I quit debating

[JimB]

I make no bones about the fact that I was part of the problem here for quite some time. In fact, I said that very clearly in my first post in this thread. I don't recall ever calling you "deceived" or a "victim", but I do recall saying things to you and about you I should not have said.

But we will never get past this if every time one of us tries to "take the high road", the other throws up in our face what we've done wrong in the past and gets indignant because of the perceived "lecture".

How do you propose we get past this? How do we stop the intentional misrepresentation of the other's beliefs? Is it by lecturing me about lecturing ?

This is my suggestion;


I will freely admit that I have failed at doing this in the past. But I am trying to do better.

My "lecture" is, we should respect one another and treat each other like we're all a part of the same body.

Good post, Pete, and I will follow your lead.

~Jim

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.​

 

[Svt4Him]

Pete, for one who has labeled those, like me, who refuse to buy into WOF beliefs as being “deceived” or “victims”—which, if I recall, you have done in the past—you now all of a sudden seem to be taking the high road.

Can you cite this for me, as I'd like to know if it really is true. I tend to see it a lot the other way, but haven't seen it go like this. I know it may seem like I'm asking a lot, but it's a public statement so to give a reference to it isn't really asking too much.

Now it's not hijacking the thread, before you go there, nor is it inappropriate.

 

[JimB]

Can you cite this for me, as I'd like to know if it really is true. I tend to see it a lot the other way, but haven't seen it go like this. I know it may seem like I'm asking a lot, but it's a public statement so to give a reference to it isn't really asking too much.

Now it's not hijacking the thread, before you go there, nor is it inappropriate.

I addressed this to Pete and he answered it in #40.

~Jim

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.​