"I now recognize the Representative from Deleware, Mr. McBride."

[ozso]

Scientifically I'm not sure. There appears to be some scientific genetic basis for transgenderism.
There is also a genetic basis for criminal behavior.
Alcoholism. Addiction.

Does that mean it's not a sin?

It means that God has given every individual a unique set of challenges and circumstances. None of us is born without any challenges. Does God judge a person who was born to addicted parents, abandoned at age 5, raised in indifferent foster homes, etc. as harshly for the same objective 'sin' as someone born and raised in a financially comfortable loving family? I think not.

Genetic predispositions can diminish responsibility and culpability. Alcoholism is a sin, but also a disease. Where does the disease end and the sin begin?

My take is that when Jesus heals a person he is able to overcome the challenges because he knows he has a partner sharing his sorrows and difficulties.

Alcoholism and addiction and most other sins are an indulgence of the flesh and the rejection of obedience to God. Jesus commands us to reject the flesh and obey God. Jesus says that he rebukes and punishes in Rev 3:19. Rev 6:16 speaks of the wrath of Jesus - They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!".

 

[RileyG]

I am not condoning transgenderism, just as I do not condone lying, cheating, stealing, or any other sin.
I remind you that Jesus continually reached out to the ostracized, the scorned. He saw the image of God in them and, as fully human, knew what rejection and scorn felt like.
As I said, McBride can be addressed as Representative, and "debates" can be about the topics they are paid to discuss, currently the federal budget. Rep. McBride's gender is irrelevant to the issue the House is grappling with.
The state of Delaware amends birth certificates of transgender individuals who submit medical affidavits.

Google Search

Legally Rep. McBride is listed as female on the birth registry.

That makes no sense to me, to be honest. One cannot be born a different gender other than what they truly are. That’s just odd, in my opinion.

 

[RileyG]

He also flipped tables and called Pharesees "Broods of Vipers." So from what you stated, you then recognize that transgenderism is something that can be healed through prayer and speaking truth in love? Your thoughts?


Yet the Catholic Church instructs its members not to use preferred pronouns. So perhaps the better alternative would be to say, "The Honorable Representative from Deleware."

True. Mr. McBride is misgendering himself. Not anyone else.

 

[Fantine]

Alcoholism and addiction and most other sins are an indulgence of the flesh and the rejection of obedience to God. Jesus commands us to reject the flesh and obey God. Jesus says that he rebukes and punishes in Rev 3:19. Rev 6:16 speaks of the wrath of Jesus - They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!".

Di you believe that God judges a Native American with a severe genetic weakness towards alcoholism as severely as someone who parties too hearty with no biological weakness?
Does God judge a wealthy insider trader more harshly than a poor person stealing medicine from a pharmacy for a sick child?
I believe in a just and merciful God, not a formulaic bix-checker.

 

[RileyG]

Do they leave off Mr or gentle Lady for everyone else? If not, the man who thinks he is a women needs to sit down and shut up. He deserves no special privileges because he is confused.

Amen! He’s not special.

 

[RileyG]

Di you believe that God judges a Native American with a severe genetic weakness towards alcoholism as severely as someone who parties too hearty with no biological weakness?
Does God judge a wealthy insider trader more harshly than a poor person stealing medicine from a pharmacy for a sick child?
I believe in a just and merciful God, not a formulaic bix-checker.

Yes, God is merciful, but also just. No one is denying that, my friend.

 

[RileyG]

The Catholic Church also has strong stances on homosexuality and abortion.

Amen! Sin is sin!

 

[ozso]

Di you believe that God judges a Native American with a severe genetic weakness towards alcoholism as severely as someone who parties too hearty with no biological weakness?
Does God judge a wealthy insider trader more harshly than a poor person stealing medicine from a pharmacy for a sick child?
I believe in a just and merciful God, not a formulaic bix-checker.

God is both merciful and wrathful. But there's been a push to highlight the mercy aspect and hide the wrath aspect. And when it comes to LGBTQ+ we're supposed to regard it along the lines of a poor person stealing medicine from a pharmacy for a sick child. There's a battle going on, and Satan wants us to be as passive and compliant to the world as possible. To not stand in the way. That there's no judgement, and rebuke, and punishment, and wrath in Jesus whatsoever. But rather that He is only a mollycoddling bleeding heart sympathizer who would never ever tell us to fear Him. And the Body of Christ in following that trend is going to kid glove people straight to perdition.

 

[Bradskii]

Unsubscribing to this thread. I really don't trust myself not to say what I think of some attitudes exhibited here.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I'm not quite following that. What's an example of the non-secular belief you're speaking of?

Hah! I think I mean religious. Another question: How many of our beliefs are based on religion and how many not? My main point is among both groups we have divergence.

Really what that comes out to, especially concerning Christians, is we're supposed to completely avoid hurting anyone's feelings and also keep our mouths shut. I'm not saying that's your idea personally, but rather that's the idea in general.

I think we can always state our own beliefs, as in "It seems to me that..." If someone is offended by that it can't be helped. Of course, depending on how we say it. But then some people have very thin skins. Have you ever noticed that the most offensive people are also the most easily offended?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Some churches completely shunned and condemn homosexuals while other permit them to be ordained ministers.

This is the society we live in together.

The view of Earth from space, a phenomenon known as the "Overview Effect," can trigger a profound cognitive shift in astronauts, leading to feelings of awe, interconnectedness, and a renewed sense of responsibility for the planet.

Maybe we all should take a trip to space and see that we are all sisters and brothers in spite of our difference.

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT


The thread is closed for staff review.

AS A REMINDER, the Statement of Purpose for this forum includes:
​

Homosexuality, Same-Sex Marriage, Bisexuality and Transgenderism/Transexualism: Discussion of these topics must comply with the sitewide rule barring the promotion of homosexuality, same-sex marriage, bisexuality, and transgenderism/transexualism. Discussion and debate should only be directed toward political, legal, historical and civil rights issues, and should not be directed toward the morality of homosexuality, same-sex marriage, bisexuality or transgenderism/transexualism.​

I underlined the key part.


EDIT: This thread will stay closed. ​