I thought I had them at the flood, but...

[Daniel Martinovich]

Are you capable of naming one in particular?

Pewe 1975a’.
‘Alaska, like northern Siberia, has long been famous for the abundant remains of extinct Pleistocene mammals, found in frozen deposits along major rivers and in the valleys of many minor streams. The earliest account of these fossils seems to be that of Kotzebue (1821, p. who found abundant vertebrate remains at Elephant Point in Eschscholtz Bay during his expedition to the Chukchi Sea in 1816). F. W. Beechey also collected there, and the mammal bones were reported by Buckland (1831). Because early explorers (Dall, 1869, 1873) reported a great abundance of bones, several expeditions were conducted in Alaska in the hope of finding complete skeletons or perhaps even frozen carcasses comparable with those found in Siberia (Maddren, 1905; Gilmore, 1908; Quackenbush, 1909). When large-scale gold mining began in the Fairbanks district in 1928, extensive fossil collecting was undertaken there and elsewhere in Alaska by the late 0. W. Geist and others on behalf of the American Museum of Natural History. A small part of this material has been described by Frick (1937) and Skinner and Kaisen (1947). Later, Geist and others collected vertebrate fossils from the Fairbanks area and northern Alaska for the Museum of the University of Alaska. Some of the most detailed work ever done on the late Pleistocene mammals in central and western Alaska was that by Guthrie (1966a, b, c; 1967; 1968a, b; Guthrie and Matthews, 1971), who studied collections that he had made, as well as the vast collection of Geist.

‘The greatest collection of vertebrate specimens is from the Fairbanks area, where tens of thousands of specimens have been collected during the past 30 years. For example, in 1938, a typical year, 8,008 cataloged specimens weighing about 8 tons were collected by 0. W. Geist and shipped to the American Museum of Natural History in New York City (University of Alaska, “Collegian,” 1938, fall). Partial lists of mammals from the Fairbanks area were given by Frick (1930, 1937), Wilkerson (1932, p. 422), Mertie (1937, p. 191), Stock (1942), Hibben (1943), Taber (1943, p. 1487), Skinner and Kaisen (1947), Skarland (1949, p. 132-133), Pewe (1952a, table 4), Geist (1953), Pewe and Hopkins (1967), and Guthrie (1968a).

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Indeed, i can conceive of many fossils, probably hundreds if i cared to spend the time, that are not found in coal beds

Lol. Because it does not fit with your taughtology. Yet the very same illustrious science organizations that have been teaching for decades that coal fields are nothing but peat moss similar to what you find in Great Briton today. Those very same illustrious organizations ignored or claimed illustrious science organizations from the pasts discoveries of coal beds made up of tropical forests were hoaxes. Also claimed “out of place” fossil finds in those coal beds were hoaxes.
Government funded and imposed science is a political position based on taughtology. As opposed to honest science that goes wherever the data leads them.

 

[Job 33:6]

Lol. Because it does not fit with your taughtology. Yet the very same illustrious science organizations that have been teaching for decades that coal fields are nothing but peat moss similar to what you find in Great Briton today. Those very same illustrious organizations ignored or claimed illustrious science organizations from the pasts discoveries of coal beds made up of tropical forests were hoaxes. Also claimed “out of place” fossil finds in those coal beds were hoaxes.
Government funded and imposed science is a political position based on taughtology. As opposed to honest science that goes wherever the data leads them.

I am not government funded, and I have scoured coal beds for fossils. I havent found anything abnormal, nor have any other geologists I know.

It sounds like the best argument you have is one of a conspiracy theorist.

 

[Job 33:6]

Pewe 1975a’.
‘Alaska, like northern Siberia, has long been famous for the abundant remains of extinct Pleistocene mammals, found in frozen deposits along major rivers and in the valleys of many minor streams. The earliest account of these fossils seems to be that of Kotzebue (1821, p. who found abundant vertebrate remains at Elephant Point in Eschscholtz Bay during his expedition to the Chukchi Sea in 1816). F.

Pewe 1975a’.
‘Alaska, like northern Siberia, has long been famous for the abundant remains of extinct Pleistocene mammals, found in frozen deposits along major rivers and in the valleys of many minor streams. The earliest account of these fossils seems to be that of Kotzebue (1821, p. who found abundant vertebrate remains at Elephant Point in Eschscholtz Bay during his expedition to the Chukchi Sea in 1816). F. W. Beechey also collected there, and the mammal bones were reported by Buckland (1831). Because early explorers (Dall, 1869, 1873) reported a great abundance of bones, several expeditions were conducted in Alaska in the hope of finding complete skeletons or perhaps even frozen carcasses comparable with those found in Siberia (Maddren, 1905; Gilmore, 1908; Quackenbush, 1909). When large-scale gold mining began in the Fairbanks district in 1928, extensive fossil collecting was undertaken there and elsewhere in Alaska by the late 0. W. Geist and others on behalf of the American Museum of Natural History. A small part of this material has been described by Frick (1937) and Skinner and Kaisen (1947). Later, Geist and others collected vertebrate fossils from the Fairbanks area and northern Alaska for the Museum of the University of Alaska. Some of the most detailed work ever done on the late Pleistocene mammals in central and western Alaska was that by Guthrie (1966a, b, c; 1967; 1968a, b; Guthrie and Matthews, 1971), who studied collections that he had made, as well as the vast collection of Geist.

‘The greatest collection of vertebrate specimens is from the Fairbanks area, where tens of thousands of specimens have been collected during the past 30 years. For example, in 1938, a typical year, 8,008 cataloged specimens weighing about 8 tons were collected by 0. W. Geist and shipped to the American Museum of Natural History in New York City (University of Alaska, “Collegian,” 1938, fall). Partial lists of mammals from the Fairbanks area were given by Frick (1930, 1937), Wilkerson (1932, p. 422), Mertie (1937, p. 191), Stock (1942), Hibben (1943), Taber (1943, p. 1487), Skinner and Kaisen (1947), Skarland (1949, p. 132-133), Pewe (1952a, table 4), Geist (1953), Pewe and Hopkins (1967), and Guthrie (1968a).

of Natural History. A small part of this material has been described by Frick (1937) and Skinner and Kaisen (1947). Later, Geist and others collected vertebrate fossils from the Fairbanks area and northern Alaska for the Museum of the University of Alaska. Some of the most detailed work ever done on the late Pleistocene mammals in central and western Alaska was that by Guthrie (1966a, b, c; 1967; 1968a, b; Guthrie and Matthews, 1971), who studied collections that he had made, as well as the vast collection of Geist.

‘The greatest collection of vertebrate specimens is from the Fairbanks area, where tens of thousands of specimens have been collected during the past 30 years. For example, in 1938, a typical year, 8,008 cataloged specimens weighing about 8 tons were collected by 0. W. Geist and shipped to the American Museum of Natural History in New York City (University of Alaska, “Collegian,” 1938, fall). Partial lists of mammals from the Fairbanks area were given by Frick (1930, 1937), Wilkerson (1932, p. 422), Mertie (1937, p. 191), Stock (1942), Hibben (1943), Taber (1943, p. 1487), Skinner and Kaisen (1947), Skarland (1949, p. 132-133), Pewe (1952a, table 4), Geist (1953), Pewe and Hopkins (1967), and Guthrie (1968a).

Thanks,

so lets start by asking, what is it about this particular locality, that you find incredible or unbelievable? Lets say the fairbanks area.

 

[Job 33:6]

I dont really understand. If you do not think the collection of these fossils is due to a global flood, but rather a localized catastrophe, then this isnt necessarily something that conflicts with old earth geology or the lack of a global flood. Small scale catastrophes are known to have occurred in earth history.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

I am not government funded, and I have scoured coal beds for fossils. I havent found anything abnormal, nor have any other geologists I know.

It sounds like the best argument you have is one of a conspiracy theorist.

Sorry,
Not conspiracy that the consensus of government funded academic science ignores the elephant in the room of just how millions of square miles of coal beds got buried under sediment some times a mile thick.

Neither is it a conspiracy that to avoid having to discuss past finds in scientific papers of some coal fields being forests and fossil anomalies they just regulated the worlds coal fields to bring ancient peat bogs. Not that a peat bog can’t become a coal field. But that does not justify the academic malpractice.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Thanks,

so lets start by asking, what is it about this particular locality, that you find incredible or unbelievable? Lets say the fairbanks area.

Nothing incredible or unbelievable. Just a tiny microcosm of what is found all over the arctic.

 

[Job 33:6]

Nothing incredible or unbelievable. Just a tiny microcosm of what is found all over the arctic.

It's unique to pleistocene strata. If you don't actually think that a flood was responsible for this, then your perspective I can't say necessarily runs against my own. Unless you see something that seems unbelievable about how it would align with old earth geology

 

[Job 33:6]

Sorry,
Not conspiracy that the consensus of government funded academic science ignores the elephant in the room of just how millions of square miles of coal beds got buried under sediment some times a mile thick.

Neither is it a conspiracy that to avoid having to discuss past finds in scientific papers of some coal fields being forests and fossil anomalies they just regulated the worlds coal fields to bring ancient peat bogs. Not that a peat bog can’t become a coal field. But that does not justify the academic malpractice.

Do you have research for this? I don't find anything unbelievable about coal beds originating as peat bogs. Geochemically, coal is the same thing as peat. Coal and some shale beds are also jam packed with things like plant fossils.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lignite

Lignite is a softer combustible form of anthracite or bituminous coal, geochemically identical. It's just compressed peat.

Also, i dont know what fossil anomalies youre referring to.

 

[Job 33:6]

Looks like fossils of the fairbanks area are attributed to solifluction, gradual mass wasting along a surface with freezing and thawing which prevents infiltration, the area is further described as fans of silt deposted from a steep hillside that are typically vegetated with shrubs.

"During heavy rain or rapid snow melt, enormous quantities (of silt) could be moved over a short period of time. Silt particles come out of suspension and are deposited as fans or bars"

page 58.

https://books.google.com/books?id=cuQhsNQcKMYC&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=Pewe+1975a’+fossil&source=bl&ots=L3Zbc99KtI&sig=L3rvvYGMzonzNjmONmpRdIFKNio&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi2tMiz44rdAhXwx1kKHWNqC4MQ6AEwAHoECAEQAQ#v=onepage&q=Pewe 1975a’ fossil peat&f=false

The peat layers are in interstadial bands, indicating a cycling environment. The area warms, vegetation grows in, soil creep and mass wasting buries the vegetation, the environment cools, cracked soils fill with water which subsequently freezes, leaving layers of ice wedges between layers of peat. Peat becomes lignite, lignite further decomposes to more other forms of coal.

I'm not seeing anything abnormal here.

 

[pat34lee]

The most common type of environment that may be anoxic is a body of water. Swamps or hypereutrophic water bodies are commonly devoid of dissolved oxygen.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/anoxic-environment-definition-conditions.html

In many cases, we see signs that decay had begun prior to burial, which is incompatible with sudden burial:
There is no indication of feathering on the upper neck and head. While these conceivably may have been nude, this may still be an artefact of preservation. It appears that most Archaeopteryx specimens became embedded in anoxic sediment after drifting some time on their backs in the sea—the head, neck and the tail are generally bent downward, which suggests that the specimens had just started to rot when they were embedded, with tendons and muscle relaxing so that the characteristic shape (death pose) of the fossil specimens was achieved.[29] This would mean that the skin already was softened and loose, which is bolstered by the fact that in some specimens the flight feathers were starting to detach at the point of embedding in the sediment. So it is hypothesized that the pertinent specimens moved along the sea bed in shallow water for some time before burial, the head and upper neck feathers sloughing off, while the more firmly attached tail feathers remained.[30]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeopteryx

How long does it take for some rotting to occur?
In a warm, moist environment, a few days at most.

How many fossils show signs of predation or infestation
by flies or other scavengers that usually begin within
minutes of death?

 

[The Barbarian]

How long does it take for some rotting to occur?
In a warm, moist environment, a few days at most.

For a human body, 8 to 12 years if buried in soil without embalming or a casket. A few years for a large bird.
http://www.memorialpages.co.uk/articles/decomposition.php

How many fossils show signs of predation or infestation by flies or other scavengers that usually begin within minutes of death?

Fossil Lake is thought to have been density stratified like an estuary. Heavier (more dense) salt water occupies the deepest sections of the lake and lighter (less dense) freshwater ‘floats’ above in the shallows (a remnant of an evaporative phase when the lake was young). This prevents freshwater scavengers from eating dead animals that fell to the bottom of the lake. Lake turnover (where anoxic waters at the bottom mix with oxygen rich water near the surface) did not occur, creating perpetual anoxic conditions along the bottom which discouraged scavengers]. Once an animal dies in a place where preservation is likely, it becomes buried in sediment and protected from scavengers and bacteria. The examination of the second step (what happens after death and how animals become fossils) is considered the science of Taphonomy, discussed below.
https://www.nps.gov/teachers/classrooms/the_fossil_cycle.htm

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

It's unique to pleistocene strata. If you don't actually think that a flood was responsible for this, then your perspective I can't say necessarily runs against my own. Unless you see something that seems unbelievable about how it would align with old earth geology

I think the flood is responsible for all the major sedimentary layers outside small recent localized ones and the last 6 millennia of river sediment in the oceans.
I also think the scientific conjecture of geologists and paleontologists and other scientists that believe in Noah's flood regarding a few hundreds years of post flood world wide catastrophicism is quite rational based on the evidence out there. That being said they were not there and there is no recorded history so it will always remain conjecture based on the raw data available. Best their speculations can do is to not be able to be proven wrong or right. Unlike macro evolution which is the most discredited scientific conjecture known to mankind.

There was however one large known mass extinction event after the flood that is not only in Bible prophecy but recorded by ancient civilizations that have written history and survived it.
The prophecy is Revelation 11:14-19 and repeated in Revelation 16:17-20 The seven trumpets and seven vials were prophesies of what would happen to the Roman empire but specifically the city of Rome for its persecution of the saints. That is the "three woes." The seventh judgement coincides with the third woe. The city of Rome was conquered and sacked for the third time and depopulated. At that same time this world wide calamity hit. This is what I said about it in my article on End Time Prophecy. Might have written this part in 2011:
Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightning's; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague was exceedingly great.
There are a number of reasons this article is placing these seven judgments in the time period of the destruction of the western half of the Roman Empire ending in 546 A.D. rather than the destruction of the entire empire ending in 1453 A.D. The scripture does not interpret these judgments, (outside of indisputably placing all of these events within the big picture of the age of the gentiles ending with the demise of the Roman Empire.) Below is a list of those reasons. Again, hyperlinks will open in a new window to the relevant parts of the article for easy viewing and comparison of the exact reference.

1.Their placement in the visions immediately following the destruction of Jerusalem, the great harvest of souls empire wide and the great persecutions that occurred immediately prior to the western empire experiencing multiple calamities leading to it's demise.

2. There were three woes spoken of in the in the first vision. The three woe's accompanied 5th, 6th and 7th judgment's, one woe per judgment. The city of Rome was conquered three times during this time period. The last time was in 546A.D. at the end of the 7th judgment.

3. There were seven "thunders" in Revelation 10 that could be assumed to be seven further judgments upon the Roman Empire beyond these first seven. In other words if the first seven judgments bring down the western half, a second seven could possibly be referring to the calamities that bring down the eastern half.

4.The placement of these seven judgments in the vision to the chapters that follow. In chapters 17-18 the city of Rome is illustrated and it demise spoken of as finished following the seventh judgment. However in the 19th chapter the coming of the Lord in judgment is illustrated in the conquering of the whole empire and the end of the age of the gentiles. This then is followed by illustrations of the promised kingdom of God just as the chronology of book of Daniel repeatedly prophesies it. In other words the promised kingdom of God does not find it's beginnings prophesied after the these seven judgments but instead after another added day of judgment in chapter 19 future to these days of judgment. 5. The relation of the seventh judgment and the third woe to the soft date mentioned before. This will be covered in the next section.

6. Finally; a world wide calamity that fits the wording of the seventh judgment occurred at that time. Outside of the world wide flood of Noah there may be nothing that has ever happened to the planet on this scale. Although this catastrophe is new and controversial to modern science it was not new to historians of days past. It is possible that half the worlds population perished at this time. Whole civilizations disappeared. This started in 535 A.D. and ended in 546 A.D. Half the worlds population perishing during those 11 years is a description of the magnitude of the event and not a statement of scientific fact. Who knows how many species of plants and animals may have gone extinct also. Since articles on this come and go on the internet. The ones linked may disappear. Simply entering (AD 535-546) in your search engine should yield plenty of articles on the subject and the plagues tied to a planet wide catastrophe."

http://www.masterjules.net/535.htm

https://www.relfe.com/07/super_volcano_ice_age.html

These are just two articles on the subject that speculate on what caused this. There are many more since I wrote the article. When I first found out about this I immediately began to wonder if this was responsible for the disappearance of most of the ancient civilizations in the America's. Dating methods are so hosed up that I thought this was the most reasonable explanation for it. Low and behold since then there are now many researchers speculating, studying and finding correlating evidence that that just might be the case. When you asked me a legit question about sedimentary layers under Siberian muck and I found out the latest scientific conjecture by both creation and secular scientists about loess storms burying all those animals in the arctic even down into north America. MY very first thought was. "I wonder......could it be this world wide catastrophe????" But I have no one to discuss it with.

 

[Job 33:6]

I think the flood is responsible for all the major sedimentary layers outside small recent localized ones and the last 6 millennia of river sediment in the oceans.
I also think the scientific conjecture of geologists and paleontologists and other scientists that believe in Noah's flood regarding a few hundreds years of post flood world wide catastrophicism is quite rational based on the evidence out there. That being said they were not there and there is no recorded history so it will always remain conjecture based on the raw data available. Best their speculations can do is to not be able to be proven wrong or right. Unlike macro evolution which is the most discredited scientific conjecture known to mankind.

There was however one large known mass extinction event after the flood that is not only in Bible prophecy but recorded by ancient civilizations that have written history and survived it.
The prophecy is Revelation 11:14-19 and repeated in Revelation 16:17-20 The seven trumpets and seven vials were prophesies of what would happen to the Roman empire but specifically the city of Rome for its persecution of the saints. That is the "three woes." The seventh judgement coincides with the third woe. The city of Rome was conquered and sacked for the third time and depopulated. At that same time this world wide calamity hit. This is what I said about it in my article on End Time Prophecy. Might have written this part in 2011:
Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightning's; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague was exceedingly great.
There are a number of reasons this article is placing these seven judgments in the time period of the destruction of the western half of the Roman Empire ending in 546 A.D. rather than the destruction of the entire empire ending in 1453 A.D. The scripture does not interpret these judgments, (outside of indisputably placing all of these events within the big picture of the age of the gentiles ending with the demise of the Roman Empire.) Below is a list of those reasons. Again, hyperlinks will open in a new window to the relevant parts of the article for easy viewing and comparison of the exact reference.

1.Their placement in the visions immediately following the destruction of Jerusalem, the great harvest of souls empire wide and the great persecutions that occurred immediately prior to the western empire experiencing multiple calamities leading to it's demise.

2. There were three woes spoken of in the in the first vision. The three woe's accompanied 5th, 6th and 7th judgment's, one woe per judgment. The city of Rome was conquered three times during this time period. The last time was in 546A.D. at the end of the 7th judgment.

3. There were seven "thunders" in Revelation 10 that could be assumed to be seven further judgments upon the Roman Empire beyond these first seven. In other words if the first seven judgments bring down the western half, a second seven could possibly be referring to the calamities that bring down the eastern half.

4.The placement of these seven judgments in the vision to the chapters that follow. In chapters 17-18 the city of Rome is illustrated and it demise spoken of as finished following the seventh judgment. However in the 19th chapter the coming of the Lord in judgment is illustrated in the conquering of the whole empire and the end of the age of the gentiles. This then is followed by illustrations of the promised kingdom of God just as the chronology of book of Daniel repeatedly prophesies it. In other words the promised kingdom of God does not find it's beginnings prophesied after the these seven judgments but instead after another added day of judgment in chapter 19 future to these days of judgment. 5. The relation of the seventh judgment and the third woe to the soft date mentioned before. This will be covered in the next section.

6. Finally; a world wide calamity that fits the wording of the seventh judgment occurred at that time. Outside of the world wide flood of Noah there may be nothing that has ever happened to the planet on this scale. Although this catastrophe is new and controversial to modern science it was not new to historians of days past. It is possible that half the worlds population perished at this time. Whole civilizations disappeared. This started in 535 A.D. and ended in 546 A.D. Half the worlds population perishing during those 11 years is a description of the magnitude of the event and not a statement of scientific fact. Who knows how many species of plants and animals may have gone extinct also. Since articles on this come and go on the internet. The ones linked may disappear. Simply entering (AD 535-546) in your search engine should yield plenty of articles on the subject and the plagues tied to a planet wide catastrophe."

http://www.masterjules.net/535.htm

https://www.relfe.com/07/super_volcano_ice_age.html

These are just two articles on the subject that speculate on what caused this. There are many more since I wrote the article. When I first found out about this I immediately began to wonder if this was responsible for the disappearance of most of the ancient civilizations in the America's. Dating methods are so hosed up that I thought this was the most reasonable explanation for it. Low and behold since then there are now many researchers speculating, studying and finding correlating evidence that that just might be the case. When you asked me a legit question about sedimentary layers under Siberian muck and I found out the latest scientific conjecture by both creation and secular scientists about loess storms burying all those animals in the arctic even down into north America. MY very first thought was. "I wonder......could it be this world wide catastrophe????" But I have no one to discuss it with.

????

Can we continue talking about the fairbanks area? What kind of a response is this?

The first and second paragraphs arent a response, its just random talking. The third paragraph has random commentary about revelations and the roman empire, then more about the roman empire and the destruction of jerusalem. Then you mention the book of danielle, then a world wide flood which you dont seem to believe actually held any role in the fossilization of these mammaths, then you post some random links.

The only part of the above post that has any relation to anything that I have said above was; "I found out the latest scientific conjecture by both creation and secular scientists about loess storms burying all those animals in the arctic even down into north America.".

So, care to share that scientific paper regarding sedimentation? Or would you like to respond to my prior posts?

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

????

Can we continue talking about the fairbanks area? What kind of a response is this?

The first and second paragraphs arent a response, its just random talking. The third paragraph has random commentary about revelations and the roman empire, then more about the roman empire and the destruction of jerusalem. Then you mention the book of danielle, then a world wide flood which you dont seem to believe actually held any role in the fossilization of these mammaths, then you post some random links.

The only part of the above post that has any relation to anything that I have said above was; "I found out the latest scientific conjecture by both creation and secular scientists about loess storms burying all those animals in the arctic even down into north America.".

So, care to share that scientific paper regarding sedimentation? Or would you like to respond to my prior posts?

No we can't continue to talk about the Fairbanks area because the Fairbanks area represents the whole of the arctic and I could have just as easily picked a 100 different locations. As long as you keep ignoring the elephant in the room, mass extinctions and burials of trillions of animals creating fossils or in the case of many mammoths, freezing in permafrost muck above sedimentary layers. Something NOT HAPPENING in our current world in any measurable comparative fashion. Then forget it. I just gave you what I call the second largest mass extinction event known to mankind. The first being the flood. I gave you scriptural evidence for it albeit very difficult to understand prophecy plus current research on it and you seem to have no curiosity whatsoever. Did you even know about that? I mean your should since it has been all over PBS and the Discovery channel and such for the last ten years.

 

[Job 33:6]

No we can't continue to talk about the Fairbanks area because the Fairbanks area represents the whole of the arctic and I could have just as easily picked a 100 different locations. As long as you keep ignoring the elephant in the room, mass extinctions and burials of trillions of animals creating fossils or in the case of many mammoths, freezing in permafrost muck above sedimentary layers. Something NOT HAPPENING in our current world in any measurable comparative fashion. Then forget it. I just gave you what I call the second largest mass extinction event known to mankind. The first being the flood. I gave you scriptural evidence for it albeit very difficult to understand prophecy plus current research on it and you seem to have no curiosity whatsoever. Did you even know about that? I mean your should since it has been all over PBS and the Discovery channel and such for the last ten years.

You wanted to talk about the Fairbanks area. You noted it. Again, if you have a specialist locality, then present it. And I'm not ignoring anything, you just seem to be unable to provide information on what you're talking about about. I've asked several times now that you present research or some information identify what features you're talking about and you still haven't done that. All you've done is randomly gone off on tangents about the roman empire and Revelations.


I'll ask yet again, what locality are you troubled by?

 

[Job 33:6]

Also, I already responded above. We have interstadial bands of coal and ice wedges in areas where these mammoths are being found. Which indicates an environment going through repeated cycles of warming and cooling. These fossils are also being found in places where mass wasting has occurred, ie large amounts of erosion caused by runoff overtop steep topographic slopes.

So unless you have another location in mind, I don't see anything controversial about this.

Also, you seemed troubled by the idea that coal of these areas was formed by the decompassion of peat bogs. But as I mentioned earlier, we have layers of lignite in alaska, which are geochemically identical to other forms of coal around the world and physically exist as just compressed peat. That's what coal is, it's decomposed, compressed organic matter. Which is all that a peat bog is. It's just organics.

 

[Job 33:6]

No we can't continue to talk about the Fairbanks area because the Fairbanks area represents the whole of the arctic and I could have just as easily picked a 100 different locations. As long as you keep ignoring the elephant in the room, mass extinctions and burials of trillions of animals creating fossils or in the case of many mammoths, freezing in permafrost muck above sedimentary layers. Something NOT HAPPENING in our current world in any measurable comparative fashion. Then forget it. I just gave you what I call the second largest mass extinction event known to mankind. The first being the flood. I gave you scriptural evidence for it albeit very difficult to understand prophecy plus current research on it and you seem to have no curiosity whatsoever. Did you even know about that? I mean your should since it has been all over PBS and the Discovery channel and such for the last ten years.

Also, i asked you what locality you were referring to with respect to sedimentary layers over "muck". And you havent said where this actually is, nor have you presented any actual research on it. You seem to be troubled by mammoth fossils and why they are present, but thats exactly what I've been talking about in my above posts. In the fairbanks area described above, theyre buried along a historically eroded slope along a hillside.

And no, mammoths are not being burried in modern times because theyre extinct, however, mass wasting and the formation of ice wedges is something we still see in modern times. We dont see the formation of lignite overnight in these northern regions because these are cycles that take tens of thousands of years to repeat. The pleistocene and the fossils you are referring to, formed over a timespan of 2 and a half million years.

And there many times during ice ages, interglacial times, when temperatures had risen, glaciers retreated, plants grew, mass wasting occured, then temperatures dropped and the area was frozen over again, over and over and over again.

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[Daniel Martinovich]

Also, i asked you what locality you were referring to with respect to sedimentary layers over "muck". And you havent said where this actually is, nor have you presented any actual research on it. You seem to be troubled by mammoth fossils and why they are present, but thats exactly what I've been talking about in my above posts. In the fairbanks area described above, theyre buried along a historically eroded slope along a hillside.

And no, mammoths are not being burried in modern times because theyre extinct, however, mass wasting and the formation of ice wedges is something we still see in modern times. We dont see the formation of lignite overnight in these northern regions because these are cycles that take tens of thousands of years to repeat. The pleistocene and the fossils you are referring to, formed over a timespan of 2 and a half million years.

And there many times during ice ages, interglacial times, when temperatures had risen, glaciers retreated, plants grew, mass wasting occured, then temperatures dropped and the area was frozen over again, over and over and over again.

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Simply no. The cycles you refer to are imagenery and the evidence is there for all to see which is: There is no mass fossilization going on today because the conditions for mass fossilization are not present. The elephant in the room is still there and your efforts to control the conversation are not changing that.
PS Sedimentary layers under the muck. Why am I even talking to you?

 

[Job 33:6]

Cyclical patterns of deposition are recorded in stone.