Idenity Theft

[stelow]

Or not, since the country is run by 'bible believeing Christians'.

It's hard to understand why you would think this to be true, you would think in another country like you live would be free from such propaganda (public realtions) about america. The giant banks and corporations run this country through a hostile government allied with them and a media that is controlled by them. There is nothing Christian about how this country is run.

 

[stelow]

Did you notice how old the article is?

The article is over three years old but what I am saying is that in the news media we are now being bombarded with the threat of ID theft.

Whenever you have a fear being promoted to the public there is the potential for cash to be made and more control over them gained from creating an atmosphere of fear. Is ID theft a problem sure but it has been a problem for along time but now there has been this upswing in the media to drill into our minds that something more radical needs to be done about it.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

It's hard to understand why you would think this to be true, you would think in another country like you live would be free from such propaganda (public realtions) about america. The giant banks and corporations run this country through a hostile government allied with them and a media that is controlled by them. There is nothing Christian about how this country is run.

Yes, I am free from the propoganda that you think you and your countrymen seem to suffer from. The reason I think this to be true is because it IS true. Your paranoia is unreasonable.

 

[Steezie]

The article is over three years old but what I am saying is that in the news media we are now being bombarded with the threat of ID theft.

Whenever you have a fear being promoted to the public there is the potential for cash to be made and more control over them gained from creating an atmosphere of fear. Is ID theft a problem sure but it has been a problem for along time but now there has been this upswing in the media to drill into our minds that something more radical needs to be done about it.

Identity theft IS a real problem. It happens frequently. My own parents have had serious problems with it in the past.

 

[wanderingone]

The article is over three years old but what I am saying is that in the news media we are now being bombarded with the threat of ID theft.

Whenever you have a fear being promoted to the public there is the potential for cash to be made and more control over them gained from creating an atmosphere of fear. Is ID theft a problem sure but it has been a problem for along time but now there has been this upswing in the media to drill into our minds that something more radical needs to be done about it.

It allows businesses to sell us garbage "credit check" type services with our other financial service and make money when we could do all that careful control ourselves without paying anyone for it. Identity theft has been big in the news for years and years. It's a real problem, and people need to repeatedly be reminded of how easy it is for someone to use your trash, your receipts, tidbits of info about you to commit all kinds of financial and legal fraud. I don't notice any huge increase in the media on these stories.

 

[TheManeki]

Have you noticed how much this new fear (terror) called ID theft is being promoted by the media? Well of course the solution to this problem (propaganda) is about to be unleashed on a frightened society. New World Order is upon us and it's gaining momentum without most of the people even knowing.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35766

Well, we've survived other "New World Order plots" like Social Security Numbers and Bar Codes. Calm down. If you want to protest something, protest the chilling effects on free speech stemming from illegal government wiretapping, suspension of the Geneva conventions and habeas corpus at Gitmo, and abuse of DMCA takedown notices.


Then again, maybe SSNs and bar codes were just tests designed to desensitize us to this eventuality! After all, we all know that President Bush belonged to the Skulls when he was in college, which are a secret branch of the Knights Templar, who are controlled by the Tres, who report to the Gnomes of Zurich, who belong to the NWO. Which everyone knows is run by Hulk Hogan.

 

[IzzyPop]

That evil Hulk Hogan is behind everything!!!!

P.S. I didn't know of the Gnomes of Zurich, I just thought that Tres reported directly to the NWO. Thanks for the heads-up.

 

[shye]

Or not, since the country is run by 'bible believeing Christians'.

the question is are they true christians or are they just saying this to gain popularity?

 

[Electric Skeptic]

the question is are they true christians or are they just saying this to gain popularity?

I see nothing to indicate they are not 'true christians'.

 

[shye]

I see nothing to indicate they are not 'true christians'.

I meant to say do they beliefe in the Christian God or are they just lieing throught their teeth

 

[Electric Skeptic]

I meant to say do they beliefe in the Christian God or are they just lieing throught their teeth

See my response in post #49.

 

[stelow]

I meant to say do they beliefe in the Christian God or are they just lieing throught their teeth

Hey shye. I wouldn't waste my time trying to tell this guy, everyone already knows the Australian government is the only one ran by Christians. Really most people don't even know what it means to be a Christian, I'd say a large percentage of professing Christians are not any such thing. Cash is the God of the majority, take away their cash and you've taken away their God.

 

[shye]

Hey shye. I wouldn't waste my time trying to tell this guy, everyone already knows the Australian government is the only one ran by Christians. Really most people don't even know what it means to be a Christian, I'd say a large percentage of professing Christians are not any such thing. Cash is the God of the majority, take away their cash and you've taken away their God.

Yeah I kind of figured so I stoped... but atleast someone knew what I was trying to get across

 

[stelow]

So there is very little resistance by the population to the idea of being chipped and many think it's just some kind of joke. This is going to happen it's part of their plan for everyone to be chipped it's all part of their cleverly designed plot of a New World Order. The war on terror is the propaganda that fuels the ID theft issue as some kind of major threat that we all need to be protected from. I think they will probably start with a mandatory chipping of all newborns.

 

[Steezie]

So there is very little resistance by the population to the idea of being chipped and many think it's just some kind of joke. This is going to happen it's part of their plan for everyone to be chipped it's all part of their cleverly designed plot of a New World Order. The war on terror is the propaganda that fuels the ID theft issue as some kind of major threat that we all need to be protected from. I think they will probably start with a mandatory chipping of all newborns.

Have you even examined the practicability of this kind of a program?

The chips would have to be cheap, readily avalible for mass production, not interfere with anything in the human body, and be able to be read only by authorized scanners.

Yes yes yes I know we have a chipping program for pets, but pets are not people. Pets dont walk around through high EM fields or subject thier boddies to the same kinds of punishment that we humans do. What would happen in an MRI machine? Or near a source of high EM radiation?

The biggest obstacle is the readers themselves. It isnt a problem for pets because pets dont store thier social security numbers on the chips. If we started having sensitive information stored on the chips, whats to stop someboddy with a hand-held scanner swiping your financial information or your identity. The cost of designing a chip that can ONLY be read by a certain scanner and a certain type of scanner that can read the chips then keeping BOTH a closely guarded secret (When you'd have them EVERYWHERE) to prevent theft and fraud is so high you'd shoot any benefits from the system in the head.

Its a cute idea, may have SOME practical uses, but itt'l never happen

 

[stelow]

Have you even examined the practicability of this kind of a program?

The chips would have to be cheap, readily avalible for mass production, not interfere with anything in the human body, and be able to be read only by authorized scanners.

Yes yes yes I know we have a chipping program for pets, but pets are not people. Pets dont walk around through high EM fields or subject thier boddies to the same kinds of punishment that we humans do. What would happen in an MRI machine? Or near a source of high EM radiation?

The biggest obstacle is the readers themselves. It isnt a problem for pets because pets dont store thier social security numbers on the chips. If we started having sensitive information stored on the chips, whats to stop someboddy with a hand-held scanner swiping your financial information or your identity. The cost of designing a chip that can ONLY be read by a certain scanner and a certain type of scanner that can read the chips then keeping BOTH a closely guarded secret (When you'd have them EVERYWHERE) to prevent theft and fraud is so high you'd shoot any benefits from the system in the head.

Its a cute idea, may have SOME practical uses, but itt'l never happen

It is happening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClxR-8VLxD8&mode=related&search=

 

[IzzyPop]

It is happening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClxR-8VLxD8&mode=related&search=

Real Id will never make it out of the courts. It is grossly unconstitutional. And that is just an ID card. You start talking about mandatory implantation of a microchip into American citizens and there will be a list of lawsuits from here to the moon.

 

[TheManeki]

The main detraction I have with RealID is that it doesn't seem very secure having a chip that broadcasts my information constantly. It seems like the benefits of having a hard-to-forge ID are outweighed by the increased potential of identity theft. Even if the data is encrypted, if someone has the computer time to break it, it can be eventually broken.

I've heard of similar concerns regarding the new RFID-enabled passports. The passport cover is supposed to prevent any broadcasting when it is closed, yet unless the cover is perfectly closed there is a small amount of "leakage" that could potentially be recorded and decrypted, allowing others to see your information.

That's my worry, not some kind of fear that there's a HUMUNGOUS Illuminati computer deep below the Washington Monument codenamed "The Beast" that is just awaiting the command to take over and begin Armageddon.

 

[Steezie]

It is happening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClxR-8VLxD8&mode=related&search=

That is the most bogus video I've ever seen

The bill mandates that all driver's liscenses contain "commonly readable technology"

They already do

The Real ID Act has been grossly mis-represented

From Wikipedia:

The REAL ID Act of 2005 is Division B of an act of the United States Congress titled Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005, Pub.L. 109-13, 119 Stat. 231, enacted 2005-05-11). This legislation was intended to deter terrorism by implementing the following:

• Establishing national standards for state-issued driver's licenses and non-driver's identification cards;
• Waiving laws that interfere with construction of physical barriers at the borders;
• Updating and tightening the laws on application for asylum and deportation of aliens for terrorist activity;
• Introducing rules covering "delivery bonds" (rather like bail bonds but for aliens who have been released pending hearings);
• Funding some reports and pilot projects related to border security; and
• Changing visa limits for temporary workers, nurses, and Australian citizens.

For those of you paying attention, what year does it say the Real ID Act went into effect? 2005. Last I checked, this is 2007.

This video is meant to scare people who are too stupid or lazy to do actual research on the subject. It took me 30 seconds of research to figgure out how bogus it is.

 

[TheManeki]

For those of you paying attention, what year does it say the Real ID Act went into effect? 2005. Last I checked, this is 2007.

This video is meant to scare people who are too stupid or lazy to do actual research on the subject. It took me 30 seconds of research to figgure out how bogus it is.

Correction: The bill was passed in 2005, and mandated that all IDs conform to the newly-legislated standards by May 2008. Because of a backlash among several states, this has now been pushed back to December 2009. It's all in the Wikipedia article you mentioned and read through a little too quickly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_id

And you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to wonder if an ID card continuously broadcasting your personal information might lead to identity theft. I'm not talking about the Illuminati, Bjorne, or Revelations here, just people applying for credit cards in your name, maxing them out, and messing up your credit so badly that life becomes pretty rough.