i have a question.

[SirKenin]

I get so tired of this sometimes. Everyone has different reasons for the choices they make, just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean you can interpret their intentions yourself and throw out bogus numbers like this. God says that he is the only one who can judge our intentions, yet you take it upon yourself to say "You're just doing it because of sex, even though you say you aren't." Sorry, but you're not a psychic, and its not your's or anyone else's place to make assumptions about other people's intentions.

Amen hun

 

[DaveKerwin]

I get so tired of this sometimes. Everyone has different reasons for the choices they make, just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean you can interpret their intentions yourself and throw out bogus numbers like this. God says that he is the only one who can judge our intentions, yet you take it upon yourself to say "You're just doing it because of sex, even though you say you aren't." Sorry, but you're not a psychic, and its not your's or anyone else's place to make assumptions about other people's intentions.

If I had good intentions to smoke crack, does that make smoking crack moral? NO. There are black and white issues in this world. Sex is one of them. Why? Because just like everything else, God has COMMANDED us to do certain things.

So again, your "intention" does not matter. Your ACTION matters. I threw out a figure based on my experiences in talking to people. Besides, if you paid attention to it, I said that "most" people's intentions are that. If you assumed that I included you in most, then that is your fault for assuming, not mine.

Jill, regardless of your intention, the action is what matters. I believe a couple is not married just by thinking so. The place I live says I need a piece of paper. God says to obey the land I live in. So therefore, God says I need the piece of paper. Simple as that.

 

[JillLars]

Dave, I'm not talking about me personally, I'm not talking about the morality of anything, I'm talking about you making assumptions about why people believe the way they do, and then throwing out bogus numbers. You said that most people believe differently about marriage because of sex whether they admit it or not. That last part is what I have a problem with. If most people you know skirt around the issue because of sex, then that's fine, but if they say otherwise then you don't have any right to go around second guessing their motives, that's not your place.

 

[DaveKerwin]

Dave, I'm not talking about me personally, I'm not talking about the morality of anything, I'm talking about you making assumptions about why people believe the way they do, and then throwing out bogus numbers. You said that most people believe differently about marriage because of sex whether they admit it or not. That last part is what I have a problem with. If most people you know skirt around the issue because of sex, then that's fine, but if they say otherwise then you don't have any right to go around second guessing their motives, that's not your place.

Sometimes it is easy to see through the words someone says, and understand reality. If someone tells me they love and respect God's law, I am gonna check braches to see if they really mean that. Actions speak louder than words.

If a dating couple struggled with physical things, and one day they tell me they are "married in God's eyes", and fornicating is now thelogically correct, then that tells me a whole lot about their motivations. It is easy to tell things like that. The majority of christians who try to get out of the marriage ceremony have side intentions. The honorable thing to do would be to elope, or just wait until you are married.

 

[JillLars]

I understand what you're saying Dave, and I agree with you, there are a lot of people out there who have "side intentions", but there are people who have held beliefs about "being married in God's eyes" long before they decided to have sex, or even met the person they were going to be with for the rest of their lives. Now, if someone who has been outspoken against sex before marriage, suddenly changes their mind when they start sleeping with someone, I can see how you would second guess their motives, but if they have believed that way all along, it doesn't make them a bad person, it just means they have a different interpretation of things.

 

[DaveKerwin]

I guess we will again have to agree to disagree. I can't agree with your interpretation. So it would be useless to continue from here. Peace.

 

[charligirl]

ummm....my question was "Does God approve of people just get a marriage Certificate and having no ceremoney"

I think that marriage is a covenant, in the bible a covenant was 'cut' with a promise and blood. When you marry you make that promise in your vows and you make love physically, in which blood is shed as the hymen breaks (ok, I know it can break without sex but I am talking about how it was intended to be)

I think marriage in God's eyes needs both of these things.

In the UK to be husband and wife in the eyes of the law and to society, you have to undertake a marriage ceremony, or you are not actually married and cannot receive the financial benefits of that status, or inherit automatically on the death of one spouse. My thoughts are that the bible tells us to obey the law of our land.. if 'marriage' is only officially recognised after a ceremony, then to be married you need one. If you live in a country where your promise to each other is reconised by the law and society as marriage, then that is enough.