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I'm looking for facts. All the opinion stuff is just that....opinion.
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I'm looking for facts. All the opinion stuff is just that....opinion.So now that you know the Left leaning source of the purported "factual" information posted in the OP; are you still concerned as to whether or not it is objective; or are you looking for a source which agrees with how you already feel?
So now that you know the Left leaning source of the purported "factual" information posted in the OP; are you still concerned as to whether or not it is objective; or are you looking for a source which agrees with how you already feel?
There are thousands of articles probably. Of course most are simply noting trends and realities of how people get food and transportation, supply, etc etc. The world lockdowns obviously will and have impacted all that.Hi @power1
You did read that article, right? 'Could', 'maybe', 'might'. These are all suppositions of what could happen. I didn't read a single fact that explained that such things have happened anywhere and yet we are 1.5 years into this. How long is this starvation going to take? And a according to the man that they're quoting from, he already said, before covid even reared its ugly head, that 2020 was going to be a very bad year for hunger and famine. So, gloom and doom all you like, there's nothing in this article but suppositions of what 'could' happen because of the supply and labor shortages.
What did you want, pics of bodies? There can be no doubting that a large fragile population in the world, living already on the edge of hunger and starvation will be impacted!Your other link says that 11 people are 'likely' dying of hunger and malnutrition each minute. Ok, and that's certainly terrible and avoidable, but how many people actually died each minute from the same causes in 2019? Just giving some terrible sounding number doesn't do any good unless there's a comparison to show how much worse it is than it was. Then it goes on to say that 20 million more this year are in 'crisis levels of food insecurity' and clearly states that the suspected cause is war and conflict. Then it allows that both covid and climate crisis may also be contributing to the increase. Nothing really solid is any of that. Do you even read these links you post?
No. The supply shortages and lockdowns would be the bigger culprit.
This allows that the Coronavirus is pushing millions further into hunger. Not the vaccines. Yes, I don't doubt that the Coronavirus is making life tough all over the world, but that's exactly why we need the vaccines.
That is fair game.Look, I'm sorry. And I know that you are passionate about what you believe and that you passionately believe that what you believe is the truth of the reality that is going on outside your window...but I contend that you're wrong.
The speed of lessening effectiveness I think is surprising for some. Also how the vaccines don't help so much on some variants in some places, as most of the sick are vaxxed. Then there is the issue of the deaths caused by the vaccines.Yes, studies show that the vaccines do lose some effectiveness over time. Why did you think they were pushing the booster program? You do pay attention to the national news, don't you? They have for ages been saying that the vaccines reduce in effectiveness over time and so we, therefore, need booster shots. That's why the whole booster program came about. So I really don't know why you think this is some earth shattering news that no one seems to be aware of.
And I doubt any come close to the actual damage.Look, as I said, you're free to believe what your mind has convinced you is the truth. I don't deny any of the reports that you've posted as links, but I do deny that any of them lay the blame for any of the terrible consequences that they report on the vaccines.
Facts are not restricted to your favourite sources.I'm looking for facts. All the opinion stuff is just that....opinion.
Hi @HARK!
If I might just throw in a point here about the OP. The link does not support the claim that the thread title is trying to make. The link says nothing about the vaccine or boosters not being effective.
which is the point the OP seems to be making in the thread title
There can be no doubting that a large fragile population in the world, living already on the edge of hunger and starvation will be impacted!
The article says nothing about the vaccines being useless. WHO wants vaccinations to be given worldwide and not just in well developed countries."
No country can boost its way out of the pandemic,” said the World Health Organization’s Secretary General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus Wednesday.
“Blanket booster programs are likely to prolong the COVID-19 pandemic, rather than ending it, by diverting supply to countries that already have high levels of vaccination coverage, giving the virus more opportunity to spread and mutate.”
Nor should a third dose of vaccine be seen as carte blanche, he added. “Boosters cannot be seen as a ticket to go ahead with planned celebrations.”
WHO warns booster campaigns prolonging pandemic
So neither shots nor boosters are an 'excuse' to enjoy gatherings..or seemingly anything else at all!
Well FINALLY! There's the long awaited "flattening of the curve" we were sold at the beginning of this mess.
So,
booster is useless or worse
doesn't infer to you that the claim is being made that the booster is useless or worse.
God bless,
Ted
You left out a key point. That was presented as a postulate, which preceded a question.
Do you have an answer?
No. It was mostly the reaction to a disease. The lockdowns etc. Many experts say that was not a good way to handle the problem. For example I have heard it said that a better way would have been to only isolate those at risk, and not to do so in a way that offends human dignity (such as being locked up in an old folk's home unable to see loved ones even in last days of life). Also to use alternative treatments, etc.Hi @power1
You don't get it do you?
This 'reason' that the 'large fragile population in the world are being impacted' is because the disease came...not the vaccinations.
I don't believe that. I think the best medical folks disagree.Certainly when economies shut down, there are going to be impacts to the people living under that economy. But this is something that all the best medical advice recommends
Says who? How is not allowing singing worship songs or meetings preventing more deaths than a boxing day sale at cosco, or a liquor store New Year rush line up, etc?? We already have seen that some leaders imposing this nonsense are hypocrites and have traveled and not worn the foolish masks, and etc etc etc themselves. It is a joke., and businesses have done, to try and prevent even more deaths and serious illness.
Yet nurses and missionaries and others have done that. Then, when they maybe see a bunch of deaths and seizures or serious side effects from probably the vaccines (they might assume) and don't want the gook in them, they are no longer heros, but scum who are fired.Very few people want to go to work with the fairly large risk of contracting some deadly disease as the payment of their wages. But yes, that choice will have economic consequences.
No. It is an agenda being forced Nazi style.It's a dreadful balancing act to have to maintain, but it isn't the vaccinations or the boosters that are causing people and companies and governments to practice stay at home procedures.
We don't need one article to say everything! We can look at sports teams and cruise ships and etc that were 1000% vaccinated and still got hit hard! The decreasing effectiveness could have hundreds of articles posted on that issue alone. The most vaccinated countries getting sick most could have more articles. Etc. Then you make a claim about the problem being the natural people who have enough sense to avoid death and poison as being responsible! Since wholly vaccinated populations are seeing the most sickness in some cases we can't blame others. We also see that variations are affecting mostly the vaccinated as well! In the future for all we know that could be the trend.The article says nothing about the vaccines being unless. WHO wants vaccinations to be given worldwide and not just in well developed countries.
The virus will continue to mutate in the unvaccinated and WHO's leadership fears that giving boosters will take needed vaccines away from poor countries.
How far? Well, as far as rational thinking, healthy living and medical science will allow me. Why would I do otherwise? Even if I thought the pandemic were a plague sent by God, why would I not do my best to survive it? Is there some merit in not resisting disease because I suspect it might be a plague sent by God? Even if that were true, why I would I not also believe the development of Moderna was facilitated by God to protect those with ears to hear and eyes to see? These kind of arguments that attempt to turn medical issues into religious ones just never hold together rationally.The aim of these "boosters" may be to see to which length you will stretch to keep your life in this world.
If this is the case, it might go on longer. But obviously if this is the work of the Spirit of Plague, this will go on for as long as Heaven permit. How far will you go to keep your life?
Let him who has ears, hear, and he who has eyes, see.
God kills babies for medicine now?How far? Well, as far as rational thinking, healthy living and medical science will allow me. Why would I do otherwise? Even if I thought the pandemic were a plague sent by God, why would I not do my best to survive it? Is there some merit in not resisting disease because I suspect it might be a plague sent by God? Even if that were true, why I would I not also believe the development of Moderna was facilitated by God to protect those with ears to hear and eyes to see? These kind of arguments that attempt to turn medical issues into religious ones just never hold together rationally.
Hi @HARK!
No, I don't think I left out anything, but you're free to read it as you see fit. Further, based on the body of the OP, it would seem that ineffectiveness of the vaccine and boosters is certainly how they meant to portray their 'postulate'.
Anyway, I allow that we may each read the words and their intent differently.
God bless,
Ted
Many experts say that was not a good way to handle the problem.
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