I wonder what's next...

[fieldsofwind]

Ohh, I think we might agree on more than you think--you never know--we still haven't had lunch.

 

[PastorFreud]

You still haven't sent a plane ticket. You are such a tease!

 

[fieldsofwind]

lol, really laughing actually--thats nice, but... a plane ticket? Oh come on now. We'll split it 50/50 at least.

Hey, when I become president, I'll check up on this forum, and we'll dine at the white house.

 

[Outspoken]

"not the point. if there was a GLBT commitee handing out rainbow coloured candy-canes at christmas, or some similar item at a Gay Pride Week"

During Gay pride week one of my teachers did something quite similar to that thanks

"I guess you didn't go to a rural HS in TX in the 90s then. "

sorry this doesn't work, I do live in texas and pretty much all of my friends went to rural HS thanks, yours is the exception, not the rule You should have sued the school, or at least addressed it. Just because you didn't press the issue doesn't mean the school did or did not supported it.


"First, I don't believe you - and since you didn't follow them around all day, you can't even say what did (or did not) happen to them"

You don't have to believe me, I know it to be true, I ate lunch with the guy everyday and had in him a class

"On the next day, despite warnings that they could be suspended, seven students passed out about 450 candy canes in the hallways and at lunch, Grabowski said. "

so I guess at lunch they have to ban the talking about relgion too, or anything of that nature. Sorry, it don't work like that. It was not force on anyone, it was an optional thing, take the candy read the story attached or don't.

"WorldNutDaily is a unreliable, rightwing and biased source. "

So says the red colored marker maker Sorry, you're not on the censer board

 

[juiblex]

"not the point. if there was a GLBT commitee handing out rainbow coloured candy-canes at christmas, or some similar item at a Gay Pride Week"

During Gay pride week one of my teachers did something quite similar to that thanks

i guess you have no answer to my question if you are so unwilling to answer it. perhaps you could have saved me the time and bandwidth by simply typing "i dont know", but no, you have to look as though you are in the right, even if that means completely evading the question.

 

[Outspoken]

"even if that means completely evading the question"

Hmm...depends on if I had read it or not, if I had maybe so. I don't see that happening though, so what's your point? What ifs play no real pragmatic part in the world.

 

[Lacmeh]

Outspoken, you state, in answer, that one of the teachers did something like the students did through an homosexual activist week. I imagine, that there were some people protesting against this. The question now is, did you react to those protesters the same way, you react now in defense of those students handing out candies with biblical verses?

 

[juiblex]

Hmm...depends on if I had read it or not, if I had maybe so. I don't see that happening though, so what's your point?

you wouldnt respond even if i outlined it. so, feel free to continue your ramblings without me.

What ifs play no real pragmatic part in the world.

nor does discussion on some isolated discussion board in the midst of the swirling pools called "internet". and even worse, sockpuppets spouting nothing more than rhetoric.

 

[juiblex]

Originally posted by Lacmeh
Outspoken, you state, in answer, that one of the teachers did something like the students did through an homosexual activist week. I imagine, that there were some people protesting against this. The question now is, did you react to those protesters the same way, you react now in defense of those students handing out candies with biblical verses?

indeed Lacmeh, im glad somebody was reading if not the creator of the thread.

 

[notto]

From the WND story:
"Last month, members of the L.I.F.E. Bible Club at Westfield High School in Westfield, Mass., decided to pass out candy canes before Christmas to fellow students. According to a statement from Liberty Counsel, the civil-liberties legal defense organization working on the teens' behalf, the candy canes were attached to a folded card containing Bible verses. The card also told the story of a candy can maker who wanted to invent a candy that helped spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. "

I think its funny that the story that these students had attached to the candy cane is false.

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/candycane.htm

I think the school should use that as their defense. ("We didn't want to allow the students to pass out false propoganda").

 

[Stormy]

I think that people should quit making a big fuss over every little thing.

Children in court because of candy?

sheesh

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by Stormy
I think that people should quit making a big fuss over every little thing.

Children in court because of candy?

sheesh

I agree with you. It's a little silly if you ask me.

 

[Nelzador]

Anyway, what's the chief rule: Don't take candy from strangers

 

[crazyfingers]

Originally posted by PastorFreud
I hate to agree with my right wing fanatic fringe brethren, but I do in this case. As far as I can tell, the chess club, the scouts, the wiccan group, the mormons, or any other STUDENT LEAD and ORGANIZED has the right to form a club and promote it on campus. 

Hmm.  I thought that I was supporting their rights and I think that I'm not a right wing fanatic.

There are of course guidelines, which I posted. 

 

[Outspoken]

"I imagine, that there were some people protesting against this. "

Hmm..I don't remember hearing about any protestors, maybe its because I really didn't pay attention to it...? I wasn't what you'd call a christian at the time

"nor does discussion on some isolated discussion board in the midst of the swirling pools called "internet". "

False analogy. These things happen, the other doesn't.

 

[alonesoldier]

I've said it once and I will say it again. We need a group like the ACLU to keep the government in line. But that is not what they are about anymore. The fact is that if these students had been passing out condoms, anti-war propaganda or wiccan litterature their would not be a problem. Our civil liberty friends only come to the rescue when it is the evil right wingers passing out candy canes with bible verses.

-Nicholas

 

[Lacmeh]

Alonesoldier, you mix up very different things.

Passing out condoms is something, that would be categorized under sex ed/pregnancy prevention.
Passing out anti war Propagande (wether to be anti war is right or wrong) is a secular political matter.
Passing out non Christian religious literature is a religious activity.

The question stands, do all religions have the same chance to pass out their propaganda? If non Christian religious literature would be handed out, would there be protest from Christian groups or not? If the answer is yes, then any other religious group or groups have the same right.

 

[alonesoldier]

The answer is no Lacmeh, you seem to have left out that included wiccan material in my argument.

The situation is simple. We have a first admendment rights in this country which are not surrendered upon entering public property.

I have no problem with letting other religions have that same right. So long as it is not interfearing with class and no teacher is using their position to indoctrinate students one way or the other I am fine with it.

The whole issue revolves around the idea that parents should be the only persons in authority that makes decisions about their childs up-brining. This exculdes taking away their peers right to an opinon.

-Nicholas

 

[crazyfingers]

Originally posted by alonesoldier
I've said it once and I will say it again. We need a group like the ACLU to keep the government in line. But that is not what they are about anymore. The fact is that if these students had been passing out condoms, anti-war propaganda or wiccan litterature their would not be a problem. Our civil liberty friends only come to the rescue when it is the evil right wingers passing out candy canes with bible verses.

-Nicholas

 

You do know that the ACLU is SUPPORTING the rights of those kids to distribute the candy canes, Yes?

Unfortunately there is too much distoirtion in the christian media about the ACLU. Note the WorldNetDaily story that implied that the ACLU was against the kids giving out the candy canes when in fact they support the kids.

 

[Sauron]

Originally posted by PastorFreud
I hate to agree with my right wing fanatic fringe brethren, but I do in this case. As far as I can tell, the chess club, the scouts, the wiccan group, the mormons, or any other STUDENT LEAD and ORGANIZED has the right to form a club and promote it on campus.

There is no club involved here.  It's just proselytization, without a club or organization involved.