I need information on the word of knowledge

[enoch son]

I knew he had something to say to you. Sorry I got in the way and stop Him from speaking. So maybe He was trying to teach us both?

 

[whitestar]

The word of knowledge is the reception of information that can be and is usually known to others present.
Knowing that someone commited adultry is a word of knowledge. Someone present knows it, it could have been found out by natural means. There are seveal instances of this gift in the ministry of Jesus and in the book of Acts.

Word of Wisdom is similar. The word of wisdom is the receptoin of knowledge that is not known by people present, and cannot be discovered by natural means. All predictive prophecy is of this sort. Knowing the mind of God is of this sort. Paul received his revelation of Jesus Christ in by this gift. John received the Revelation with this gift.

So the word of knowledge is something know by several people about someone else? I am assuming you are talking about in a church setting right? But the word of wisdom not know by others there except one person..the one with the gift? Is that right?

I know John was given a vision..in which knowledge was given to him. And Paul I believe when he saw the Jesus was given either then some great knowledge or later when he talks about going in spirit to the third heaven.

Looks like I need to re-read from Acts on and look more closely at all of this and see where it was used and when information was known but with held. Thanks.

God bless

 

[whitestar]

I knew he had something to say to you. Sorry I got in the way and stop Him from speaking. So maybe He was trying to teach us both?

That's ok...these days there are so many false gifts going on it understandable to be skeptic anymore..I know I am! I also knew starting this thread one was going to oposse my post, so I was expecting it though I wasn't told why this would happen.

I want you to know this is something I have struggled with most of my life..once I knew something was going on. I surely never knew what it was or what to do with it to go and scam people with! I was pretty scared of it actually not knowing what was going on. I haven't attended any churches as I said before where I was expected to 'perform' and got alot of attention for it..hardly. If anything I have never fit in church and always felt unwelcome and not wanted..more of an outsider because I don't fit the norm of what a Christian should be. I am a divorced mom from an abusive marriage. He was committing adultery. I didn't even get married for the first and only time until I was in my 30's and I was a very luke warm Christian at the time so obviously I wasn't I wasn't listening to God's warning to me...I thought I could run my own life and in trying to not judge others, I overlooked those things I saw not just in my husband but in others and it got me in alot of trouble..things I will have to live with the rest of my life. Our son has suffered the most because of my selfishness. Even before all of this...as a single person, I just never felt comfortable in churches because I didn't fit the norm of 'being married'. Now especially when I go into a church with no husband, but its just me and my son, I get funny looks. I just don't understand this though because I know there are alot of women who are married but their husbands won't go to church with them...either nonChristians or just won't go for whatever reason. I don't know if they are treated the same as I have been or not.

God has always been apart of my life. I remember one time as a little child laying in bed and Him taking me or showing me the universe...showing me 'everything'...and how I felt so dizzy and so overwhelmed by it all. Feeling like I was falling upwards into space and the stars, planets..into eternity.

Sorry..I had to submit the post as the fonts were messing up..seems to be better now.

All I was saying is its taking me this long to figure out this was a gift and I wasn't some kind of freak...a BIG relief let me tell you. Now figuring it all out and what to do with it to uplift and encourage the body of Christ is the next question...and seeing how and where God wants me to to exercise this gift at. Those are the big questions still for me. I hope you are having a great day in the Lord today!

God bless

 

[merryheart]

Hey thank you all! And may the Lord bless each one of you...I was starting to lose hope that anyone was really going to help me here...but yet again He reminded me I wasn't being patient enough...one of my weaknesses.. and something I pray for all the time! All I know is He directed me to this forum to be taught about this. We know many times He works through other people...so that is why I am here.

I have been slow I know in telling you everything about myself..afraid I would not be believed or thought a nut..especially since none of you know me and I haven't posted on this forum...I think I might have a long long time ago and I wasn't received very well. I try not to phrase my questions as challenges but I think sometime they sound like that and people get defensive which I am truly sorry about.

I am never told about anything that is going to happen in the future..the few times I thought I was receiving something from God did not prove to be true...so that probably falls into the test of the spirits that was mentioned! With the exception of knowing when someone is going to die but as I found out this is fairly common with people who are about to lose a family member or close friend...at least among Christians. Though sometimes I know when a stranger is going to die that I just see out when I am running my errands.

I also have dreams and visions quite often from the Lord..these are mostly personal for me only and not about other people. Its like my spirit is being taught by Him. I spend time meditating on Christ and am shown the most amazing things! But its so hard to put into words what I see in my mind and spirit. during this time is when I worship Him in spirit as the bible says we are to do...after I started doing that for many months, suddenly He started giving me these visions.

I talk to God nearly constantly..pray without creasing as the bible says. I do..even about silly things...He is my best friend and since I am alone except for my son who is far to young to talk to about everything..I talk to God. He already knows what I am thinking...so why not include Him in my thoughts? I do.

Sometimes when I go grocery shopping or whatever and am around people I just know things..many times physical things about them. While I might be looking at my list and watching where I am moving the cart, I will see someone and 'know' they are sick with something (usually I am told with what too) and I pray for them...then I move on and am getting things off the shelf and see someone else and know they are in pain so I pray for them. It can go on like this through my whole shopping trip. Very rarely do I run into someone that I know is carrying an evil in them...I see it in their eyes and I feel it. There was once..and I surely don't want to offend any Catholics on here..evil can be anywhere as we all know. Anyway last year I took my son to the fair and we were in a building eating lunch...oh the things I feel and see in those big crowds! You can image. Sometime I think if I stayed long enough the whole physical world would fade away and I would only see the spiritual world! By the time I leave I am feeling pretty unreal for sure! There is no way I can put that into sensible words. Its amazing....scary, over whemling and powerful.

Anyway I was eating and my son had gone to the restroom and I suddenly felt someone watching me and I looked up and a nun was passing by...I just catch her eyes for a second..the scowl on her face..the look of disgust towards me. She KNEW me and I knew what was in her. She quickly looked away and her 'world face' came back on. She hadn't meant for me to see her you know. I can't tell you how much that creeped me out. Other then her there was only this man one time when I took my son to the water park. He was with a young lady and a child and I saw the evil in his eyes. I prayed for the Lord to cover and protect that young lady and the little child..I really don't know what else to do. Its not that I am not knowing about the evil intents in people...the sinful thoughts and other very bad things in people...almost everyone has something going on they are either struggling with or letting control them to some degree or another...and people covered in oppression and darkness...these are more common but these two..this went way beyond that.

I don't see the future...I don't have dreams or visions about the future or know the future ..at least not in a way I could understand it to tell anyone else about. Its complicated and hard to explain..I think sometimes what I see in these visions are of past things more then anything else. The one that causes me the most grief is when I know a missing child or adult is dead. I don't know what to do with that! These are just people I hear about on the news..I don't know them..what can I do for them other then to pray for them which I would do anyway? This one I really don't understand at all. Am I suppose to tell people I know? That wouldn't seem right..it would seem like I was showing off and it wouldn't uplift or encourage anyone at all. So I am very confused as to why "I" would need to know about the fate of a missing person. How does that glorify God in anyway? If I could help the police find them then maybe that would be useful but I am not told details..only if they are still alive or not.

irenemcg...I can't thank you enough for that lesson! I greatly appericate it. I am going to save it and print it out to look over more carefully and refer too over time. I don't have the greatest memory so having it printed out will be nice.

Thank you enoch son for your post. Sometimes I do know things about other people's children..haven't really thought about it that much though...that gives me something to think about. I have spend most of my time trying to not think about what I know! Hate to say that...but I have gone 47 years knowing things I shouldn't and not knowing why! I am disabled..I have physical problems..back and low blood sugar and a learning disability. When I graduated from high school I was functionally illerate..sorry I can't spell that! I had to teach myself to read the right way! I have dyslexia and my spelling is terrible...I look up alot of words as I post..I can't do math..many words I cannot read out loud because I don't know how they sound..I am unable to sound them out. I can read them to myself and know what they mean and even type them in a sentence..but I cannot say them out loud. Anyway I went through school feeling different because I wasn't learning like other kids...and put this in the mix..I didn't want to be more of an outcast as I already was. I didn't have any idea what this was...so I have ignored it most of my life...sad to say.

Thank you Tsadde, HungryforHim and ARBITER01..I will probably just print out everyone's post so I won't forget and it will help me as I learn about this and work through it. Thank you all so much and God bless.

IMO, this is called seeing or discerning spirits. Controversial subject here, but oh well...

When I counsel others who have this gift, I always caution vary strongly that the first thing you should do is find out which path you have taken to become open to the spiritual world, since if you are open in a manner which is not of the Holy Spirit, it is very dangerous and leaves you open to demonic influence. You should spend a significant amount of time in prayer asking the Lord to remove any spiritual open doors that are not of Him, and be willing to renounce the gift if it is not His. If your ability to see in the spirit is from Him it will be a true gift, but if not, it will be a curse in the end - seducing you towards a desire for knowledge for the sake of power over others.

When you have seen evil intent, impending death, illness, you are not seeing the heart of that person, but rather the spiritual forces surrounding them. If you are seeing this through the eyes of the Holy Spirit, then you are called to bear burdens for those who are being demonized in these ways, but do not do this alone - you need to operate as a member of the body of believers. You will want to be covered in prayer - your own relationship with Christ must be spiritually pure, and constant, and you will need others to lift you up, because it will become a spiritual battle, and we are not called to fight alone - none of us has all of what is needed for the battle. Many warriors have fallen because they were not humble enough to admit their need for the body.

This gifting is little understood, and often argued about. It can be difficult to find fellow believers who will understand the nature of the gift and know how to lift you up, but if you ask the Lord to lead you to the right place, He is faithful, and will do so as you obey His leading.

 

[whitestar]

IMO, this is called seeing or discerning spirits. Controversial subject here, but oh well...

When I counsel others who have this gift, I always caution vary strongly that the first thing you should do is find out which path you have taken to become open to the spiritual world, since if you are open in a manner which is not of the Holy Spirit, it is very dangerous and leaves you open to demonic influence. You should spend a significant amount of time in prayer asking the Lord to remove any spiritual open doors that are not of Him, and be willing to renounce the gift if it is not His. If your ability to see in the spirit is from Him it will be a true gift, but if not, it will be a curse in the end - seducing you towards a desire for knowledge for the sake of power over others.

When you have seen evil intent, impending death, illness, you are not seeing the heart of that person, but rather the spiritual forces surrounding them. If you are seeing this through the eyes of the Holy Spirit, then you are called to bear burdens for those who are being demonized in these ways, but do not do this alone - you need to operate as a member of the body of believers. You will want to be covered in prayer - your own relationship with Christ must be spiritually pure, and constant, and you will need others to lift you up, because it will become a spiritual battle, and we are not called to fight alone - none of us has all of what is needed for the battle. Many warriors have fallen because they were not humble enough to admit their need for the body.

This gifting is little understood, and often argued about. It can be difficult to find fellow believers who will understand the nature of the gift and know how to lift you up, but if you ask the Lord to lead you to the right place, He is faithful, and will do so as you obey His leading.

Thank you for your post. I thought all believers though were given the gift of discernment? I think some have it a little stronger then others but I thought it was a common thing...with us being filled with the Holy Spirit, coming upon something or someone opossed to that sets off little warnings in us..(from the Holy Spirit). I believe my son has this as he has known when things were 'bad' (he is just 12). I will pray as you suggested, if this isn't from God that He would close this door...but I don't see how it couldn't be from Him. Especially in my visions and dreams they are always Christ centered. I don't feel this knowing things about people gives me any advantage or power over them though. That part of your comment I didn't understand. All it does is scare people as I found out from pass experience.. Those I see sick or hurting emotionally...I simply pray for..and that's it. I don't approach them or anything of course not.

While I don't belong to a church or go to one (I get rather tired of being rejected all the time though it would be lovely to be an accepting body of Christ around here!) I have many Christian friends online that do constantly pray for me and for my son too.

My problem is I don't know what to do with this gift.

Thanks for your input.

God bless

 

[enoch son]

I can say so much on these matters but I won't. Frist and only I will say God love you and sent His Son to take your place. He set you free. Thats here and now. No matter what they think of you GOD LOVES YOU AND HE HADS THE ONLY VOTE.

 

[merryheart]

Thank you for your post. I thought all believers though were given the gift of discernment? I think some have it a little stronger then others but I thought it was a common thing...with us being filled with the Holy Spirit, coming upon something or someone opossed to that sets off little warnings in us..(from the Holy Spirit). I believe my son has this as he has known when things were 'bad' (he is just 12). I will pray as you suggested, if this isn't from God that He would close this door...but I don't see how it couldn't be from Him. Especially in my visions and dreams they are always Christ centered. I don't feel this knowing things about people gives me any advantage or power over them though. That part of your comment I didn't understand. All it does is scare people as I found out from pass experience.. Those I see sick or hurting emotionally...I simply pray for..and that's it. I don't approach them or anything of course not.

While I don't belong to a church or go to one (I get rather tired of being rejected all the time though it would be lovely to be an accepting body of Christ around here!) I have many Christian friends online that do constantly pray for me and for my son too.

My problem is I don't know what to do with this gift.

Thanks for your input.

God bless

You are right - all have varying degrees of spiritual discernment. In our modern culture we are trained to discount what we see in the spiritual realm, and to blind ourselves - it makes us uncomfortable. Because of this you will often silently bear a burden - but in every situation, learn to ask the Lord "why are you showing me this? what should I do?"

The seeing of illness, and demonization that you described above makes me suspect that God will use you in healing and deliverance - it is my own strong conviction that God wants this type of ministry to happen within the body, so that no person feels as if the gift is from him or her alone, leading to pride, and the seduction of power. I accept that you have not been tempted in that direction, but you do not have to look very far into history to see those who have fallen after being used by God, and gaining a name for themself. The body is mighty when it is together - He is there among two or three that believe - the devil would rather have you alone, where you are only a part of what is needed to defeat him.

I don't have all the answers that you are probably looking for, I am just a fellow traveler - but I have had similar experiences to what you have described, and similar struggles. I have been extremely fortunate in the last few years to be a part of the body that seeks to understand these types of gifts and to encourage and embrace them - before, like you I did not fit in anywhere.

 

[Caramel]

I was confused just like you, but after some research, I came to this conclusion:

word of knowledge - fact about someone / some place that you wouldn't normally know. It's usually a present or past condition.

word of wisdom - similar to a word of knowledge because it's insightful as well. But it's more like a piece of advice. Not just advice from your one's own mind but advice from the Holy Spirit on how to handle a particular situation / event.

 

[whitestar]

I can say so much on these matters but I won't. Frist and only I will say God love you and sent His Son to take your place. He set you free. Thats here and now. No matter what they think of you GOD LOVES YOU AND HE HADS THE ONLY VOTE.

I know...but its nice to just hear that too. Thank you.

God bless

 

[whitestar]

You are right - all have varying degrees of spiritual discernment. In our modern culture we are trained to discount what we see in the spiritual realm, and to blind ourselves - it makes us uncomfortable. Because of this you will often silently bear a burden - but in every situation, learn to ask the Lord "why are you showing me this? what should I do?"

The seeing of illness, and demonization that you described above makes me suspect that God will use you in healing and deliverance - it is my own strong conviction that God wants this type of ministry to happen within the body, so that no person feels as if the gift is from him or her alone, leading to pride, and the seduction of power. I accept that you have not been tempted in that direction, but you do not have to look very far into history to see those who have fallen after being used by God, and gaining a name for themself. The body is mighty when it is together - He is there among two or three that believe - the devil would rather have you alone, where you are only a part of what is needed to defeat him.

I don't have all the answers that you are probably looking for, I am just a fellow traveler - but I have had similar experiences to what you have described, and similar struggles. I have been extremely fortunate in the last few years to be a part of the body that seeks to understand these types of gifts and to encourage and embrace them - before, like you I did not fit in anywhere.

Thank you for this warning...I take that seriously when it comes to the tricks of the devil for sure. My son and I have endured enough of him... I would rather not be in isolation! Its very lonely for sure. Being rejected for any reason hurts too.

When I used to go to church and bible study...especially in bible study..well I am one of those that would rather not talk...but its like the Holy Spirit lights a fire in me on certain things and I cannot be quite...much to my embarrassment at times. See...when people start looking at me..when I become the center of attention..even for a few minutes in a small group..I start shaking. I feel so embarrassed and self conious. While I like the interaction of a group...I would be very happen to say a sentence or two then just shut up. Like when the pastor ask what do you think this verse means...and so on. Everyone has a chance to express their thoughts...I have no problem with that...but this other stuff...like I said its like a fire is lit and I have to talk and its not usually very short...lol. I just wish I didn't KNOW that half of them there wished I would shut up...some did enjoy what I had to say...but too many in churches are plagued with ...well negative things. Mostly jealously. Which I don't understand. When I find a good teacher...someone that knows more then I do about a topic concerning the bible, God, etc...I want to be around them and learn and listen and ask questions so I can know too.

Anyway...sorry I got off track a little there. Yes I think it would be Heaven on earth if I could be in a group like you are talking about..like what we read about in the bible..how the first churches operated...all working together. Now that would be a powerful service! I have never seen that...not on the net...not on TV...I wouldn't have a clue this was possible if it wasn't for the bible.

I will keep praying the Lord directs me towards that church...if its here in my town...I sure hope so!

Thanks for your post.

God bless

 

[whitestar]

I was confused just like you, but after some research, I came to this conclusion:

word of knowledge - fact about someone / some place that you wouldn't normally know. It's usually a present or past condition.

word of wisdom - similar to a word of knowledge because it's insightful as well. But it's more like a piece of advice. Not just advice from your one's own mind but advice from the Holy Spirit on how to handle a particular situation / event.

Thank you. I think I am helpful on giving advise on message boards..in connecting with that person and understanding their situation. The thing is I only feel lead to post on 'some' of them..not all of them. I get too drained, too weary..too...tired I guess is the word when I try to read through so many of them. Its like its overwhelming. I can read several but feel like they are getting good advise already...but then once in awhile one just really pulls at me ..and I feel very lead to post. The problem is...which this is very discouraging and maybe why I don't post alot where people are seeking advise and help..is I can spend hours and hours posting and giving them bible verses and praying for them and in the end they don't follow through. This last young lady I was helping...the Lord was even reminding me to pray for her...she was very much a luke warm Christian...very gullible and in a dangerous situation with no parents really helping her. A very difficult situation and she seemed to be caving to the pressures on her not being strong in her faith. Gosh I worked with her a long time....after all of that she disappeared. I already know what happened...not probably details but she has fallen away from Him...and into sin and into a possibly very damaging relationship.

So I think...why did the Lord have me and others do so much for her when in the end she fell away? That is what I thought at first. But the race isn't over...

First she was never born again spirit filled...she probably will be one day..just not now. she is possibly going to go through years of misery before finding her way back to God inspite of all our warning to her. I was just like her at that age too and yes I went through years of misery before realizing how much I needed God. And while it appears our prayers and words were for nothing...one day she will remember all of that and the comfort it brought her and she will really find God this time. I just hate the fact she is going to go through all of this before she does go to Him. I feel sorry for her I guess in that. But its her choice and this is what she chose to do.

God bless