If Calvinism is true....

[MamaZ]

That is not an answer. I asked you for an answer to "why" and not for "spammed up prooftext" of some kind that doesn't answer my reason for asking which is based on you remarks.

You asked why was Jesus tempted . So I gave you scripture as to why Jesus was tempted.

 

[nobdysfool]

Heb 2:16 For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.

Looks like an answer to the question asked. A very good answer, for it is scripture. Christ fulfilled the Law in our stead. Fulfilling the law requires that one resist and overcome temptation. Christ had to be tempted in order to overcome temptation. Seems pretty obvious to me.

 

[Van]

How can one walk away from Christ who abides in us forever? To say Christ does not abide in us forever (John 14:16) requires that scripture be nullified by the traditions of men. One effort is to say that the scripture says the Spirit "may" dwell in you forever, not that He will. But that argument may misread the text. Several translations render it "to be with you forever" including the NIV, the ESV, and HCSB. I do not know Greek so I am unable to say whether this verse's version of "eimi" is best translated "may be" rather than "to be." And if the grammar is not decisive, then context suggests "to be" to be the best translation.

 

[Ormly]

How can one walk away from Christ who abides in us forever?

Then I ask you the same question I ask a grossly disegenuine poster who desired to sidetrack it all:

Why was Jesus tempted? What reason would the Devil have for temptiing Jesus who many consider to be someone who couldn't be tempted. What did the Devil hope to gain if it wasn't possiblity?

BTW. You haven't answered my last.

 

[MamaZ]

Then I ask you the same question I ask a grossly disegenuine poster who desired to sidetrack it all:

Why was Jesus tempted? What reason would the Devil have for temptiing Jesus who many consider to be someone who couldn't be tempted. What did the Devil hope to gain if it wasn't possiblity?

BTW. You haven't answered my last.

Why was Jesus tempted Ormly?

 

[Van]

Ormly, the question on the table is "How can one walk away from our indwelt Holy Spirit, since we are indwelt forever. My answer is it is impossible, and therefore the "loss of salvation" view is unbiblical.

 

[Ormly]

Ormly, the question on the table is "How can one walk away from our indwelt Holy Spirit, since we are indwelt forever. My answer is it is impossible, and therefore the "loss of salvation" view is unbiblical.

And my question remains: If it was not possible, then why was Jesus tempted of the Devil? Keeping in mind, he persuaded 1/3 the heavenly host, surely the Devil would have known of its impossibilty.

What was he after by tempting the man, Jesus?

 

[Charis kai Dunamis]

And my question remains: If it was not possible, then why was Jesus tempted of the Devil? Keeping in mind, he persuaded 1/3 the heavenly host, surely the Devil would have known of its impossibilty.

What was he after by tempting the man, Jesus?

Satan, the deceiver, is deceived himself. His falling away is proof of that. Thus he would not necessarily know the impossibility of Jesus sinning. He may even know it but refuse to believe it, since he is so filled with self-righteousness and unaccepting of the truth.

Also just to add, Jesus was not tempted as we are tempted, for His temptation was one of external temptation, while ours is one of internal temptation (we are fallen, He was not). Thus His temptation would more appropriately be identified with Adam's.

 

[beloved57]

And my question remains: If it was not possible, then why was Jesus tempted of the Devil? Keeping in mind, he persuaded 1/3 the heavenly host, surely the Devil would have known of its impossibilty.

So you believe Jesus christ, who Is God, could have sinned ormly ? lol..

 

[Charis kai Dunamis]

So you believe Jesus christ, who Is God, could have sinned ormly ? lol..

Probably not, he just purposely tries to get people mad at him me thinks...

 

[nobdysfool]

Probably not, he just purposely tries to get people mad at him me thinks...

Displaying a very unchristian spirit, and then wonders why no one wants to listen...My mama taught me you catch a lot more flies with honey than with vinegar.....

 

[Ormly]

Satan, the deceiver, is deceived himself. His falling away is proof of that. Thus he would not necessarily know the impossibility of Jesus sinning. He may even know it but refuse to believe it, since he is so filled with self-righteousness and unaccepting of the truth.

That is conjecture and you missing some good stuff to your thinking with such an explanation.

Also just to add, Jesus was not tempted as we are tempted, for His temptation was one of external temptation, while ours is one of internal temptation (we are fallen, He was not). Thus His temptation would more appropriately be identified with Adam's.

O Really? Jesus wasn't "tempted in all ways like man yet without sin". Interesting. If He couldn't fail then why the temptation . . . .as man? Are you also saying He didn't hungry, which is proof He had to deal with an internal temptation?

However, your identifying Jesus with Adam is on the right track.

So, why was Adam tempted? Using the same analogy, why did Adam fail and Jesus succeed? In this you gotta keep in mind that all divine attributes of the "Word" were laid side in the life of Jesus. This will help in placing them pretty much on the same playing field.

 

[Ormly]

So you believe Jesus christ, who Is God, could have sinned ormly ? lol..

. . . . I love it

Hey 57!! How come God had to learn obedience?


. . . . never mind. Forget I asked. It was silly of me.

 

[beloved57]

. . . . I love it

Hey 57!! How come God had to learn obedience?


. . . . never mind. Forget I asked. It was silly of me.

Do you believe God could sin when tempted by the devil ormly ?

 

[Ormly]

Do you believe God could sin when tempted by the devil ormly ?

Nope! . . . .and you didn't answer my question. Whats wrong, you run outta "flames"?

 

[Van]

How can one walk away from Christ who abides in us forever? To say Christ does not abide in us forever (John 14:16) requires that scripture be nullified by the traditions of men. One effort is to say that the scripture says the Spirit "may" dwell in you forever, not that He will. But that argument may misread the text. Several translations render it "to be with you forever" including the NIV, the ESV, and HCSB. I do not know Greek so I am unable to say whether this verse's version of "eimi" is best translated "may be" rather than "to be." And if the grammar is not decisive, then context suggests "to be" to be the best translation.

Still waiting for those who have studied Greek to explain whether the form of "eimi" dictates "may be" rather than "to be?"

 

[MamaZ]

This is why Jesus was tempted
Heb 2:17 Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.

 

[Van]

Still waiting, see post 76

 

[MamaZ]

Still waiting, see post 76

GIve me the scripture reference I will look it up for you.

 

[MamaZ]

Joh 14:16 καὶ ἐγὼ ἐρωτήσω τὸν πατέρα καὶ ἄλλον παράκλητον δώσει ὑμῖν, ἵνα μένῃ μεθ᾿ ὑμῶν εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα,


remote time, that is, the future or past indefinitely; often adverbially forever: - for([n-]) ever

I can't find what it is your looking for.. Sorry I will have to do more study.