whistlersdog said:
I have seen an orb once, and let me tell you, if was life changing. I still can't get over it. It's NOT a brain tumor, eye floaters, or anything else like that! They are definitely spirits.
I could see it very clearly, which should have been impossible as I am legally blind without my contacts, and of course I wasn't wearing them as this was in the middle of the night. I had no trouble at all seeing all the fine detail inside the orb. When it left, it simply faded slowly away, like turning down a dimmer switch. Just faded into blackness.
Interesting how the reports so far here have all described a knowledge that they were spirits.
Last night was the recent event. I awoke to 10-15 of them hovering in front of me. Blue, green, and transparent. About the size of large grapefruit and their apperence is like a soap bubble. I'm not scared or fearful. There is no feeling of evil, I feel. And also there is somehting in the center of them, some kind of mass.
Can you describe the mass more?
Godprophet said:
some of the victims have spiritual children
Breeding demons -- that would never have occurred to me. That would make us so much more accountable for evils in the world.
day time said:
Those who "accept" their presence and use them as a conduit, seem to have an area of their life that is sort of "preyed upon" rather heavily, that these things and their claims seem to fill. A lonliness, a desire for "power" and identity, a strong desire to be "right" and prove this to others, a strong narcissistic type of vanity .... seriously, I've noticed that these orbs seem to "provide the answers" as it were ..... perhaps seizing the opportunity in these people and making them feel "at home."
You are likely to label them whatever-you-are-going-to-label-them until proven otherwise.
Thank you for describing in depth, in a way that terms and events are not mistaken and misinterpreted. It was valuable to see the situation from an analytical believer's perspective.
The changes in people who accept remind me of friends who have embraced earth religions or other practices where they invite spirits to help them. These friends have become extremely pushy, brag about their powers, try to use them to help others without permission, and talk about themselves incessantly. They also try to tell me what will happen in my life, even when I ask them not to. It is like wanting to shake them and ask for the human to come back.
These were people who were fairly normal before -- previous friendships might not have formed unless we had satisfying back-and-forth conversations. But now conversations are completely one-sided, not allowing space for my input, and I leave wondering why I bothered. In theory I would be able to influence and help them, but there is no space made for that.
And as people mentioned earlier, the spirits/entities promise to help those who accept them, but I don't see evidence of that in my friends' lives. No fruit in conversation, and destructive forces at work in their tangible success. Yet they are still confident in their powers and ability to envision their way out of their troubles.
(But I should be careful how I criticize that, bc destructive powers could as easily turn around and cause success to prove something.)
Z said:
comments that seem more interested in treating the phenomena as a hobby than a real serious issue.
For example you prayed for angels and he either showed you flashing lights as a sign or angels.
Again this type of thing is no correlation demons, if you are saved you are protected from them.
The Bible speaks of fallen angels. That would imply a similarity between good angels and bad demonic spirits, with free choice as the main difference.
The word translated as "angel" is defined as "messenger."
The word translated as "devil" is "[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]
false accuser, slanderer[/FONT]."
There are few pictorial descriptions of these entities, or even defining limits of how many types of entities might come under that title. Wings, no wings, male, female, appearing in form of grandfather...obviously they are not of one solid predictable appearance.
We assume an angel is an angel, but hear many reports of and taking on the appearance of deceased trusted people in order to get people rescued...or lead them off cliff edges. To rampage in post offices.
Daughter said:
I was not imagining things or having eye problems. People recommend getting an eye exam and/or physical. I do understand that if something of the kind never happened to you it sounds crazy and they might hope to find a cause of it due to the person's physical health or mental health. To be more blunt, I almost never talk about it because it does sound so out there and then people make ignorant comments like it sounds like a bad trip.
It is important that we describe things exactly how we see them, and listen to others' experiences long enough to form an accurate conclusion, without jumping in with the first teaching that pops into our heads. We should listen to all the possibilities -- and offer all the possibilities-- so there is a good range of data to gain from. But not insist that one way is the only way, unless we absolutely know.
God asks us to meditate on His Word day and night... that sort of patience and reflection can carry through the rest of the way we deal with controversial topics. It will make a difference in whether we enact real change in people's lives and set people free, or just appear right to other people.
A few days of posts has revealed all sorts of people who have seen and experienced a similar phenomenon. Imagine if hundreds were polled in a safe environment, how many first-hand accounts we would hear!
On the topic of prayer... look at how Jesus offered the Lord's Prayer as a complete structure. Within it are physical requests for provision -- which would imply we can ask for material things -- but also "your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven." The prayer is simple and allows for any level of expertise and faith. I think it also allows for our typical errors... that God knows we warp prayers and insert selfish motives, but puts up with a little.
Our fears of not having enough lead us to scramble and push to get what we need. That can get us into vulnerable territory, where we do not discern our sources. God promises to provide if we rely on Him. I would guess that includes how we pray for evil forces to leave us. We hear so many near death experiences where people just shout "Jesus!" and situations change.
Peace!
