Ice Core Chronology

[Cromulent]

Iridium can come from the interior of the earth, or space. So having some there is no issue. If you have an example of a 'meteor' in an ice core that lines up with something, show us.

So you're saying it is a coincidence that the iridium layers in sediment and ice appear to correspond to the same, older than the bible says.

It's no issue only if you want to admit you pull this stuff out of your lower digestive tract as you go along.

 

[dad]

So you're saying it is a coincidence that the iridium layers in sediment and ice appear to correspond to the same, older than the bible says.

It's no issue only if you want to admit you pull this stuff out of your lower digestive tract as you go along.

If iridium in say the KT layer era was a result of the flood, that would kill your vague attempted point. Now, if you want to offer some example of iridium somewhere you think is the slightest problem for a different state past, just let us know. You can't bluff your way through here.

 

[Cromulent]

If iridium in say the KT layer era was a result of the flood, that would kill your vague attempted point. Now, if you want to offer some example of iridium somewhere you think is the slightest problem for a different state past, just let us know. You can't bluff your way through here.

Says the man who bluffs his way through everything, even after admitting you have no education or training in any scientific field. Iridium is not deposited as a result of a flood, especially not in ice cores, which are created by snow. And even then there would only be one corresponding layer of iridium in both ice cores and sediment if the flood caused it, instead of many.

I could find sources for all of this for you, but I really can't be bothered, considering you exist in your own "different state" into which any evidence is unable to permeate.

 

[Split Rock]

I could find sources for all of this for you, but I really can't be bothered, considering you exist in your own "different state" into which any evidence is unable to permeate.

Congrats, you have dad pegged perfectly!

 

[Jazer]

So you're saying it is a coincidence that the iridium layers in sediment and ice appear to correspond to the same, older than the bible says.

They correrespond to the same ORDER as the Bible and they confirm that the Bible is true. It is so easy a fifth grader can understand. Jesus Himself teaches you must become as a child. I do not know how it can be any more plain and simple.

Matt 18:3

New International Version (©1984)
And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Then he said, "I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven.

English Standard Version (©2001)
and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Split Rock]

They correrespond to the same ORDER as the Bible and they confirm that the Bible is true. It is so easy a fifth grader can understand. Jesus Himself teaches you must become as a child. I do not know how it can be any more plain and simple.

Matt 18:3

New International Version (©1984)
And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Then he said, "I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven.

English Standard Version (©2001)
and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

So your god wants you to be a child. OK. Why did he design you so you grow up then??

 

[Jazer]

So your god wants you to be a child. OK. Why did he design you so you grow up then??

I do not have an answer to your questions, but God has all the answer, just seek Him and He will give you all the understanding you desire. Actually I could answer your question, but I do not like the way you respond to my answers so I will pass on that. Thanks for asking though.

Matt 7:7

New International Version (©1984)
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to you.

English Standard Version (©2001)
“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

 

[pgp_protector]

I do not have an answer to your questions, but God has all the answer, just seek Him and He will give you all the understanding you desire. Actually I could answer your question, but I do not like the way you respond to my answers so I will pass on that. Thanks for asking though.
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[Cromulent]

They correrespond to the same ORDER as the Bible and they confirm that the Bible is true. It is so easy a fifth grader can understand. Jesus Himself teaches you must become as a child. I do not know how it can be any more plain and simple.

Matt 18:3

New International Version (©1984)
And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Then he said, "I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven.

English Standard Version (©2001)
and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Where does the bible talk about meteorite impacts that occurred before humans ever existed?

 

[Split Rock]

I do not have an answer to your questions, but God has all the answer, just seek Him and He will give you all the understanding you desire. Actually I could answer your question, but I do not like the way you respond to my answers so I will pass on that. Thanks for asking though.

Translation: "with my confused and contadictory understanding of scripture, I cannot answer your question... but I don't want to admit that."

Thanks anyway..

 

[RickG]

You claimed some limiting factor. I assume it has to do with the visual thing under discussion.

No, you said that I said visual layers are the same at the bottom as the top. I did not. I think you are confusing the visual layers with annual layers.

You seem to have misunderstood something.

Again, no I understood you quite well.

If the calibration is all present state based, and they lean on that, of course it is a crutch.

It is not, it is based on past references from numerous independent proxy sources.

I think I did get speleothems from your link. No? If they are not relevant to ice cores, then try to pick out what is relevant before spamming some link.

Speleothems are extremely relevant to ice core chronology correlation and calibration. I did not spam a link. I provided a link to a published peer review paper that specifically addresses ice core chronology that addresses your very questions. I suggest you go back and review it. It is quite informative and educational.

Says you who have no clue and were not there.

Sir, I have a Master of Science degree in Physical Earth Science with a concentration in paleoclimatology (Univ. of Memphis, 1977). I do believe I have quite a bit more than a clue.

What the issue is is ice. Layers. If it was rapidly laid down in another state, then why would we even consider present state snowfall? If we had water and chemicals coming up from under the earth, for example, one could envision a lot of layers forming real fast. Some chemicals are real cold you know. There are all sorts of possibilities to make a lot of ice.

None of that makes any sense and is not even close to any kind of reality. Please, if you are going to post in this thread, I would appreciate you addressing the science with science instead of incredible ideologies. I started this thread with the intention of answer questions people may have about ice core chronology and the methods used in determining specifics about past climates. Thank you.

 

[dad]

No, you said that I said visual layers are the same at the bottom as the top. I did not. I think you are confusing the visual layers with annual layers.

Again, no I understood you quite well.

Then maybe you should make your point clearly. Are you suggesting that layers on the bottom provide us with the same clarity that the ones near the top do?

It is not, it is based on past references from numerous independent proxy sources.

I don't believe you. Name three of these sources!

Speleothems are extremely relevant to ice core chronology correlation and calibration.

OK, so give an example of this.

Sir, I have a Master of Science degree in Physical Earth Science with a concentration in paleoclimatology (Univ. of Memphis, 1977). I do believe I have quite a bit more than a clue.

What you believe is not all that important. You see if you were taught something biased and intellectually weak, it would not matter how well you learned it. What matters is what it is.

None of that makes any sense and is not even close to any kind of reality. Please, if you are going to post in this thread, I would appreciate you addressing the science with science instead of incredible ideologies. I started this thread with the intention of answer questions people may have about ice core chronology and the methods used in determining specifics about past climates. Thank you.

The ice age was not in this state. Your claims of some reality where it was need proof. Fact is you do not know. You never even addressed how a fast reproductive rate could affect things, as I posted in response to your first points.

 

[dad]

Says the man who bluffs his way through everything, even after admitting you have no education or training in any scientific field. Iridium is not deposited as a result of a flood, especially not in ice cores, which are created by snow.

No. I doubt ice was created by snow in the far past, when the ice age occurred. It is now.

And even then there would only be one corresponding layer of iridium in both ice cores and sediment if the flood caused it, instead of many.

You allude to many but show none. Funny that.


You see if waters came up bearing iridium (or down from space) then why would we only expect one layer? You need to pony up hard examples. Splainin should be easy.

 

[dad]

Where does the bible talk about meteorite impacts that occurred before humans ever existed?

Nowhere. Why, got one from before man existed to show us??

 

[RickG]

Then maybe you should make your point clearly. Are you suggesting that layers on the bottom provide us with the same clarity that the ones near the top do?

I have been quite clear on all of my posts. There can be nonconformities, but yes, the bottom can be as robust as the top. Understand that there are multiple methods for identifying layers and their contents. It is not all about dating but that is important, but what the constituents of each annual layer reveal with regards to past climates.

I don't believe you. Name three of these sources!

1. Correlation of ice cores from different locations including both north and south polar regions.
2. Speleothems
3. Ocean sediment cores
4. Varves
5. Corals
6. Cosmogenic nuclides such as C14, Be10, & Cl36
7. Trace elements

to name a few.

OK, so give an example of this.

I already have. It is explained in detail in the the paper I linked.

What you believe is not all that important. You see if you were taught something biased and intellectually weak, it would not matter how well you learned it. What matters is what it is.

Good Greif! What is your problem?

The ice age was not in this state. Your claims of some reality where it was need proof. Fact is you do not know. You never even addressed how a fast reproductive rate could affect things, as I posted in response to your first points.

I addressed it quite specifically. PHYSICS DOES NOT CHANGE.

 

[pgp_protector]

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Good Greif! What is your problem?



I addressed it quite specifically. PHYSICS DOES NOT CHANGE.

Good luck

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Yep, turns out physics was different in the past. Oh, he can't prove it, so you'll just have to take his word for it. K?

 

[dad]

I have been quite clear on all of my posts. There can be nonconformities, but yes, the bottom can be as robust as the top. Understand that there are multiple methods for identifying layers and their contents. It is not all about dating but that is important, but what the constituents of each annual layer reveal with regards to past climates.



1. Correlation of ice cores from different locations including both north and south polar regions.

The big issue is how do you correlate them!?

2. Speleothems

Name one cave icicle or whatever in Texas or someplace that correlates the ice in Greenland? How many times do you need to be asked to get specific?

3. Ocean sediment cores
4. Varves
5. Corals

None of which can date anything out of this state, obviously.

6. Cosmogenic nuclides such as C14, Be10, & Cl36

You would need decay which means this set of laws. We do not know they existed. So any radionuclide ratios cannot be attributed to present state decay.

7. Trace elements

to name a few.

What about trace elements!!!!? They do not establish a present state, nor help your ice claims.

I addressed it quite specifically. PHYSICS DOES NOT CHANGE.

[/QUOTE] I never saw that. What was the proof?? Evasion doesn't change in your case, doc.

 

[dad]

Yep, turns out physics was different in the past. Oh, he can't prove it, so you'll just have to take his word for it. K?

Yep, turns out physics was the same in the past. Oh, he can't prove it, so you'll just have to take his word for it. K? Frenchie knows best.

 

[dad]

Good luck

He will need more than luck, like a long series of miracles.