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razzelflabben

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Not so since God tells us in Genesis chapter one of the differences between His (Jesus) kinds and Their (Trinity) kinds. What is obvious is that you have ignored Gen 1:25 and seem to prefer confusion to understanding. God Bless you

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after HIS kind, and cattle after THEIR kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after HIS kind: and God saw that it was good.
btw, according to the lexicon which is where we find meanings to the Hebrew and Greek words used, the word used is the same word in all three cases...so, common literary rules please...sorry forgot to post the lexicon entry...Genesis 1:25 (KJV)
 
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please show using the common literary rules for comprehension that you were taught in elementary school to get the meaning you want us to believe from Gen. 1:25...based on the common literary rules I have myself taught to elementary school students, you are reading into the text what is not there...at this point, no discussion if you are right or wrong in your interpretation only what does reading for comprehension tell us...adding in things later we can talk about later.

1. You are forgetting that only born again Spiritual Christians can possibly understand Scripture. 1Co 2:14
2. Here are examples of His kinds and Their kinds from Gen 1:25.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after HIS kind, and cattle after THEIR kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after HIS kind: and God saw that it was good.

His kinds include Humans Gen 2:7 beasts of the Earth Gen 2:19 and creeping things. Gen 6:20

Their kinds include cattle, Gen 6:20 creatures from water and every living creature that moveth, birds and regenerated mankind. Gen 1:21 Gen 1:26 and Gen 5:1-2

Further study shows that Their kinds are ALWAYS Eternal and His kinds are ALWAYS temporary. Aren't you glad Jesus made mosquitoes? God Bless you
 
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1. You are forgetting that only born again Spiritual Christians can possibly understand Scripture. 1Co 2:14
I'm not forgetting that at all....the understanding that requires the HS is a deep meaning not a surface understanding...what I am asking is a surface understanding.
2. Here are examples of His kinds and Their kinds from Gen 1:25.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after HIS kind, and cattle after THEIR kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after HIS kind: and God saw that it was good.

His kinds include Humans Gen 2:7 beasts of the Earth Gen 2:19 and creeping things. Gen 6:20

Their kinds include cattle, Gen 6:20 creatures from water and every living creature that moveth, birds and regenerated mankind. Gen 1:21 Gen 1:26 and Gen 5:1-2

Further study shows that Their kinds are ALWAYS Eternal and His kinds are ALWAYS temporary. Aren't you glad Jesus made mosquitoes? God Bless you
so you refuse to read the passage for comprehension and tell us what it says when you do...you could have just simply said you refuse and saved the time and space.
 
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I'm not forgetting that at all....the understanding that requires the HS is a deep meaning not a surface understanding...what I am asking is a surface understanding. so you refuse to read the passage for comprehension and tell us what it says when you do...you could have just simply said you refuse and saved the time and space.

I just did but you didn't. See my last post or read below:

Aman:>>2. Here are examples of His kinds and Their kinds from Gen 1:25.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after HIS kind, and cattle after THEIR kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after HIS kind: and God saw that it was good.

His kinds include Humans Gen 2:7 beasts of the Earth Gen 2:19 and creeping things. Gen 6:20

Their kinds include cattle, Gen 6:20 creatures from water and every living creature that moveth, birds and regenerated mankind. Gen 1:21 Gen 1:26 and Gen 5:1-2

Further study shows that Their kinds are ALWAYS Eternal and His kinds are ALWAYS temporary. Aren't you glad Jesus made mosquitoes? God Bless you<<

You must have a personal definition of comprehension. Your system failed to recognize the difference between His and Their kinds, which is a good example of the problems with such a system. God Bless you
 
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I just did but you didn't. See my last post or read below:

Aman:>>2. Here are examples of His kinds and Their kinds from Gen 1:25.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after HIS kind, and cattle after THEIR kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after HIS kind: and God saw that it was good.

His kinds include Humans Gen 2:7 beasts of the Earth Gen 2:19 and creeping things. Gen 6:20

Their kinds include cattle, Gen 6:20 creatures from water and every living creature that moveth, birds and regenerated mankind. Gen 1:21 Gen 1:26 and Gen 5:1-2

Further study shows that Their kinds are ALWAYS Eternal and His kinds are ALWAYS temporary. Aren't you glad Jesus made mosquitoes? God Bless you<<

You must have a personal definition of comprehension. Your system failed to recognize the difference between His and Their kinds, which is a good example of the problems with such a system. God Bless you
you need to point out the common literary rules for comprehension taught in elementary school that lead to this understanding...rules such as key words or phrases, definitions, context in the verse, context in the passage, etc. as pointed out to you, definitions show that all the words you highlighted in the text are the same meaning. Thus there is nothing in the common literary rules for definition to suggest a different meaning. In fact, the strongest evidence you present is this sentence..."Further study shows that Their kinds are ALWAYS Eternal and His kinds are ALWAYS temporary. Aren't you glad Jesus made mosquitoes? God Bless you<<" which is by your own admission "further study" which is against what you were asked for and secondly is you opinion and is not about a literary rules for comprehension at all.
 
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you need to point out the common literary rules for comprehension taught in elementary school that lead to this understanding...rules such as key words or phrases, definitions, context in the verse, context in the passage, etc. as pointed out to you, definitions show that all the words you highlighted in the text are the same meaning. Thus there is nothing in the common literary rules for definition to suggest a different meaning. In fact, the strongest evidence you present is this sentence..."Further study shows that Their kinds are ALWAYS Eternal and His kinds are ALWAYS temporary. Aren't you glad Jesus made mosquitoes? God Bless you<<" which is by your own admission "further study" which is against what you were asked for and secondly is you opinion and is not about a literary rules for comprehension at all.
Why do you restrict it to the common literary rules learned in elementary school? Is there some reason to stop there?
 
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Why do you restrict it to the common literary rules learned in elementary school? Is there some reason to stop there?
Now, what I said is that we start there then we can move on...see, the accusation was that there were too many interpretations and I pointed out that if all we do is read for comprehension as per the common literary rules for comprehension taught in the elementary schools, there is only one interpretation. I was asked to evidence my claim which is why I asked the poster offering a different interpretation to show what common literary rules were being used and none were offered...which I guess evidences my claim in one way but I was hoping for more.
 
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Now, what I said is that we start there then we can move on...see, the accusation was that there were too many interpretations and I pointed out that if all we do is read for comprehension as per the common literary rules for comprehension taught in the elementary schools, there is only one interpretation. I was asked to evidence my claim which is why I asked the poster offering a different interpretation to show what common literary rules were being used and none were offered...which I guess evidences my claim in one way but I was hoping for more.
That would be a downer if there was only one interpretation. I would expect more from a holy book inspired by God.

But how do you know that one interpretation is correct? Maybe an interpretation base on more sophisticated rules of comprehension is the one you want.
 
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That would be a downer if there was only one interpretation. I would expect more from a holy book inspired by God.

But how do you know that one interpretation is correct? Maybe an interpretation base on more sophisticated rules of comprehension is the one you want.
well, 1. the early church believed that if there was only one God there was only one interpretation...and 2. I don't think it would be boring at all.
 
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well, 1. the early church believed that if there was only one God there was only one interpretation...and 2. I don't think it would be boring at all.
You have references to early church writings that confirm it?
 
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This is an example of what I cannot understand. Why believe something just because the Bible teaches it?
Because you've become convinced that it is what it purports to be--divine revelation.

And does it really? Many believers interpret the Bible differently. What makes you so sure that your interpretation is correct anyway?
That's a different question from the one you asked in the Original Post. Obviously, the believer in creationism IS convinced--for whatever reason--that the contents are true. That's the answer to the question.
 
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Now, what I said is that we start there then we can move on...see, the accusation was that there were too many interpretations and I pointed out that if all we do is read for comprehension as per the common literary rules for comprehension taught in the elementary schools, there is only one interpretation.

Do you mean there's only one correct interpretation?

I was asked to evidence my claim which is why I asked the poster offering a different interpretation to show what common literary rules were being used and none were offered...which I guess evidences my claim in one way but I was hoping for more.

What are these rules?
 
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Do you mean there's only one correct interpretation?
that is how the early church saw it...Ephesians 4
What are these rules?
since I told you the rules, listed several of the rules and you still don't understand what I am talking about, I don't know how to help you. I asked my son to do an experience with me. I told him to pretend he didn't know anything about me or what I taught him....then I said to him what I told you...now I know some of you all consider me telling you about this experiment to be inflammatory but really it was intended to be an experiment that would show me where/how to improve my communication...he knew without even thinking about it what I was saying. I asked him how to improve my communication and he had no idea, as he said, stating it then giving examples is about as clear as it gets. We then talked about how one of the rules is that sometimes the author will explain the meaning of something in the text itself...just as I have repeatedly done.

Since I do NOT want to talk down to you because that really would be flaming and since I don't have a clue how to be any clearer and I write for a living, I guess all that is left is to encourage you to look on the internet under elementary school curriculum for reading comprehension and see if that makes it any clearer for you.
 
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Ephesians 4 doesn't say anything about scripture.
now let's look at the text with a couple of the rules for comprehension in place...first vs. 3-6 and this is just a couple of the literary rules for comprehension....3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit,I just as you were called to one hope when you were called one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Now the highlighted key words should be enough to tell us that there is only one correct interpretation because if there was not, then there couldn't be just on faith, or one baptism, or one hope....now one more issue, why if there is only One God and Father of all would He contradict Himself with different interpretations?

But let's move on...11-13 still part of the context which again is one of the common literary rules for comprehension....So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

Now, in order to dismiss this context you must argue that God Himself who is giving knowledge and understanding and gifts is doing so with things that contradict each other even though the goal for each is the same. Now, please explain how if 10 runners all have the same goal in mind that if they all run different directions and are arguing with one another they can achieve their goal? And also notice that teachers are listed...teachers that get their knowledge from scripture....

But we aren't done yet...vs. 14...Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming...notice the context is again teaching...when it comes to scripture we know that scripture sees itself as useful for understanding God, aka a source for knowledge about who God is and what He wants...II Timothy 2...

So when we apply the common literary rules of comprehension to the text it can only mean 1 God, 1 HS, equals 1 meaning from scripture..which is a logical conclusion I might add.

Now, I fully expect to be challenged and I would be disappointed if you didn't but remember, the limit for this discussion is the use of common literary rules for comprehension as taught in elementary school and not all the man made understandings that we want to add to the text. Simply look at the text and ask what it says based on our taught ability to read for comprehension nothing more or less.
 
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