECAY

RADIOISOTOPES IN THE DIABASE SILL (UPPER PRECAMBRIAN) AT BASS RAPIDS, GRAND CANYON, ARIZONA: AN APPLICATION AND TEST OF THE ISOCHRON DATING METHOD

RADIOHALOS — A TALE OF THREE GRANITIC PLUTONS


MEASURABLE 14C IN FOSSILIZED ORGANIC MATERIALS: CONFIRMING THE YOUNG EARTH CREATION-FLOOD MODEL

RADIOISOTOPES AND THE AGE OF THE EARTH

CATASTROPHIC PLATE TECTONICS: THE PHYSICS BEHIND THE GENESIS FLOOD

Complex Life Cycles in Heterophyid Trematodes: Structural and Developmental Design in the Ascocotyle Complex of Species

The Tunguska Explosion of 1908

Earthquakes and the End Times: A Geological and Biblical Perspective

Evidences for Rapid Formation and Failure of Pleistocene "Lava Dams" of the Western Grand Canyon, Arizona

Excess Argon within Mineral Concentrates from the New Dacite Lava Dome at Mount St. Helens Volcano

Discordant Potassium-Argon Isochron "Ages" For Cardenas Basalt (Middle Protozoic) And Associated Diabase Of Eastern Grand Canyon, Arizona

Catastrophic Plate Tectonics: A Global Flood Model of Earth History

Computer Modeling of the Large-scale Tectonics Associated With the Genesis Flood

Runaway Subduction as the Driving Mechanism for the Genesis Flood

Patterns of Ocean Circulation Over the Continents During Noah's Flood

Submarine Flow and Slide Deposits in the Kingston Peak Formation, Kingston Range, Mojave Desert, California: Evidence for Catastrophic Initiation of Noah's Flood

The Cause of Anomalous Potassium-Argon "Ages" For Recent Andesite Flows At Mt Ngauruhoe, New Zealand, And The Implications For Potassium-Argon "Dating" -

U-Th-Pb Dating: An Example of False Isochrons

Regional Metamorphism within A Creationist Framework: What Garnet Compositions Reveal

The Cooling of Thick Igneous Bodies on A Young Earth

Rapid Changes in Oxygen Isotope Content of Ice Cores Caused by Fractionation and Trajectory Dispersion near the Edge of an Ice Shelf

This is just a partial list of ongoing or completed research form just one YEC org. They are doing alot of related research in the ongoing YEC/evo debate., its just it aint done in the proper labs or the proper schools so it is not recognized by the "elite superior intellects."

If these are real research projects, why not submit them to peer reviewed journals to see if a bias does exist? It's such a simple task to mail out to a journal.

 

[gluadys]

Before I forget:

I asked quite a few pages ago from someone (I think the lady kate or gluadys) to post me ten proven beneficial mutations that were conclusively shown to be true mutations and not preexistent variation in the genome of the species.

Nonsensical question. Pre-existent variation in the genome is a consequence of mutations occurring in earlier generations which have been inherited. They may or may not have been beneficial when they occurred, but became beneficial due to a change in environmental selection pressure.

The reason an insect already has resistance to a new insecticide is because a mutation that conferred resistance occurred in one of its ancestors and was passed on as an inherited feature of its genome.

So pre-existent variation cannot be contrasted to "true mutations" since it is simply a mutation which occurred in an earlier generation.

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

Immunities do not count for nearly all sentient creatures have some sort of immuno fighting system that allows it to develop resistence to attacks on its life.

Why do you mention "sentient"?

What does this have to do with whether or not a beneficial mutation has occurred?

Do you think the imune system purposefully mutates its genes to meet new threats?

Define "proven".

If a corpse has a hole characteristic of a bullet going through their body, with no other wounds or illnesses, is that proof that they were killed by a bullet?

Biologists see mutations of various types occuring in the lab that leave fairly distictive "signatures".

If a geographically limited subset of a population has a genetic sequence that is unseen elsewhere but which can be obtained via a known mutation of a common genetic sequence that exists in the same place in the genome, is that "proof" enough for you?

For that matter you might want to define "beneficial", is the mutation responsible for sickle cell anemia beneficial?

I have not read this thread thoroughly so the following may already have been covered ...

To answer your question in a general sort of way, any trait that is determined by a single gene has
(total positive expressions - 4) positive expressions due to mutations.
(where I'm using "expressions" somewhat loosely)
My thanks to gluadys for pointing this out in another thread.

To take it another step if there are n genes affecting the trait then at most there were (2n)squared "values" for that trait when Adam and Eve were created.

 

[TexasSky]

The following are respected scientists who are highly respected in their various fields who are either not considered "creation scientists" or who became creation scientists because of their studies lead them to doubt evolution and to believe more in the biblical accounts. The names of those who are known as creation scientists are noted as such.

"The theory of evolution suffers from grave defects, which are more and more apparent as time advances. It can no longer square with practical scientific knowledge."—Dr. Albert Fleishmann, Zoologist at Erlangen University. (Flieshmann is not a creationist. He does believe in a "Young Earth".)

"From the almost total absence of fossil evidence relative to the origin of the phyla, it follows that any explanation of the mechanism in the creative evolution of the fundamental structural plans is heavily burdened with hypothesis. This should appear as an epigraph to every book on evolution. The lack of direct evidence leads to the formulation of pure conjecture as to the genesis of the phyla; we do not even have a basis to determine the extent to which these opinions are correct."—Dr. Pierre-Paul de Grasse, Evolution of Living Organisms (1977), p. 31. (French Biologist)

"Some contemporary biologists, as soon as they observe a mutation, talk about evolution. They are implicitly supporting the following syllogism: mutations are the only evolutionary variations, all living beings undergo mutations, therefore all living beings evolve. This logical scheme is, however, unacceptable: first, because its major premise is neither obvious nor general; second, because its conclusion does not agree with the facts. No matter how numerous they may be, mutations do not produce any kind of evolution." Dr. Pierre-Paul de Grasse, Evolution of Living Organisms
(p.88)

"How does the Darwinian mutational interpretation of evolution account for the fact that the species that have been the most stable -- some of them for the last hundreds of millions of years -- have mutated as much as the others do? Once one has moticed microvariations (on the one hand) and specific stability (on the other), it seems very difficult to conclude that the former (microvariation) comes into play in the evolutionary process (p.88) - Pierre-Paul de Grasse , Evolution of Living Organisms

"The creation account in Genesis and the theory of evolution could not be reconciled. One must be right and the other wrong. The story of the fossils agreed with the account of Genesis. In the oldest rocks we did not find a series of fossils covering the gradual changes from the most primitive creatures to developed forms, but rather in the oldest rocks developed species suddenly appeared. Between every species there was a complete absence of intermediate fossils."—D.B. Gower, "Scientist Rejects Evolution," Kentish Times, England, December 11, 1975, p. 4 [biochemist]. (Dr. Gower is a Professor Emeritus in steroid biochemistry at the University of London, United Kingdom, He holds a B.S. in chemistry from the University of London, a Ph.D. in biochemistry from the University of London and was awarded a D.Sc. from the University of London for his research into the biochemical mechanisms for the control of steroid hormone formation. Professor Gower is a fellow of the Royal Society of Chemistry, a fellow of the Institute of Biology and a chartered chemist. He is NOW a creationist. He became one after obtaining his PH.D. in Chemistry. [/I]

" `The theory of evolution is totally inadequate to explain the origin and manifestation of the inorganic world.' "—Sir John Ambrose Fleming, F.R.S., quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1966), p. 91 [discoverer of the thermionic valve]. (Fleming invented the thermionic value or the Fleming valve. He is an electrical engineer and a Physicist. He made significant contributions to radars, and to wireless communications.)

"I think, however, that we must go further than this and admit that the only acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as indeed it is to me, but we must not reject a theory that we do not like if the experimental evidence supports it."—H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physics Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138. (Dr. Lipson is a professor at Cornell University. He describes his work this way. My research focuses on new methods for autonomous adaptation in behavior and morphology of robotic systems, with broader impacts to design automation and manufacturing technologies. My work uses primarily biologically-inspired approaches, as they bring new ideas to engineering and new engineering insights into biology.

"The hold of the evolutionary paradigm [theoretical system] is so powerful that an idea which is more like a principle of medieval astrology than a serious twentieth century scientific theory has become a reality for evolutionary biologists."—Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 306 [Australian molecular biologist]. (Dr Michael Denton, M.D., Ph.D. is a molecular biologist at the University of Otago, New Zealand. He is not a biblical creationist. His books, however, have been used by many creationists to justify intelligent design, and as a result, Denton is the target of numerous attempts to discredit him by Evolution Theoryists.)

"Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless."—Bounoure, Le Monde Et La Vie (October 1963) [Director of Research at the National center of Scientific Research in France].

"In fact, evolution became in a sense a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to `bend' their observations to fit in with it."—H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physics Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138.

"It is therefore of immediate concern to both biologists and layman that Darwinism is under attack. The theory of life that undermined nineteenth-century religion has virtually become a religion itself and, in its turn, is being threatened by fresh ideas. The attacks are certainly not limited to those of the creationists and religious fundamentalists who deny Darwinism for political and moral reason. The main thrust of the criticism comes from within science itself. The doubts about Darwinism represent a political revolt from within rather than a siege from without."—B. Leith, The Descent of Darwin: A Handbook of Doubts about Darwinism (1982), p. 11.

"Just as pre-Darwinian biology was carried out by people whose faith was in the Creator and His plan, post-Darwinian biology is being carried out by people whose faith is in, almost, the deity of Darwin. They've seen their task as to elaborate his theory and to fill the gaps in it, to fill the trunk and twigs of the tree. But it seems to me that the theoretical framework has very little impact on the actual progress of the work in biological research. In a way some aspects of Darwinism and of neo-Darwinism seem to me to have held back the progress of science."—Colin Patterson, The Listener [senior paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, London].

"I feel that the effect of hypotheses of common ancestry in systematics has not been merely boring, not just a lack of knowledge; I think it has been positively anti-knowledge . . Well, what about evolution? It certainly has the function of knowledge, but does it convey any? Well, we are back to the question I have been putting to people, `Is there one thing you can tell me about?' The absence of answers seems to suggest that it is true, evolution does not convey any knowledge."—Colin Patterson, Director AMNH, Address at the American Museum of Natural History (November 5, 1981).

 

[random_guy]

The following are respected scientists who are highly respected in their various fields who are either not considered "creation scientists" or who became creation scientists because of their studies lead them to doubt evolution and to believe more in the biblical accounts. The names of those who are known as creation scientists are noted as such.

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Instead of a bunch of quotes, why don't you cite evidence. You are aware the science works through evidence, not authority. If Steven Hawkings said, "Special Relativity is wrong," scientists would not pay any attention unless he backs it up.

EDIT: Also, Colin Patterson accepts evolution. He wrote a book on Evolution in 1999. Here's a description:

Introducing the latest ideas on how life originated and diversified on earth, this new edition of a classic work provides a concise and engaging summary of modern evolutionary theory. The heavily illustrated book is intended for readers with little or no formal training in science and is an ideal introduction for students. Teachers of biology will also find the book a valuable reference text. Among the features of the second edition: new chapters on neural evolution and gene evolution explanations of the latest theories on the evolution of humans extensive updates throughout, with emphasis on molecular evolution many new or updated illustrations comprehensive coverage, clear and concise presentation --This text refers to the Paperback edition.

In order to be honest, I suggest you remove the Colin Patterson's quotes about evolution. A lot of what he said was taken out of context or misquoted by Creationists. You can find out more here.