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There are many different and completely dating methods, both radiometric and non-radiometric, for determining the age of objects.

One of the most robust of the non-radiometric dating methods is ice core chronology. Ice cores are used almost exclusively in the fields of paleoclimatology and glaciology. The accumulation of "firns" in snow fields in the high latitudes stores a plethora of information pertaining to past climates. One important aspect of this information is "when" those climatic conditions occurred, thus the chronological aspect of ice cores.

There are several different and completely independent methods used in identifying annual layers in ice cores. Greenland Ice cores go back as far as 100,000 years, while Antarctic ice cores go back as far as 800,000 years. Here is a list of some of the methods and techniques used in dating ice cores:




1. Visual Layers. Visual stratigraphy in ice cores does not count individual layers of snowfall; it utilizes annual layers which have specific properties completely different from individual snowfalls. In the high latitudes where there are six months of sunlight and six months of darkness an annual "firn" is created. Regardless of the number of snowfalls during the time of continuous sunlight, ice crystals become enlarged. Conversely, during winter (no sunlight) they do not enlarge and become more compacted. That is why a "visual" annual layer consists of one dark and one light layer.


2. Electrical Conductivity. Nitric acid is produced in the atmosphere from the reaction of nitrogen, water vapor and UV irradiation during the summer months. This process is absent during the winter months due to the absence of sunlight. Therefore, summer snowfall is much more acidic than winter snowfall. Needless to say, this is an extremely robust method for identifying annual layers. Not only can extreme variations electrical conductivity be measured but pH as well.


3. Dust. Another annual marker is the amount of dust which is measured with laser light scattering. During late winter and early spring there is significantly more dust in the atmosphere than during other months.


4. Trace chemicals. Differences in amounts of trace chemicals containing calcium and sodium also vary significantly between summer and winter.


5. Isotope concentration. The heavy isotopes of oxygen (O-18) and hydrogen (H-2) also known as deuterium fractionate from the atmosphere during the winter months. Therefore, the ratios between O-18 and O-16 are significantly different between winter and summer months. As well, H-2 and H-1 exhibit the same physical characteristic.


6. Cosmogenic nuclides. Another is the concentration of cosmogenic nuclides, specifically C-14, Be-10, and Cl-36. In this method specific events are measured rather than annual layers which are used to synchronize chronologies. These events are due to magnetic disturbances in the Earth's magnetic field which are well known and are not just contained in ice cores but sediments world-wide.


7. Volcanic eruptions. Significant volcanic eruptions occur on average twice a century and eject enormous amounts of volcanic ash into the atmosphere. This dust can be radiometrically dated which are also cross-referenced to annual layer chronologies.
 

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As far as I'm concerned, ice cores are the best evidence against a young earth. There is no way God would have made the earth 6000 years ago, and then planted evidence of volcanic eruptions, meteorite impacts, and electromagnetic events happening further back, all backed up by three completely independent dating methods in radioisotopic, sediment stratigraphy, and ice cores. AC can talk all he wants about "embedded age", but three separate forms of evidence for a volcanic eruption tens of thousands of years ago would be nothing short of "embedded lies".
 
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As far as I'm concerned, ice cores are the best evidence against an old earth. There is no way God would have made the earth 6000 years ago, and then planted evidence of volcanic eruptions, meteorite impacts, and electromagnetic events happening further back, all backed up by three completely independent dating methods in radioisotopic, sediment stratigraphy, and ice cores. AC can talk all he wants about "embedded age", but three separate forms of evidence for a volcanic eruption tens of thousands of years ago would be nothing short of "embedded lies".

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As far as I'm concerned, ice cores are the best evidence against a young earth. There is no way God would have made the earth 6000 years ago, and then planted evidence of volcanic eruptions, meteorite impacts, and electromagnetic events happening further back, all backed up by three completely independent dating methods in radioisotopic, sediment stratigraphy, and ice cores. AC can talk all he wants about "embedded age", but three separate forms of evidence for a volcanic eruption tens of thousands of years ago would be nothing short of "embedded lies".

I've tried to explain to AVET many times in different ways that his embedded age hypothesis is falsified for this very reason. He claims that age was embedded, but not history. Yet, that history is there going back millions of years.
 
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I've tried to explain to AVET many times in different ways that his embedded age hypothesis is falsified for this very reason. He claims that age was embedded, but not history. Yet, that history is there going back millions of years.

The problem is that his main claim is that "God did it", and that is very hard to refute.
 
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Here we go with the ice cores again.

Just off the top of my head, and being too lazy to look it up right now:

There's a squadron of planes that went down in Greenland somewhere; and some 46 years later, when a team of seekers went there to find it, it was buried under something like 200+ ice cores, hundreds of feet below the surface.
 
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Here we go with the ice cores again.

Just off the top of my head, and being too lazy to look it up right now:

There's a squadron of planes that went down in Greenland somewhere; and some 46 years later, when a team of seekers went there to find it, it was buried under something like 200+ ice cores, hundreds of feet below the surface.


And those planes are in southern Greenland near the coast where shows are heavy and frequent, thus the explanation for the depth. Where ice cores are taken us on the dome and snow is infrequent.

The point is, the depth of the snow/ice makes no difference. Ice core chronologies are measured by depth. Go back and read the OP and educate yourself on how chronologies are obtained. Then, if you still have a question, please address it.
 
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Here we go with the ice cores again.

Just off the top of my head, and being too lazy to look it up right now:

There's a squadron of planes that went down in Greenland somewhere; and some 46 years later, when a team of seekers went there to find it, it was buried under something like 200+ ice cores, hundreds of feet below the surface.

Must be nice being lazy.

If you're talking about Operation Bolero they were only about 81.6m deep,

not that deep when looking at ice core measurements.
 
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Where ice cores are taken us on the dome and snow is infrequent.
Infrequent, huh?

For the past tens of thousands of years, snow has been 'infrequent' on this dome?

You know this for a fact? or does this come from just the last 100 years or so of observation?
 
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Infrequent, huh?

For the past tens of thousands of years, snow has been 'infrequent' on this dome?

You know this for a fact? or does this come from just the last 100 years or so of observation?

Yes, I know that as a fact. That is what ice cores reveal, past climate information. Now did you review the OP like I asked?
 
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I can understand that, since it clearly shows that the depth of snow or ice has nothing to do with ice core chronology.

and it would also show how wrong he is about a young earth.

they can link up tree rings as well. if you get tree A that was planted in 1920 (by counting the rings) and tree B that was planted in 1860 and died in 1940 you can match up the last 20 years of rings of tree B with the first 20 years of tree A (because the rings are different sizes every year and can reflect changes in weather and climate etc).

Using this method they can go back about 12,000 years i believe. or about twice as old as the bible claims the earth is, lol.

they can also do something similar with coral too i think.

the funny thing is, the weather patterns and volcanic events etc that the tree rings show match perfectly with what the ice cores show.

man, that god of yours sure is clever to go to all the trouble of planting multiple types of related evidence just to try and trick us all that the earth is 4.5 billion years old when it actually is only 6 thousand years old!
 
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