I know enough to know I know nothing.

[peaceful soul]

originally posted by Arikay

No scientist says they know anything 100%, which is why you can never "proove" anything.

More and more, scientist are getting more arrogant and often think they are above God. They can make their profession a religion. Scientist are only finding what God already knows. God probably looks at them and says something like, "You idiot! I could have told you that. Stop claiming that it is yours!"

It does take "faith" to accept science,...

True.

...but no more "faith" than it does to accept most everyday things as truth.

I can't agree with that. It takes varying amounts of faith for different things.

The theory of evolution has so much support from so many different sources that I would say for the basic theory it takes about the same amount of "faith" to accept it as is needed to accept germ theory or cell theory. Its just the tiny details that are in question anymore.

Does not creation teach that genes strengthen as generations pass? That is not true as proven by science. Genes mutate, don't they? Actually, man was more superior in the beginning, and that is according to the Bible. How did the Great Pyramid of Giza get built? and Stone Hinge? if we are genetically improving?

The Bible talks about great cataclysms on Earth, which will make it almost, if not, impossible to use things such carbon dating and chemical analysis in accurately determining the age of bones and other things. Although vague, the Bible seems to allude to a canopy possibly covering the earth before the times of Noah. Also, rain may have not existed before The Great Flood. For the record: I can't prove any of this; so don't ask me.

 

[Nathan Poe]

You ask the question....

originally posted by Nathan Poe



Where did you get that dumb idea from? Who really cares. Anyone rooted in God's word does not fear those things. God is faithful to His word: the key element that almost all of you are missing.

And a couple of posts later, you provide your own answer:

More and more, scientist are getting more arrogant and often think they are above God. They can make their profession a religion. Scientist are only finding what God already knows. God probably looks at them and says something like, "You idiot! I could have told you that. Stop claiming that it is yours!"

Methinks you doth protest too much.
You go out of your way to attack "arrogant" scientists for no reason.
What frightens you more? That they "think they're above God" with their theories, or that those theories may be right?

Since when does learning about something such as evolution becomes evil? The Bible does not tell us to stop thinking.

That's how it tends to get interpreted. Nowhere in the Bible is intelligence praised as a virtue. And those who tend to take Genesis uberliterally, who cry the loudest that evolution is Atheism, tend to subscribe to a "God-of-the-gaps" philosophy: "We don't know how it was done, so Goddidit."

The problem with that? The more you learn, the less powerful God seems to become.

Maybe you should stop and get some rest. Maybe you will think better when you wake up. At least, I pray that you do.

My, my.... such patronizing coming from such a peaceful soul. Perhaps I struck a nerve?

Perhaps we both need rest.

 

[radorth]

My, my.... such patronizing coming from such a peaceful soul. Perhaps I struck a nerve?

I doubt it. And you still haven't learned how much you don't know about Christian thinking. Your assertion that we find evolution a threat to Christianity came out of thin air, and is doubtless based on false and cynical beliefs. There is no threat to Christianity in science. In fact science wil help to prove that God exists in time, so discover and "learn" all you want. It will all look like so much foolish pontificating and apologetics in the end. I have seen the Shekinah glory actually wrap itself around a person's whole leg, and I am still awed by what I saw. So who cares what you believe at the moment?

Now the physics whizzes have decided they need string theory- a theory which depends on philosophical arguments- to unify and explain the workings of the universe. It's hilarious really, watching these self-assured mental giants act like they know something when all they find is they really know nothing at this point. To have a unified theory, they have now been forced to postulate a parallel universe and seven dimensions.

I'm sure some of the "50 Reasons to leave your faith (in evolution)" can be well disparaged by you who claim to know evolution is a "fact." However, if even two or three of the Creationist arguments disprove some major assumption by evolutionists, then you shouldn't be going around calling it a "fact." The thing is, no evolutionist can explain the answers or make the average person EVER understand who is right or wrong.

So the whole issue is merely subjective and evolutionists are basically arguing from assumptions nobody here can truly grasp, and declaring we should take it all on faith regardless of their awful "mistakes," their frenzied and fruitless searches for "missing links" and their ever changing explanations for problems.

But the discovery of few bone fragments of a "flat-faced" man by Meave Leaky, and published in a "Science" magazine has helped the strict evolutionists keep the faith.

Not that it takes much.

Rad

 

[Cruithne]

Now the physics whizzes have decided they need string theory- a theory which depends on philosophical arguments- to unify and explain the workings of the universe. It's hilarious really, watching these self-assured mental giants act like they know something when all they find is they really know nothing at this point.

Actually, radorth, string theory is at the moment the most promising theory that MIGHT serve as a unified theory. But all of these "self-assured mental giants" (in your disparaging words) are well aware of the (likely?) possibility that it could be a dead end. Yet, they continue on the search for knowledge anyways, which I think is quite wonderful (intellectual dead heads might think otherwise).

At any rate, I have far more respect for these "self-assured mental giants" and their humble search for knowledge than for the legions of ignorant "know-nothings."

To have a unified theory, they have now been forced to postulate a parallel universe and seven dimensions.

Actually, they've postulated up to an infinite number of universes and over 20 dimensions.

 

[peaceful soul]

origianally posted by Nathan Poe

You ask the question....


And a couple of posts later, you provide your own answer:


Methinks you doth protest too much.
You go out of your way to attack "arrogant" scientists for no reason.
What frightens you more? That they "think they're above God" with their theories, or that those theories may be right?

Why do you like to argue things that are not even presented in my posts? Why does everything that is in disagreement have to be an attack. If I attack, you will certainly know, because I will tell you straight up. I won't hide anything from you.

I did not go out of my way. I simply made a statement. How hard is that for you to see? With your reasoning, I shouldn't say much to you, because you will put another spin on it. I see it as a way to make a confrontation. This life has enough friction without you adding to it unnecessarily.

I am not attacking scientist. I am stating how the scientific community as a whole, has elevated itself as the know-it-alls. You can not deny that if you are honest. The word I am looking for is scientism.

Scientist and other researchers have to continually change their theories to support their new findings. What you are not acknowledging is that while they are changing their theories, the laws of this universe are already in place. The rules are not new. What is new is man's knowledge about what God has already established. Science is just doing reverse engineering, at most.

That's how it tends to get interpreted. Nowhere in the Bible is intelligence praised as a virtue. And those who tend to take Genesis uberliterally, who cry the loudest that evolution is Atheism, tend to subscribe to a "God-of-the-gaps" philosophy: "We don't know how it was done, so Goddidit."

There are gaps. This earth has had some horrible encounters. Other heavenly bodies have hit it. Glaciers have covered many parts of it. Animal and plant remains are found in areas that they could not have existed in presently. It seems to me that it is man who is to gain the most with gap theories. How else can they explain many things that they don't either understand or have projected to exist or said to have existed without having adequate proof.

The problem with that? The more you learn, the less powerful God seems to become.

The Bible is not based upon the account of Genesis. God can use whatever means He wants to achieve His work. I personally don't care that much. It is God's faithfulness to His Word that impresses me the most: not how man made lollipops.

My, my.... such patronizing coming from such a peaceful soul. Perhaps I struck a nerve?

Stick to the issue at hand and you will be much better off. I am not here to patronize, I am here to discuss and let the evidence fall in front of me and then make a hopefully, intelligent analysis of the findings.

Perhaps we both need rest.

My earlier comment was meant to be fun. That is why I made the smilie.

 

[radorth]

Actually, radorth, string theory is at the moment the most promising theory that MIGHT serve as a unified theory. But all of these "self-assured mental giants" (in your disparaging words) are well aware of the (likely?) possibility that it could be a dead end. Yet, they continue on the search for knowledge anyways, which I think is quite wonderful (intellectual dead heads might think otherwise).

At any rate, I have far more respect for these "self-assured mental giants" and their humble search for knowledge than for the legions of ignorant "know-nothings."

You have conveniently avoided the question of whether the physics whizzes must now acknowledge the possibility of a non-physical universe, or many of them. You also forgot to inform your readers of the implications-that the die-hard materialists are now forced to think philosophically in order to have a working theory, and some are complaining loudly that the two cannot be mixed together. Right?

Poor babies have to engage other parts of their brains and they don't wanna.

I can't wait until one of them admits there has to be a non-physical parallel universe, and their kid says "Dad, you mean the Christians at school are right? I thought you said they were know-nothings."

Rad

 

[Nathan Poe]

I doubt it. And you still haven't learned how much you don't know about Christian thinking. Your assertion that we find evolution a threat to Christianity came out of thin air, and is doubtless based on false and cynical beliefs.

False and cynical beliefs, yes, by Creationists. You see, I tend to do most of my lurking and posting over at the Creation/Evolution boards. The level of ignorance is simply mind-boggling at times.

Now, I will admit that my views have been tainted by those experiences, and perhaps I was quick to assume the same level of dogmatism here. For that, I apologize.

There is no threat to Christianity in science. In fact science wil help to prove that God exists in time, so discover and "learn" all you want. It will all look like so much foolish pontificating and apologetics in the end.

Are any of us mere humans wise enough to know what'll happen "in the end..."?

I have seen the Shekinah glory actually wrap itself around a person's whole leg, and I am still awed by what I saw. So who cares what you believe at the moment?

Well, that's nice...

Now the physics whizzes have decided they need string theory- a theory which depends on philosophical arguments- to unify and explain the workings of the universe. It's hilarious really, watching these self-assured mental giants act like they know something when all they find is they really know nothing at this point. To have a unified theory, they have now been forced to postulate a parallel universe and seven dimensions.

I'm sure some of the "50 Reasons to leave your faith (in evolution)" can be well disparaged by you who claim to know evolution is a "fact." However, if even two or three of the Creationist arguments disprove some major assumption by evolutionists, then you shouldn't be going around calling it a "fact." The thing is, no evolutionist can explain the answers or make the average person EVER understand who is right or wrong.

Nor can the creationists... So who's acting all superior to whom?

So the whole issue is merely subjective and evolutionists are basically arguing from assumptions nobody here can truly grasp, and declaring we should take it all on faith regardless of their awful "mistakes," their frenzied and fruitless searches for "missing links" and their ever changing explanations for problems.

Yes, wouldn't it be much easier if we stuck with one answer dogmatically no matter what contrary evidence came our way.....

But the discovery of few bone fragments of a "flat-faced" man by Meave Leaky, and published in a "Science" magazine has helped the strict evolutionists keep the faith.

Not that it takes much.

Rad

Well well well.... sounds like you've got it all figured out as well...

 

[Cruithne]

You have conveniently avoided the question of whether the physics whizzes must now acknowledge the possibility of a non-physical universe, or many of them.

What makes you think that parallel universes must be non-physical?

You also forgot to inform your readers of the implications-that the die-hard materialists are now forced to think philosophically in order to have a working theory, and some are complaining loudly that the two cannot be mixed together. Right?

Actually, it's been done before quite successfully. For example, Einstein (and others, but mostly Einstein) came up with General Relativity for purely philosophical reasons. It wasn't until later that empirical observations confirmed the theory.

Poor babies have to engage other parts of their brains and they don't wanna.

Charming, as always.

I can't wait until one of them admits there has to be a non-physical parallel universe, and their kid says "Dad, you mean the Christians at school are right? I thought you said they were know-nothings."

Rad

Who said anything about these parallel universes being non-physical?

Besides, I would guess that the majority (or at least a good sized percentage) of scientists working on string theory are Christians themselves. And I bet that a good number of the layman out there who find the subject fascinating are Christians. It's those that prefer to sit back and smugly and immaturely take pot shots at those who are honestly and humbly seeking to advance our knowledge of the universe that deserve to be called "know-nothings."