i have a question.

[GodBoy809]

Well, we all know that the government likes to try and drive God out of everything. And nowadays all you have to do to get married is sign a piece of paper and bam! your married.

so heres my question, do you think God approves of the couples that get married this way? i mean, that just sign the piece of paper, and don't have a wedding ceremony.

 

[Warrior Poet]

Actually back in the day they didnt have a ceremony either...i think the "water into wine" was reseachered and said to be a wedding party when He did that, other then that I never heard of a wedding ceremony or party nor a piece of paper that betrothed you to another person in biblical times ( i could be wrong...could be)...I think much of that has become man made tradition, I think God approves of it but its more of the state of mind and heart we are in that really intrests Him.

God wont ask you if you signed and had a celebration for your wedding He'll ask if your wedding was a sign that deserved celeration.

Warrior Poet

 

[SirKenin]

I have a concept for you to contemplate. Now, you will have to keep in mind that this is an unorthodox concept as far as this board is concerned and I'm sure to draw fire for it, but here goes.

What is it that the Bible says about marriage? The Bible says that marriage is God ordained.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27

For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. Genesis 2:24

The Bible defines the role of the husband and wife in the union. This can be found in Ephesians 5:22-33.

However, and this is what's going to get me into trouble with the radicals and fundamentalists, NOWHERE in the Bible is a ceremony mandated. To take this one step further, NOWHERE in the Bible is a certificate of marriage mandated. Rather the man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife. The only certificate mentioned in the Bible that I know of, as it pertains to marriage, is a certificate of divorce permitted by Moses.

A marriage ceremony is simply a matter of tradition, then, and preference.

What about a marriage certificate? It's a nifty little way for the government to conveniently cash in on a concept and give them some semblance of control. Don't forget, according to Canadian laws you are considered a common law union after living together for one year. Three years entitles you to much the same protections and rights as a legally wed couple.

However, in the United States it's a little different. Only fourteen states recognize common law marriages. In order to be entitled to certain legal rights, such as child custody rights, spousal support, entitlement to government benefit programs, etc, you must be legally wed.

Considering the aforementioned, I would challenge that the only consideration you need to make when considering a marriage certificate is whether you want to be assured of every right and benefit available to a legal union.

 

[Warrior Poet]

^^^

Hey thats what I said.

LOL

Well put Dr. and I agree.

Warrior Poet

 

[GodBoy809]

whoa, thats really confusing. I'm sorry, i dont follow. But, more or less you just kinda ask your partner to get married and thats it, your married. You dont have to do anything after that? I'm sorry, but that doesnt seem right at all.

 

[SirKenin]

What I'm saying is that all you have to do is bang her over the head with your club and drag her into your cave.

lol. The reason you don't comprehend is because that's very much against the radical fundamentalist dogma that's no doubt been pumped into your brain. I prefer to have the facts, myself.

 

[msjones21]

Actually, there were wedding ceremonies in the Bible. They lasted for several days.

 

[Super Gnat]

I think that we as Christians should get legally married if possible, because we are called to obey the law unless it conflicts with God. Will God bless your marriage if you are not married in the eyes of the law?

It's true that in a country with no marriage, or in a desert island scenario, simply making the commitment and having sex is enough. But if you are able to be legally married, why wouldn't you be?

 

[Droobie]

Should there not be a declaration by both husband and wife, to God before witnesses?

 

[SirKenin]

Actually, there were wedding ceremonies in the Bible. They lasted for several days.

True But the Bible does not say they are mandated. It was (and is) merely a matter of tradition and choice

 

[SirKenin]

Should there not be a declaration by both husband and wife, to God before witnesses?

Ok. Says who? That's what I'm saying. Is it based on dogma or fact?

 

[GodBoy809]

simply making the commitment and having sex is enough.

hmm....telling teens that would be a wrong idea, they'd abuse that in a heartbeat.

 

[JillLars]

I agree Godboy, in our society today it seems impossible to believe that a couple could actually promise themselves to one another and keep that promise without having a marriage ceremony first. Personally, I think that's a little sad. I have never had to worry about my fiance cheating on me, I don't have to worry about him walking out the door, and I won't have to worry about these things after we are legally married. I think its sad that so many people abuse it, it gives those of us who don't a bad name.

 

[DaveKerwin]

You are NOT married unless the state recognized it.

Do NOT be mislead.

We do NOT live in any other time period or government of the past. Numerous times in the scripture, God tells us to obey governing authorities. Don't be a rebel and sin, just obey. You are NOT married until you have the certificate. Don't be a fool and believe otherwise.

 

[DaveKerwin]

hmm....telling teens that would be a wrong idea, they'd abuse that in a heartbeat.

So would adults.

the whole "married in God's eyes" is a bunch of GARBAGE !!

Jesus's parents left a good example for us, no sex until the wedding day.You heard right, WEDDING DAY.

Follow the law of the land, don't be a rebel.

 

[DaveKerwin]

hmm....telling teens that would be a wrong idea, they'd abuse that in a heartbeat.

So would adults.

the whole "married in God's eyes" is a bunch of GARBAGE !!

 

[mina]

I think that if you have to think out loopholes and plans so you can be "married" without getting "married" then you are trying to rationalize something. Making a committment to someone should not be easy and convienent. Any committment worth making should cause you to make an effort; it should cause significant change in your life. I think making a committment should be something you should be proud about and want to make known before everyone, wiether it be with a ceremony or before a judge in a courthouse. There's something about making the effort that makes it more special. If you are God's child- then y ou are worth it, and the person you want to grow old with is worth it too (or should be worth it).

 

[SirKenin]

I think that if you have to think out loopholes and plans so you can be "married" without getting "married" then you are trying to rationalize something. Making a committment to someone should not be easy and convienent. Any committment worth making should cause you to make an effort; it should cause significant change in your life. I think making a committment should be something you should be proud about and want to make known before everyone, wiether it be with a ceremony or before a judge in a courthouse. There's something about making the effort that makes it more special. If you are God's child- then y ou are worth it, and the person you want to grow old with is worth it too (or should be worth it).

What you are talking about is making a choice.

Noone has yet to indicate why people in 14 states and all of Canada must receive a marriage certificate to receive rights and privileges of a legal union under the law. Noone has yet to indicate why residents of those states and provinces must receive a certificate to be united at all. There is no law iterating same.

In the remaining states, the state doesn't recognize the union as being a legal marriage for the purpose of specific rights and privileges. That does NOT mean that a law exists that you must have a certificate to be united, because there isn't one. It certainly does not mean that God doesn't recognize it.

Therefore, all things considered, the quotes of obeying the laws of the land don't apply.

I feel that we really need to look at the facts. People make judgemental decisions every day that stand to destroy relationships and families based on fundamentalist right-wing dogma. My biggest concern is that people are falling for what organized religion wants you to believe, rather than researching the facts for themselves. I, for one, have made that mistake in the past and refuse to do it anymore.

Now, where's my club? I have to go find me a bride.

 

[DaveKerwin]

MrFeelGood, obey the law.

 

[mina]

well what you are talking about is making a choice too. It's all a choice.