I have this feeling I should obey this

[mikeforjesus]

As I said I am just going to catholic church to show it does not know better and I know now some byzantine catholic churches do allow full water baptism normally so if they refuse for me is wrong. I also want to go to pentecostal church to prove it makes no difference the witness in oneself that it is absolutely necessary by only being baptised into christ alone and not church denomination.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I decided I will seek first to be sprinkled and confirmed and in future seek full water baptism that if I lie when they ask have I been baptised would not be wrong as is to save life and I will trust God that I did what I can.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I decided it is right not to go to church which I thought to do because people can use accusation I dont know but if they think that they can think to join church as the gospel must go out and realise church can delay to help arrange for baptism and communion as I found also sometimes others can not that things urgent delay as is case for me but if anyone wants he can seek to join faith or just accept the faith of churches is enough that you can remain catechumen perhaps or seek to contact local diocese to arrange for baptism and confirmation and if have problems go to other churches as long as you are seeking to pursue that God accepts though I believe you cant judge if person sought enough so I think not true and seek to join when they can but I trust God that it makes no difference and I will focus on preaching the gospel and I will go to any church just that it helps to confirm one is following christ but not give attention to anything that I know is not required not supported by the word of God.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I dont believe it is right to take risk that bible says God is seeking those who worship in Spirit and truth to know that God is not bound by place and that one needs to be born again by God that need to personally ask Him to be new creation and that persons need their name in the book of life if they were to die this second so must put trust in christ work alone that one stands justified by faith now that works are only the evidence of repentance that I assume perhaps John Piper meant or if he didnt that works have a place afterwards to be essential as just proof of the new birth that you would not willingly refuse to do good if there is opportunity that God gives.

For one is called to be saved now if one was to die that that is the way christ meant for wages of sin is death that person must die unless clothed in christ righteousness and you need to know you are saved now if you die that that is the way. So I believe all should put trust in christ work to be saved and afterward follow if there is chance to remain in book of life and to be raptured if there is that you stand saved now by grace not by works but when there is some who are in need now you have to do to some that there must be fruit but is not by earning as though by needing to have done to all but it is just fruit of salvation that you would seek to do to many within your affordability not too much .

And one should not sleep so he can ensure to be ready to be saved if you did not do to some charities even if it seems others may help but when you now have ability now and need to be working to be better so you may try to improve your situation to be able to have money to help others or to gain skills to help those you can without money that is different way to help but one is not excused not to work or to not be charitable if have money and atleast you would do to all those who specially need one help that it seems no one may help them in the capacity that you can not to sleep unless you do that you can help so people should and pray if christ shows all christians can be saved.

The point is one needs to trust in christ to ensure to be saved if he dies now but he must have been seeking to do good for the spread of the gospel so should do any type of work for the bible says He came to redeem people zealous for good works but can be any so they are important after saved but also required to help all one knows is in need who it is specially more than others your responsibility to help who you know others will not help to feed the hungry clothe the naked visit the sick you know who need help you can offer and the gospel and who you know so they will receive your company and those in prison and receive a stranger who is brethren in christ for His sake when one becomes aware that certain person definitely needs specially one help now then you must not sleep unless you do.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I believe it is not right to support divisions so I won’t because does not look good that people witness to seriousness of God commandments and to encourage other christians to take seriously God’s commandments and to love all others that their service is also valued though they ought to always that they ought to trust God to accept that belief if they doubted to leave judgement to christ or still serve God following church which includes to preach Him. To be born again I believe means you are not saved by baptism but there has to be a time when you come to believe in Jesus yourself which would come by seeking God to help one which is why Jesus tells nicodemus John 3:16.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I wrote this message to a bishop and decided to follow catholic church if they dont give answers.

He said to me before the below but I suspect priests do sometimes delay baptism. I asked him because I wanted to confirm churches can have no authority to say to judge others since they delay baptism.

You need to ask to be baptized and the church cannot deny your baptism if you have the right faith

It troubles me that church does not show to give assurance any one can be saved since does not say if priest sometimes delays and they die not knowing if made enough effort to seek another if they can be saved since it sometimes happens not knowing if they make enough effort to seek otherwise to show church father quotes from church fathers who were in contact supposedly with those in contact with apostles or evidence any one baptism is accepted so if that is the case i think catholic church is more right and will regrettably have to follow unless to give answer then if so I decided to follow below.

I decided to follow catholic church as it makes more sense that they did make the right decision for pope to approve of any one baptism as ignatius says let no one do anything without the approval of the bishop so if he approves of baptism outside the church it is right though he cant teach anything a pope before has taught wrong or anything against the word of God. One does not need to be confirmed in catholic church to be saved or to partake of sacraments for they allow orthodox as also they approve of orthodox sacraments it just strengthens one to perfect one in catholic church that they may be saved on death for validity of sacraments to take away sins now but accepting the faith is enough. So I decided to follow catholic church and still preach christ as any still may be saved and if they may not know I preach church but if they know and are concerned can join catholic church.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I personally dont believe in divisions and I even had a dream that I asked God to show me why there is hell for all who reject Jesus and disobedient and an angel was going to show me and said to me it was right that I did not support divisions but I was weeping and crying while I was ascending because I feared what God might say that it would be something against those I love that I know they will not listen to so the dream ended. But I dont put trust in dreams for sure so I seek to follow what I hear.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I decided instead it is right to trust christ that such divisions dont matter and God wants us to spread the message of christ that it is right to trust Him not to confuse people with other denominations and if they want they can join any church. The point is that christ comes first as He said seek first the kingdom of God that our pursuit of any gift from God on this earth as they are gifts.

For the bible says every gift if it is good comes from the Father of lights that it is from Him if it does not take you away from pursuing God righteousness and the bible says God richly gives us all things to enjoy so to enjoy things is not wrong if it does not take you away from God and replace doing God will and is not to be sought instead of seeking first His righteousness to do His will that His will must be pursued to be doing that pursuing anything does not replace it.

You can not serve God and mammon just means that you need to focus on serving God first for if you were focusing on mammon first you do not end up serving God for the bible allows after saying seek first the kingdom of God and its righteousness and all these things will be added meaning will be added if you seek it as just says seek first so to seek after is ok but God only promises your needs being met for it is not support of prosperity gospel to say everyone will prosper if they are good but only if that is within the will of God for that person otherwise He has other good plans for one.

m.youtube.com/watch?si=4PeVuWeuXTs47-55&v=yCZwm5tcfLQ&feature=youtu.be

 

[mikeforjesus]

I believe we should trust in christ work alone to receive christ as Lord and saviour is the only way to be saved though works are only to be saved on death. One should not trust in any of one works as that is right as long as you dont delight in others suffering it is right for them to be saved. But christians should do good works that these things are good and profitable to men. We should do trusting it is enough though we must not be lukewarm in our lifestyle according to word of God. So we should and trust in christ to show if others are saved. I am not asking people not to do good works they know they should but it should not be done because one seeks to earn that should say to God that one wants one trust in christ not works though should do.

That should believe the parable of the rich man and lazarus meaning was christ was as Lazarus that Israel had not listened to moses and the prophets to be prepared to receive the messiah which was the basis of their ancient faith or that lazarus was gentiles or other shunned Jews that Israel did know about the messiah to that way be rich even if they did not receive they refused to feed nations with the riches of their heritage of the messiah to speak about the only atonement that takes away sins even though they had been rich in knowledge that they could accept and share.

So I believe all should receive christ as Lord and saviour to trust in christ as saviour to ensure to be saved and raptured if there is and pray if christ shows all christians can be saved and works are necessary to be saved on death and should be done as these things are good and profitable to men.

I received this tract recently from church pastor I visit a new one not this one with number and I believe is right to put trust in christ as saviour for God does not need works that looks at heart if person wants others to suffer but person is not obliged to do because God relationship to all is unconditional grace but necessary to do to be saved on death and to be blessed for even we see any can be saved according to scripture even those who think you need to do works that people get away with not doing just to seek to even if they cant apologise.

I believe the lazy servant refers to people who heard the gospel and refused to accept its conditions to repent while they can that he would never confess christ before men that they may be saved that you can die that way if you dont have opportunity to repent to call to christ.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I did want to preach that as I was concerned and because I wanted many others not to think I am ok to make salvation harder that I wanted to make it easier for people to accept the message that there is great revivial but I think is a mistake that should leave to christ who alone knows that we should trust Him that He understands if person thinks he needs to do works and is safer way. So others should try to obey christ to atleast help those who you can help now and those who you know who specially need your help because we should not make divisions. I must preach the truth incase is required that that God gets angry for Him to say I did not send you and you did not tell the people to follow Me as the false prophets before did who did not warn people as God will not change His requirements and wants a harvest out of it.

 

[mikeforjesus]

The bishop I contacted said

If all the clergy refused, I trust that the mercies of God will intervene here. But I am confident it would be a very very rare case that all the clergy from all the orthodox churches would deny one baptism


Then I said

Thankyou for replying but problem is even though not all would one could die after being refused by a clergy before he had chance to see another clergy or he might have sought to seek another clergy but if he dies before how can one know if he is accepted that cant judge if he made enough effort to seek

And he said

Then we should trust in the mercies of the Lord

I suppose then is an option but I decided it right to trust in christ as is more important that person focuses on keeping commandments and repenting then seeking to be baptised but can try to do both first of all keeping commanments and in mean time seek baptism

I said to him when he advised I study churches before I join.

I do not plan to join any church as people need christ urgently and is not right to confuse person whether he is really accepted if his decision is right or stumble any one in a church that all in every church should be encouraged to be focusing on preaching and serving christ

 

[mikeforjesus]

I decided following the orthodox church is best for me incase it nourishes me and gives me wisdom and is safe so I will follow and seek God also to know if christ accepts others and to gain wisdom which may be all I need but incase I find it church that is safe. But I will also preach christ only because it may be enough and a friend needs help that it is up to them to decide to follow church if they want that if they dont know I preach church I will just be as another to them who doesnt preach church but if they know me and my beliefs they can follow orthodox church.

 

[mikeforjesus]

The below video recommends to study bible to read the bible to seek the truth which one can do though I think it may not be true you dont need to seek to do works that the bible does not teach so should not accept if God does not reveal but can study incase. I was told by a dear christian friend the below. She told me

The parable of the rich man and lazarus was not about what the rich man needed to do to be saved it was just to state conditions that one followed God and was poor and one was rich yet he did not accept christ.

m.youtube.com/watch?si=Vr36U-U2HUTo37rH&v=4VA9817kSfo&feature=youtu.be

 

[mikeforjesus]

I am still following church to see if it helps and to preach incase safe and seek God to know and wisdom but these words in picture may provide the guidance needed to do God will.Once I had a dream where God made me think of the verse I think I may have recited it as I was seeking to pray while praying with my mum I think was praying a part of psalm 143 and voice said afterwards to speak to me the words seek My face from a verse that says when you said seek My face my heart said your face Lord I will seek.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I do decide following orthodox church is safe that I will tell others that is my belief but I will still go to baptist church and other churches which only follow the bible to tell them to seek to allow them to seek to prove more they are right in their current beliefs or to teach them to repent and together when they do if they show me more clearly the way and if they do not prove to happen to seek God enough to say to them I think is right to follow orthodox church.And I will also go to catholic church to learn from them what is right but does not mean I agree with them as right that I think orthodox church is more right if one of them is church Jesus established and they should follow it.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I decided not to follow orthodox church though I only wanted to as I thought is solution as people are judgemental and I thought people may reject my preaching if I am not different to be secure to follow church if they doubt but they can follow church if they think so and I realise is wrong because some are in countries where it would be difficult to travel to see priest and even if they do they may die before and you cant judge if they made enough effort to see priest and they would need to be ordained as priests so they can also have communion too.

But anyway they dont need to as Jesus said you dont need to when He showed the samaritan woman you dont need a place to worship God. So I preach following christ is enough and if anyone wants he can try to follow church if he is not in position where it is hard to see priest or if he is he can try to though he may not have assurance if his effort is enough to travel to be priest. I will just go to any church to help to prove to myself and others or to see for myself if I am walking according to word of God though I do not need it but will ensure to provide accountability to know for sure or just to prove I am.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I believe really it is wrong to trust in works as though God requires it and many have taught we are saved by grace not of works lest any boast that really it is the only way to be secure that it is wrong to think we must always do works and justification by works does not work for one can not judge ever if person has sought enough to do all works only that you must be repenting because you can die while planning to sin and when not in your heart turning from sin to which can be in a moment and others have pinged their salvation on it and I think is safe that I would rather trust them. Christ may accept others who trust in works but I dont know that I think is safe to trust in christ only and leave judgement of other christians to christ alone.

Gakatians 2:17-21
17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

I was watching a billy graham crusade and he really seems he knows christ and he explains we are dead until we receive the message that when you do ask christ to save you to receive Him as saviour and Lord christ does a work to make you alive that you must be born again. And it would be unfortunate to pass over all the work done to save souls that it is only message that gives hope that we might not get opportunity again for a easy escape but to go through tribulation where there is a famine for hearing the words of the Lord only in the sense of no deliverance from tribulation.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I believe is a mistake that must trust God that He would not judge people who think they need to do works as He is a just God that should not make divisions that I only thought to do now because I thought I might do in the future for a long time without repenting.

So people should seek to do works to often serve God in some way not too much not all time so you are ready and also to seek to help others you never helped if you can and if cant work towards being able to though maybe only required to help those who you know need specially your help and atleast help those you know seek your help and within affordability when it comes to need money many who need help but not too much and otherwise also where it is not wrong to but dont know so should seek to help all you can before you sleep that we can not say you can not judge if person was not seeking for it is enough to call to repent to seek to that seeking to seriously if that is your last thoughts is enough.

If righteousness comes from the law christ died in vain to me just means keeping the law without believing in christ because such is not to acknowledge your need for His atonement to take away sins and it is true none are perfect but they must seek to keep the law that all christians understand no servant is without sin in one day. I should keep the unity of the Spirit in peace and leave judgement to christ if christ accepts to not seek to do work.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I have reposted a link to above 2 other posts that will help others to think about to understand gospel.

www.christianforums.com/threads/i-have-this-feeling-i-should-obey-this.8188442/post-77549223

www.christianforums.com/threads/i-have-this-feeling-i-should-obey-this.8188442/post-77556468

I reposted the above 2 posts as I think they are right that eternal life is a gift that we have earned death as our wages for breaking some of the law and is wrong to think any of our works would make us worthy for we have fallen short and it must be received as a gift like a child that never did any works to earn God love to think you can that I believe such is right and others pinged their salvation on it so I think is best for me and others to trust them knowing it is just that they dont deserve to be forsaken as God does not need our works that is wrong to think we can bribe God.

So I believe all should receive christ as Lord and saviour to trust in His work not our own works just to repent and accept the gospel to believe in your heart that Jesus was raised and confess with your mouth jesus is Lord for whoever calls on the name of the Lord is saved. So I believe all should call on the Lord Jesus to do so immediately as ones next second is not promised and confess christ as you dont know if you have opportunity to call to christ. For i realise is wrong to think one can be perfect without sin is false game hypocrisy for none fully keep the law at all times if they die then and I think is impossible to keep the law fully at any moment as there is always a sin that has not been fully repented of in this life so we dont trust in our ability so the law is our tutor to bring us to christ and there is always more works to do to be in need and cant judge if sought enough so salvation by works does not work. So one put trust in christ to ensure to be saved and to be raptured if there is and pray if christ shows all christians can be saved.

Good works I think could also justify the unsaved in that their love is rewarded to give them faith that saves for jesus said if any seek to do His will will know about my doctrine and whoever gives to one of my disciples a cup of cold water because he belongs to christ will not lose his reward and if anyone keeps my commandments I will manifest myself to Him. One is not saved by works lest any boast will mean that it was not that he needed to do works to be saved but if one believed one will be saved but does not mean such works may not lead to faith. But it does not always lead to faith God gives more opportunity to come but person has to desire to search.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I do seek to go to orthodox church as I am invited but just to confirm my walk with God in forsaking all sin according to bible though i dont believe you can be sinless to make full repentance for all sin in this life and also helping to encourage to do more good works but I have my own beliefs that I believe one should receive christ as Lord and saviour and put trust in christ work not in any of his works.