I know enough to know I know nothing.

[Voice Of Reason]

Do you?

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

Knowledge is slippery and hard to hold on to because always the world is changing and the world within ourselves changes as well.

 

[revolutio]

I know lots of stuff. Though every time I learn something new the vast sea of things I don't know seems to rise a bit.

 

[MoonlessNight]

I've been saying this for years now (though not on these boards).

But, also consider that to know nothing is to not know nothing (I'm talking in a zen manner now). It took me a long time to figure out what that meant, and know I've deciphered the meaning, but I don't understand it.

Bottom line, the universe is confusing, answers usually only beget more questions, and in the whole philosophy is not easy work, nor is it plausible that any of us will ever learn anything truly significant. And yet we all try. That's what I love most about the human race.

 

[Arikay]

Before we can become full, we first must become empty.

We shape the clay into a pot, but its the emptyness that we use.

 

[Brain Damage]

Yes we all sit in darkness .

 

[Carico]

But there is someone who know everything. All we have to do is ask Him. All it will cost us is humility. Unfortunately, some people think that price is too high.

 

[Arikay]

Yes, your right Carico,
The mighty tie dyed unicorn. She knows all.

 

[Brain Damage]

But there is someone who know everything

And his name is "JESUS".

I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.

 

[Havoc]

But there is someone who know everything. All we have to do is ask Him. All it will cost us is humility. Unfortunately, some people think that price is too high.

Actually it's them, and I have asked them. I got some really good answers too.

 

[Havoc]

And his name is "JESUS".

I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.

That's such an interesting concept. One has to wonder at how it evolved. Why do the Abramic religions all have this common concept that somehow light=good and darkness=evil. I mean is it really true that half of each day is shrouded in eeeeeevil? Does goodness actually exist in the body of photons and without them there is no goodness?

I never could really understand how light levels equate to morality.

 

[Arikay]

lol havoc.

So, why does this thread have to degrade into preaching by people who think they know (yes im trying to link it to the OP) the answer?

Going to the OP, realizing your dont know a lot is a big step, as you cant begin to fix your weaknesses till you realize them, you cant begin to learn till you realize you actually need too.

 

[Nathan Poe]

But there is someone who know everything. All we have to do is ask Him. All it will cost us is humility. Unfortunately, some people think that price is too high.

It's not the price, it's the product.

We prostrate ourselves, and for what? To have the gift of reason, but still get everything spoon-fed to us?

Where's the fun in that? That's like buying a bicycle, and then paying someone else to ride it for you.

 

[radorth]

If an atheist knew enough to know he knows nothing, then he wouldn't defend evolution and it's ever changing theories. But I doubt they are as humble as all that. One did admit he thought evolution was basically not proven. And it's pretty amazing how Darwin insisted we would doubtless find an "infinite" chain of missing links which were never found.

In any case, I submit that I am the only person on this board who admits there is no credible evidence for either creation or evolution.

So V of R, tell us some belief you used to have, held by other nonbelievers, which you have since given up. Evolutionary theory? A belief reason will save the world?

Rad

 

[Nathan Poe]

If an atheist knew enough to know he knows nothing,

They don't. next strawman, please.

then he wouldn't defend evolution and it's ever changing theories.

You've just contradicted yourself. If evolutionists (not Atheists, since they are not the same thing) "defended" evolution they way you mean, then the theories would never change, now would they?

But I doubt they are as humble as all that.

There are a lot of things in this would that you doubt, yet are true. You would say something like that to Atheists. I would hope you would one day believe it yourself.

One did admit he thought evolution was basically not proven.

Oooo..... one. Shall we throw a tickertape parade?

And it's pretty amazing how Darwin insisted we would doubtless find an "infinite" chain of missing links which were never found.

I wasn't aware that there was a time limit. And you do realize that Darwin was neither the first, last, nor infallible word in evolution, right?

In any case, I submit that I am the only person on this board who admits there is no credible evidence for either creation or evolution.

And mountains of posts on the C/E board alone would prove you to be half right. Surf on over sometime; we'd love to teach you what you've been missing.

So V of R, tell us some belief you used to have, held by other nonbelievers, which you have since given up. Evolutionary theory? A belief reason will save the world?

Rad

 

[radorth]

If I'm not mistaken, you missed the entire point of the OP. Or perhaps you were just looking for an opportunity to argue.

And mountains of posts on the C/E board alone would prove you to be half right.

Heh. Yeah mountains of evolutionary apologetics.

Thanks for helping me prove my point. You obviously KNOW evolution is a fact. Right?



Rad

 

[radorth]

So anyway V of R, do you KNOW evolution is a fact or not?

Rad

 

[peaceful soul]

And his name is "JESUS".

I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.

originally posted by Havoc

That's such an interesting concept. One has to wonder at how it evolved.

It evloved from the Lord our God. Jesus spoke it.

Why do the Abramic religions all have this common concept that somehow light=good and darkness=evil.

Read the Bible. It is an analogy. In the begining there was only darkness, because the earth was void. This earth had not been completely formed. Later, light was given to hide the darkness and to complete the creation.

The light is characterized in part, as a sign of things to come: meaning true hope, vision, and newness of life. The darkness is a sign of doom, void of somethingness, false hope or lack thereof and a lack of life. Now does it make sense?

Evil is void of truth (goodness) which comes from the God.

I mean is it really true that half of each day is shrouded in eeeeeevil? Does goodness actually exist in the body of photons and without them there is no goodness?

There are many references in Bible that would answer you questions. The answer is NO! You can not see it because you are looking at it from a world view. You are engaging your intellect and reasoning to it. It is really a spiritual analogy. Many things you will not be able to understand without God's spirit teaching you.

I never could really understand how light levels equate to morality.

Another way to look at it: can you walk effectively in total darkness? Wouldn't you stumble over things? Wouldn't you have doubt as to where your next step will take you? Would not you be afraid that you may hurt yourself?

Now in the presence of light: would not you be able to see where you are going. Would you still need to worry about your next step and the consequences that it may lead you to? Provided that you are looking at the ground before you take your next step, would you expect to stumble as you walk?

That explains why Jesus Christ became the light to the world. That is why Truth (Word of God) bears light to our souls. We can not find it on our own. It has to be given to us, but not with force. If you reject and decide that you want to find your own light or make you own light, you will only live in darkness; but you may not see it that way. We have a whole world of people who choose the dark path. Why? We are all sinners and want to find our own way. Fortunately, some of us surrender to the quest for our own light and submit to God who has it, because He is the source of it.

 

[Charles Darwin]

Another way to look at it: can you walk effectively in total darkness? Wouldn't you stumble over things? Wouldn't you have doubt as to where your next step will take you? Would not you be afraid that you may hurt yourself?

Now in the presence of light: would not you be able to see where you are going. Would you still need to worry about your next step and the consequences that it may lead you to? Provided that you are looking at the ground before you take your next step, would you expect to stumble as you walk?

So in turn I ask you this- if people can walk in the physical world without sight, why not in the spiritual?

And when you look too long at the light to you not resent that decision and wish that it were not darker so that you might not be in agony?

~A friendly little Riddle-Me-This-Riddle-Me-That~

 

[Carico]

We're not in agony when we walk in the light because we're forgiven! You don't understand that, Darwin. I have no illusions about my human nature because I'm loved anyway! You, however, would be in agony if you walked in the light because you don't know you're forgiven. Therefore you have to walk in darkness.