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dctalkexp said:But many bull headed biologists et al. refuse to accept the mere possibility of Biblical truth, and thus their science is eroded by philosophical naturalism.
armed2010 said:Not really, because thats not what evolution says
dctalkexp said:Please just stop. Gravity is an empirically testable theory, so is germ theory, etc. Please don't compare the fallacious historical interpretation of evolution to falsifiable, legit. scientific theories. Thank you.
God bless.
Unless you accuse modern scientists of believing in geocentrism today when they use "Language of appearance," then you have no case. Case closed.Arikay said:
Darwin wrote in his autobiography that he was not much of a Christian when His theory was written and published.Theory of evolution - Made famous by a christian, Darwin.
Nope, man is a deceiver, not God. You have some learning to do, I see.I guess though god was a deciever, since all the evidence points towards evolution.
Bullocks, you cant prove what causes gravity, therefore its still a theory. Go read up on these things.dctalkexp said:Please just stop. Gravity is an empirically testable theory, so is germ theory, etc. Please don't compare the fallacious historical interpretation of evolution to falsifiable, legit. scientific theories. Thank you.
God bless.
So you trust the scientists who tell you that life comes from life but do not trust the ones who tell you that this is not actually correct? Why?Jaci Fan said:very true
what evolutionist need to understand is that they need to understand the basic simple Facts of science before they can begin to understand anything really
Life comes from Life
anything beyond this is "tinker bell"
when evolutionist try to debate creation and believe they have a arguement-thats like debating if a bowl of Rocks are as healthy for you as oatmeal
lol
Pete Harcoff said:False dichotomy.
There are plenty of Christians who are also biologists that accept the theory of evolution. Our resident biology expert Lucaspa is one.
Furthermore, disproving evolution does not make the Bible any more or less true. The Bible will stand or fall on its own, regardless of evolution or any other science (and a literal Genesis was disproved via geology prior to the existence of the theory of evolution, anyway).
Jaci Fan said:evolutionist dont believe in God
Theistic Evolutionists do
who the heck created all this beautiful world!!
No one, your assuming someone did. Its only beautiful to our personal interpretation
Nothing? tke a look around at all the stars, the sun the moon the clouds, trees, mountians, animals, humans, plants, flowers, you name it, its all beautiful, its all perfectly designed, our human features all have a purpose ..
Its not perfectly designed. Its only beautiful to our personal interpretation of what is beautiful. And ofcourse our human features have purposes, thank evolution for that.
to think this beautiful world came into exsistence by Nothingness, or what some matter? an explosion? whatever your anti- Creation stance is
Big bang is not an explosion, which shows you dont even know what it is.
have yourself a banana and read the bible, Take God at his word and see that he is REAL and then start teaching ppl how you were once an evolutionist but Now your a Creationist because you can see how God created us!!
Ive read the bible, it was an ok story book.
in other words give your brain a rest!
Im sure youve already done that, which is why your a creationist
dctalkexp said:Please just stop. Gravity is an empirically testable theory, so is germ theory, etc. Please don't compare the fallacious historical interpretation of evolution to falsifiable, legit. scientific theories. Thank you.
God bless.
Jaci Fan said:evolutionist dont believe in God
who the heck created all this beautiful world!!
Nothing? tke a look around at all the stars, the sun the moon the clouds, trees, mountians, animals, humans, plants, flowers, you name it, its all beautiful, its all perfectly designed, our human features all have a purpose ..
to think this beautiful world came into exsistence by Nothingness, or what some matter? an explosion? whatever your anti- Creation stance is
have yourself a banana and read the bible, Take God at his word and see that he is REAL and then start teaching ppl how you were once an evolutionist but Now your a Creationist because you can see how God created us!!
in other words give your brain a rest!
Arikay said:Congrats for inadvertently breaking a forum rule, by calling the faith of the majority of christians, many respected posters here, and even moderators, into question. Good job.
Might I suggest before you inadvertently break the rule again, you ask questions and learn what Evolution really is.
Im sure one of our christian biologists would be happen to explain it to you.
Thank you for your visual aid, but it does little to help your case. You calim that the changes are so minute, that it is impossible to see evolution on a big-scale in our life time. Well, in order to suppoert this theory, you have to show at least some examples of how anamolies in the DNA can produce at least a slightly new and improved anatomical structure. Can you?Pete Harcoff said:In the short term, yes. However, there are minute changes from generation to generation, so given enough generations, those small changes can accumulate and arise in large scale changes. To illustrate this point, I created this handy-dandy visual aid. In the short term "generations", the changes are so minute they are hardly visible. Yet, over an accumulation of generations, the changes are more apparent.
Almost all of the minute changes we see in organisms are detrimental to it. They are a far cry from evolution of the microbes to man sort. Change = evolution, but change does not = the theory of evolution proven by any means.I think a bulk of the problem is trying to conceptualize evolution relative to human life spans. However, it doesn't work, because there are too few changes over small numbers of generations for the effects of evolution to be readily apparent. Hence, you have creationists appeal to the idea that the same "kind" of animal will always produce the same "kind" of animal as offspring, because that is what people are used to seeing relative to their own lifespans.
Observation shows that things devolve, more or less.Actually, observation shows that life evolves. Again, however, the changes relative to human lifespans are too small to produce signfigant changes that allows one to classify such changes as from one "type" of animal to another. There is nothing, however, preventing such change given enough generations.
Jaci Fan said:christians can believe in millions of years but when a christian believes that way.. they are basicly saying God, I dont believe you created the world how you said so in the bible.
I know you said you created the world in 6 days but God i'm calling you a liar!
sorry God!!
armed2010 said:and how exactly are you being persecuted here?
Pete Harcoff said:Treating Genesis as a metaphorical message designed to convey a theogical truth to a largely scientific ignorant population (remember when Genesis was written and the audience at the time) is not the same as calling God a liar.
But if you think so, then I suggest you spend some time discussing Biblical interpretations with Christians who think differently than you, rather than simply falling back on a bunch of ignorant presumptions.
Jaci Fan said:congrats for entertaining me
Jesus said we would be persecuted for the truth and taking His word as truth
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