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[JoabAnias]

yes and no... if it can't get past the head and never get down to the heart- the culpability may be decreased.

Are you saying my salvation is dependant on how I "feel"? That speaks to me of the dead faith scenario.
Even a stoic can choose to do what they know is Gods will without ever feeling it right? Would good fruit be lacking without "feeling" it?

I prefer the "both and" approach to the integration of human intellect and emotion. Much how JPII taught us how faith and reason compliment.

 

[Joshua G.]

I think perhaps we are all reading into each other's words a bit. No one is saying we are saved a theology exam or by how good we feel.

We all agree that we are saved by sacraments, prayer, repentance and ultimately God's grace. To the extent that knowledge and feeling help us on our journey of theosis is the point up to which those aspects are important and that can differ greatly from individual to individual.

Can we all agree on that? I don't know that I have seen anyone (benedictoo, meepy or myself included) who has said anything that contradicts that.

Josh

 

[benedictaoo]

Are you saying my salvation is dependant on how I "feel"? That speaks to me of the dead faith scenario.
Even a stoic can choose to do what they know is Gods will without ever feeling it right? Would good fruit be lacking without "feeling" it?

I prefer the "both and" approach to the integration of human intellect and emotion. Much how JPII taught us how faith and reason compliment.

Joab, do you not know me by now? You think I think that? Seriously?

Just saying if we just learn the faith and take away a less then correct understanding of it becuase we miss the forest through the trees focusing on the academics of it and we never actually practice it, live it fully- I don't know if that constitutes having full knowledge or not.

 

[benedictaoo]

I think perhaps we are all reading into each other's words a bit. No one is saying we are saved a theology exam or by how good we feel.

We all agree that we are saved by sacraments, prayer, repentance and ultimately God's grace. To the extent that knowledge and feeling help us on our journey of theosis is the point up to which those aspects are important and that can differ greatly from individual to individual.

Can we all agree on that? I don't know that I have seen anyone (benedictoo, meepy or myself included) who has said anything that contradicts that.

Josh

I can.

 

[JoabAnias]

Joab, do you not know me by now? You think I think that? Seriously?

Just saying if we just learn the faith and take away a less then correct understanding of it because we miss the forest through the trees focusing on the academics of it and we never actually practice it, live it fully- I don't know if that constitutes having full knowledge or not.

No, I was quite sure you didn't thing that. I admit, I was playing devils advocate a bit to get some clarification.
- So you could clarify with more of that wisdom God gave ya.
I thought you would pick up on my intent. Sorry to be cryptic.

Honestly, my value for learning comes from being called a dummy half my life. Ridicule can mess a person up.

Yes, I rather value learning. Perhaps too much sometimes. Even though I think I am rather dumb myself, I've always wished I were smarter. If we needed to learn, to gain heaven, I would already be doomed. I do believe if we grow in the faith enough we will be called to give an answer for the belief that is in us as Scripture speaks of but that process is a work as a result of faith.

I go back to my youth and being dummer than a pounded thumb and remember how much hell I caused myself. I really did some dumb things and learned everything the hard way. I'd guess you have at least seen that wild side of others.

You know what the funny thing is, no matter how much I learn, I am always my own worst enemy. Kind of ironic huh? I just cannot save myself for the life of me.

At one point, for a while, I wished I was as ignorant as I used to be because at least then I wouldn't be as culpable for what I knew I was freely choosing, if you know what I mean, but then I realized that was as false as thinking I could learn myself out of being dumb. It just isn't going to happen this side of eternity.

 

[benedictaoo]

No, I was quite sure you didn't thing that. I admit, I was playing devils advocate a bit to get some clarification.
- So you could clarify with more of that wisdom God gave ya.
I thought you would pick up on my intent. Sorry to be cryptic.

Honestly, my value for learning comes from being called a dummy half my life. Ridicule can mess a person up.

Yes, I rather value learning. Perhaps too much sometimes. Even though I think I am rather dumb myself, I've always wished I were smarter. If we needed to learn, to gain heaven, I would already be doomed. I do believe if we grow in the faith enough we will be called to give an answer for the belief that is in us as Scripture speaks of but that process is a work as a result of faith.

I go back to my youth and being dummer than a pounded thumb and remember how much hell I caused myself. I really did some dumb things and learned everything the hard way. I'd guess you have at least seen that wild side of others.

You know what the funny thing is, no matter how much I learn, I am always my own worst enemy. Kind of ironic huh? I just cannot save myself for the life of me.

At one point, for a while, I wished I was as ignorant as I used to be because at least then I wouldn't be as culpable for what I knew I was freely choosing, if you know what I mean, but then I realized that was as false as thinking I could learn myself out of being dumb. It just isn't going to happen this side of eternity.

Yes, I get what you are saying... I feel the same way. I know, there fore I have no excuses for not doing something about my own pitiful state.

 

[JoabAnias]

Yes, I get what you are saying... I feel the same way. I know, there fore I have no excuses for not doing something about my own pitiful state.

I've been crusin youtube tonight,

Here is proof that even Acadians can be saved:

YouTube - Soggy Bottom Boys- I Am A Man Of Constant Sorrow

 

[benedictaoo]

I don't get it... is that George Clooney?

 

[JoabAnias]

I don't get it... is that George Clooney?

Yea its Clooney. Haven't you seen that movie? Its a riot.

He too is a "man of constant sorrow". Thought with his money its no wonder.

 

[benedictaoo]

okay then.

 

[Rebekka]

Rebekka:

This is what I found in a dictionary (but I have no context to verify if what I am saying makes sense).

a belief: Een overtuiging
the faith: De trouw

does that help?

No, that doesn't help, sorry. Thanks for trying though, I appreciate it.

We just have one word for both faith and belief, both are called "geloof".
Faith can also mean "trouw" in Dutch, in the sense that spouses can be faithful to each other, then it would be a synonym for fidelity. So to me, when someone tells me "person X only has belief, not faith", it is a meaningless phrase, as translated it would be "persoon X heeft alleen maar geloof, geen geloof" = "he/she only has belief, not belief" or "only has faith, not faith".

 

[Rebekka]

Yes, I know. It was a bit of humor.
Continents generally do not have their own flags.

It's a lovely flag, it's like a face with its nose in the air. (Which reminds me of the shape of my own country, which looks like a skull.)

 

[CruciFixed]

I am confused is that a real flag?

 

[Rebekka]

I am confused is that a real flag?

Yes. It's in the shape of Antarctica.

 

[Joshua G.]

It's not a nation, but I don't know if perhaps that is a flag that they put on the research centers in Antartica as a way to say that this is a place where no nation reigns supreme????

 

[CruciFixed]

Antarctica with its nose up eh?

 

[Rebekka]

Antarctica with its nose up eh?

Yeah, that's what I love about it.

 

[CruciFixed]

I think its cool.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Knowlege is a gift that can make us more wise but also more culpable.

Luke 12:48
But he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. And unto whomsoever much is given, of him much shall be required: and to whom they have committed much, of him they will demand the more.

Thats what i feel about all the knowledge i obtained, and if i am doing it right....i mean am i supposed to be doing more?