I may give evolution a shot.

armed2010 said:

Caps lock stuck? And our world isnt created perfectly for us, we adapted to it. What your doing is the equivilant of a puddle saying that the hole its in was created perfectly for it.

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Who put the code in our DNA that allows us to adapt to different environments? Intelligence is clearly shown when DNA is examined. God is the one who codes DNA and makes life and all of its complexity possible. Please learn things beyond your limted scope.

Hmm, I say we dont continue the conversation till they answer some questions.

dctalkexp said:

Who put the code in our DNA that allows us to adapt to different environments?

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Ah, so you at least do accept evolution. Excellent. God may have put DNA together. But, as you have demonstrated, you do not need to be an atheist to accept evolution.

Arikay said:

Hmm, I say we dont continue the conversation till they answer some questions.

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How's the weather in your part of the world?

David Gould said:

Ah, so you at least do accept evolution. Excellent. God may have put DNA together. But, as you have demonstrated, you do not need to be an atheist to accept evolution.

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Of course I accept evolution, what I don't accept is evolutionary "theory." There is a big difference.
What I have said is that God may have well laid out all of the fundamental genetic information for each "kind" of organism, and then allowed it to adapt to certain environments to an extent, so that may be able to live in harsher conditions. Never did I say that errors in a single cell has the capacity to turn into ranforests, all sea life, land life, etc.

God bless.

dctalkexp said:

Of course I accept evolution, what I don't accept is evolutionary "theory." There is a big difference.
What I have said is that God may have well laid out all of the fundamental genetic information, and then allowed it to adapt to certain environments to an extent, so that may be able to live in harsher conditions. Never did I say that errors in a single cell has the capacity to turn into ranforests, all sea life, land life, etc.

God bless.

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So your basically a theistic evolutionists, ok.

Rather stormy. Just had a huge rain and thunder storm, luckily it was after I came in from hitting a few golf balls, and it didn't try to zap the club, which happens more often than people think.

whats it like down there in australia?

David Gould said:

How's the weather in your part of the world?

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There is no code that allows us to adapt. Do you know what a mutation is?

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I see that we have someone who knows nothing about genetics attempting to be an advocate for a "theory" which requires knowledge in that field.

armed2010 said:

So your basically a theistic evolutionists, ok.

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dctalkexp said:

Genetics has done little in terms of proving evolutionary theory,

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Actually, genetics has done much to validate evolution and has delt a pretty heavy blow to the idea of independent creation.

For example, humans and chimps share a number of endogenous retroviral insertions in their DNA. Common ancenstry explains the existence of such genetic anomalies perfectly. Independent creation can't (in fact, blatant speculation and appeals to ignorance is about all I ever hear from creationists on the matter).

and the fossil record is a bigger problem than it is a help for you. Over millions of years, you guys claim that massive changes took place. But many examples in the fossil record don't help your claims. One such example can be found at:

Spot the difference
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i3/difference.asp
God bless.

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That's not a problem for evolution, just the idea that all species form via phyletic gradualism and that rates of evolutionary change are constant. However, IIRC, most new species are formed via allotropic speciation, and rates are most certainly not constant.

The fossil record, however, is a huge blow to creationism. While creationists love to point out certain phenotypes that have remained relatively unchanged for millions of years (again, which not a problem for evolution), they fail to address the fact that the fossil record is sorted such that we never find, say, modern mammel fossils mixed in with fossils of organisms hundreds of millions of years old.

dctalkexp said:

Of course I accept evolution, what I don't accept is evolutionary "theory." There is a big difference.
What I have said is that God may have well laid out all of the fundamental genetic information for each "kind" of organism, and then allowed it to adapt to certain environments to an extent, so that may be able to live in harsher conditions. Never did I say that errors in a single cell has the capacity to turn into ranforests, all sea life, land life, etc.

God bless.

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Ah, so you accept microevolution but not macroevolution. Did you know that originally creationists denied that microevolution happened and that now they accept that macroevolution and speciation happens? Now they deny that evolution 'can create new information'. You are a little behind 'cutting edge' D) creationist thinking.

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I see that we have someone who knows nothing about genetics attempting to be an advocate for a "theory" which requires knowledge in that field.

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Can not a mutation change the genetic code? If the change is for the better, do we not call it an adaptation? So, there is the mechanism of genetic adaptation, at its simplest.

Arikay said:

Rather stormy. Just had a huge rain and thunder storm, luckily it was after I came in from hitting a few golf balls, and it didn't try to zap the club, which happens more often than people think.

whats it like down there in australia?

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A little cloudy, but the sun pokes through now and then. I am stuck in an office so I cannot see too much of it. It is supposed to rain today - it is pretty muggy.

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I see that we have someone who knows nothing about genetics attempting to be an advocate for a "theory" which requires knowledge in that field.

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The hypocrisy of this post is hilarous.

dctalkexp said:

Who put the code in our DNA that allows us to adapt to different environments?

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You misunderstand how adaptation occurs. First of all, evolution occurs in populations of organisms over successive generations, not in individuals. Mutations during reproductive growth change the offspring's DNA. Even you probably have a few unique mutations in you right now. However, it is the process of selection that weeds out those organisms not fit for the environment and preserves those who are. Hence, the gene pool of the populations shifts until the population is optimally adapted for the environment (this is where stasis can set in and organisms can remain unchanged for relatively long periods of time, unless something upsets the equilibrium in the environment).

Intelligence is clearly shown when DNA is examined.

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Not really. This is more a case of personal subjectivity than anything.

God is the one who codes DNA and makes life and all of its complexity possible. Please learn things beyond your limted scope.

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No one argues that God might not be the one who "orginated it all". But an examination of the physical evidence suggests a process of evolution to produce the diversity of species we see today and not independent creation.

What is evolution?

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why believe in theory dude


in all seriousness.. Creation itself shows us that we have a creator

it takes more faith to believe Nothing created us !!

God has proven himself to us through creation and through us personally if you come before God and humbly ask him to come into your heart and show you he is real, he will!

believing in God and his creation is to believe the obvious
to believe in theorys of evolution is to hurt your brain

People benefit from God and see how Real he is when he Becomes Real to them and supernaturally changes them. In turn people have no more doubts in their mind the God created the world

what do people benefit from the false religion of evolution?
well they are left stumped with the silly notion their ancesters were vine swingers, and they left with a theory that has never, can never, and will NEVER be proven

God has already proved himself Real

Evolution hasn't!

Here are some wise words from some respected men of science: "Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This Theory has helped nothing in progress of science. It is useless." (Professor Louis Bounoure, Director of Research, National center of scientific Research). Evolution is unproved and unprovable." (Sir Author Keith, he wrote the foreword to the 100th edition of, Origin of the species). "Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con-men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever." (Dr. T. N. Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission, USA).


You can't prove evolution. It is something you have to accept by "faith." You have believed what you have heard. You have seen and had faith in evolutionary drawings of reverse osteoporosis. Charles Darwin (the founding father of the faith) said: "I was a young man with unformed ideas. I threw out queries, suggestions, wondering all the time over everything; and to my astonishment the ideas took like wildfire. People made a religion out of them!" They still do. Their language is the language of faith. The use words like ?believing, assuming, surmising, suspecting, possibly..." Evolution can only be accepted on blind faith...because it cannot be proven.

On the other hand, You can prove God's existence. A building is proof that there was a builder. A painting is absolute proof that there was a painter. You don't need to see him to see he exists. His painting is all the evidence you need. It wouldn't be there if he didn't exist. Creation proves absolutely that there was a Creator. there wouldn't be a creation if there wasn't a Creator. A child could understand that.

You can also prove that the bible is Gods supernatural revelation to man. All you have to do is study the irrefutable evidence of the bible prophecy (see Matthew 24, Luke 21, 2 Timothy 3, Ezekiel 38-40, Joel 2, ect.).

Who Then made God

God (like space) has neither beginning or end. He created time and subjected man to it and because we are subjected to time, logic demands that everything must have a beginning and a end. However, God dwells outside of time, in "eternity." Again, you can prove this by studying Bible prophecy, and seeing how God knows the beginning of time from the end.

The theory of evolution of the Coca Cola can.

Billions of years ago, a big bang produced a large rock. As the rock cooled, sweet brown liquid formed on its surface. As time passed, aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red and white paint fell from the sky, and formed itself into the words "Coca Cola 12 fluid ounces."

Of course, my theory is an insult to your intellect, because you know that if the Coca Cola can is made, there must be a maker. If it is designed, there must be a designer. The alternative, that it happened by chance or accident, is to move into an intellectual free zone.

Albert Einstein said,

"Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe?a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble."

Charles Darwin said,
"To suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

If man cannot begin to make a human eye, how could anyone in his right mind think that eyes formed by mere chance? In fact, man cannot make anything from nothing. We don't know how to do it. We can re-create, reform, develop . . . but we cannot create even one grain of sand from nothing. Yet, the eye is only a small part of the most sophisticated part of creation-the human body.

If the Bible is Gods Word, you have a big problem. It maintains that God has set aside a Day in which He will judge the world in righteousness. The standard with which he will judge the world is the Ten Commandments. Let's see if you have broken any of then: 1.Is God first in your life? Do you love Him with all your heart, mind, soul and strength? 2.Have you made a God in your own image to suit your self? 3. Have you ever used Gods holy name in vain (substituting it for a four-lettered filth word to express disgust)? 4. Have you kept the Sabbath day holy? 5. Have you always honored your parents implicitly? 6. Have you hated anyone? Then the Bible says you are a murderer. 7. Have you had sex before marriage? Then you are a fornicator and cannot enter Heaven. Have you lusted after another person? The Bible warns, "Whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her in his heart." 8. Have you ever stolen something (irrespective of the value)? Then you are a thief. 9. If you have told a lie (including "White" lies), then you are a liar and cannot enter the Kingdom of God. 10. Have you ever desired something that belonged to someone else? Then you have broken the tenth commandment. On judgment day you will be found guilty, and end up in hell forever...something God doesn't want to happen.

Each of us stand guilty of breaking Gods law, but because Jesus paid our fine on the Cross 2,000 years ago, God will forgive us on the grounds of his suffering death, "God Commended His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners Christ Died for us," Don't let evolutionists make a monkey out of you. You are of great value to God. Through the Cross, He revealed His great love for us. Then He rose from the dead, and defeated death. If you repent, and trust in the savior, God will grant you everlasting life in heaven. Pray something like this now: "Dear God, I have broken your law. Please forgive me. I put my trust in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. I will read the Bible and obey what I read. In Jesus Name. Amen."

jaci, you didnt even answer the question.

I think it's pretty safe to conclude that Jaci Fan has no idea what biological evolution actually is.

Jaci Fan, you're welcome to your beliefs, but do you really think it is wise to reject a large facet of modern biology without understanding what it is first? Doesn't the Bible say something about willful ignorance?

And I doubt he will ever actually answer the question.

Isn't it amazing that it would only take a paragraph to do, yet it will be dodged time and time again. Makes you wonder if they really know what they are talking about or if they just want to appear like they know.