i have a question.

[SirKenin]

So would adults.

the whole "married in God's eyes" is a bunch of GARBAGE !!

Jesus's parents left a good example for us, no sex until the wedding day.You heard right, WEDDING DAY.

Follow the law of the land, don't be a rebel.

You're an excitable little fellow, aren't you?

There was never a mention that laws dictated Joseph and Mary had to be married. I'm not saying that people in that day and age did not choose to have a ceremony to show their intentions to unite. And I'm certainly not going to say that sex before a union is right, because it's not.

The tricky part is that our society has become corrupted. In a perfect world, there would be no sex before a union of husband and wife. There would be a dating period where the partners would abstain, followed by leaving of their parents to form a union and start a new life. That union would be consecrated by the act of sex.

Sexual immorality destroyed all that. That does not, however, lend credence to your case.

 

[SirKenin]

MrFeelGood, obey the law.

Show me that law.

 

[SirKenin]

well what you are talking about is making a choice too. It's all a choice.

Ah. Oui. It's all about choice. Not about mandate.

 

[mina]

Ah. Oui. It's all about choice. Not about mandate.

I think it also has to do with self worth and being proud of the person you choose.

 

[SirKenin]

I think it also has to do with self worth and being proud of the person you choose.

I would tend to strongly disagree, as I have no doubt found myself in that position far more times than you have.

However, that notwithstanding the point remains. It's not a matter of law, it's a matter of choice. Not that I'm knocking it, as I was legally married once. Nothing changes, but there's extra paperwork and expense for the dissolution of a "legal union". Great fun if you're a lawyer.

 

[DaveKerwin]

1. You're an excitable fellow, aren't you?

2. Sexual immorality destroyed all that.

3. Show me that law.

1.Yes.

2. Sexual immorality should be preached against, it does not honor God. Simply because things are messed up, we are not to go and do our own thing. The bottom line is that we all must obey the law.

3. It's the place YOU live, know your own law. Where I live, you are not married without a marriage certificate. I am getting married in June, and no matter what I do, I will not be married in ANYONE's eyes until after the ceremony.


Sex can wait.

 

[mina]

I would tend to strongly disagree, as I have no doubt found myself in that position far more times than you have.

However, that notwithstanding the point remains. It's not a matter of law, it's a matter of choice. Not that I'm knocking it, as I was legally married once. Nothing changes, but there's extra paperwork and expense for the dissolution of a "legal union". Great fun if you're a lawyer.

I'm sorry but I disagree with you. And my opinion is still valid even though you have had more bad experiences than I have. maybe you should calm down. I don't know why you are trying to fight with me. I don't think a piece of paper is something to be scared of. And if I ever get married I'm going to have a "legal union". I honestly think that if you are going to get married to someone, it should be someone that you are proud enough of to make it legal in the eyes of God and everyone. And if you are sitting around trying to find a way to be "married" without having to get "married", then you are probably trying to justify something. Like I said before commitment shouldn't be something that's easy and convienent. Just my opinion.

 

[SirKenin]

1.Yes.

2. Sexual immorality should be preached against, it does not honor God. Simply because things are messed up, we are not to go and do our own thing. The bottom line is that we all must obey the law.

3. It's the place YOU live, know your own law. Where I live, you are not married without a marriage certificate. I am getting married in June, and no matter what I do, I will not be married in ANYONE's eyes until after the ceremony.


Sex can wait.

I don't want to take this much farther, or we're going to end up arguing over semantics. I'm curious. Which state do you live in?

edit: Never mind. Every now and again it would probably be a good idea if I did a little bit of homework and just check the profile. lol

 

[SirKenin]

I'm sorry but I disagree with you. And my opinion is still valid even though you have had more bad experiences than I have. maybe you should calm down. I don't know why you are trying to fight with me. I don't think a piece of paper is something to be scared of. And if I ever get married I'm going to have a "legal union". I honestly think that if you are going to get married to someone, it should be someone that you are proud enough of to make it legal in the eyes of God and everyone. And if you are sitting around trying to find a way to be "married" without having to get "married", then you are probably trying to justify something. Like I said before commitment shouldn't be something that's easy and convienent. Just my opinion.

Hai, you're welcome to disagree and have your own opinion, as I am mine. I wouldn't be telling me to calm down though. That insinuates that I'm worked up, which I'm not, and I don't appreciate it.

I'm not trying to justify anything either. I will be getting legally married in a couple of years myself. I'm merely presenting the facts as I see them. If the law says otherwise, fine, obey that law, albeit I have yet to see one. When I see a couple being dragged off to jail for living together with their partner, I'll come back here and go "Jumping jehosophats, batman, you were right".

In the meantime, I'm going to club me a pardner and drag her back to my domicile.

 

[Jamida]

Wow! You guys are getting heated in here! I'll put my 2cents worth in and you can attack me now.

Here's my take on the issue:

The Bible may not state in so many words, "Thou shalt have a wedding ceremony or you are not married." Correct. However, are we so blind that we can't read Scripture and read the many MANY references of weddings, wedding ceremonies, marriage feasts, even eternity has a MARRIAGE Feast surrounding the unification between Christ and His bride?

I feel God has designed the "tradition" of ceremony and wedding to celebrate and formalize the uniting of one man and one woman. He's big on making vows and promises in the form of a ceremony. See his covenants with Noah, Abraham, etc. Vows that are spoken are to be a witness to those who cross our lives. Vows that are made in promise to God and our spouse indicate a commitment and are witnessed by 5 or 350 other people who become a part of those vows by being our witnesses before God. Just "deciding" to be committed is like me "deciding" to go on a diet in January. Who holds me accountabel to this commitment? What formalizes it? Who blesses it? No one. It's random and trust me, seen it done, and it rarely succeeds. Both in marriage and diets!

God is ALL about rituals and ceremonies. It makes these commitments more binding, real, public, and our government just adds to it by making it lawfully binding. And, as it's been said in Scripture, we are to obey our governing law. THAT is plainly spoken - so if you argue that - then ... all I can say is take it up with God, not me, I didn't write it.

 

[Jamida]

Oh, and by the way, I'm not even remotely a traditional fundamentalist so don't excuse my words based on that assumption!

 

[SirKenin]

Oh, and by the way, I'm not even remotely a traditional fundamentalist so don't excuse my words based on that assumption!

haha. Nobody's excusing anything based on that premise I hope. Rather the existence of facts or lack thereof. I'm going to read your post again when I get back from my errand and hopefully get a chance to respond. As you can no doubt see, this type of thing tickles my fancy

 

[Warrior Poet]

3. It's the place YOU live, know your own law. Where I live, you are not married without a marriage certificate. I am getting married in June, and no matter what I do, I will not be married in ANYONE's eyes until after the ceremony.

If you made a pact to God to take this woman as your wife then you are married in his eyes, legitimizing sex is another issue, I still cant fathom why a piece if paper and a party matters so much to God. If you wait untill the day you marry to make that pact in front of Him good, thats perfect and the way it should be in most people eyes, but God is not most people.

Sex can wait.

Problem is most people cant.

Warrior Poet

 

[Warrior Poet]

God is ALL about rituals and ceremonies.

I dont think so. Man is though.

 

[Jamida]

Then why did God insitute sacrifial rituals in the Old Testament? The entire OT is based around laws - hence the Pentateuch - etc. Anyway, here's probably not the spot to argue theology. I just don't think you can blatantly say God isn't about rituals and ceremonies and vows when so much of the building of the Nation of Israel is based around such things.

 

[SirKenin]

/me returns with latest victim dragging on the ground behind him..

Is this issue settled yet? I'm not much for catch and release, gentlemen.

 

[DaveKerwin]

If you made a pact to God to take this woman as your wife then you are married in his eyes, legitimizing sex is another issue, I still cant fathom why a piece if paper and a party matters so much to God. If you wait untill the day you marry to make that pact in front of Him good, thats perfect and the way it should be in most people eyes, but God is not most people.



Problem is most people cant.

Warrior Poet

There is no separation of a God marriage and state marriage. They are one in the same because the ceremony is recognized by both. So there is no such thing as being "married in God's eyes", what a joke.

A piece of paper matters to God BECAUSE HE TOLD US TO GET ONE!

The problem is not that most people can't wait for sex, the problem is that most people have a cheap love for Jesus, if it even should be called love.

I get really angry when people get selfish and treat God's commands so lightly.

 

[SirKenin]

Then why did God insitute sacrifial rituals in the Old Testament?

Mind expanding on that? Specifics would be good.

If you recall, the temple rituals were eradicated by Jesus' dying on the cross. The grip of the temple priests was released and the temple was destroyed just a few decades later.

 

[Jamida]

* drfeelgood returns with latest victim dragging on the ground behind him..

Is this issue settled yet? I'm not much for catch and release, gentlemen.

All I'd recommend is you drag by the shirt collar and not the hair.

 

[SirKenin]

There is no separation of a God marriage and state marriage. They are one in the same because the ceremony is recognized by both. So there is no such thing as being "married in God's eyes", what a joke.

A piece of paper matters to God BECAUSE HE TOLD US TO GET ONE!

Oh He did, did He? Care to point us to the passage...? The Gospel according to DaveKerwin, chapter nine, verse 23?

/me makes a paper airplane out of his marriage certificate from his now defunct marriage.

I get really angry when people get selfish and treat God's commands so lightly.

Get selfish, or get factual?

And you might want to take an Ativan or something, bro. I can see the veins popping in your forehead.. lol Just relax and enjoy the ride.