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the Pope as human, is fallible. that doesn't close anything.Bianca, you are not a fundamentalist, rather, you are a catholic I see. So what does the pope say? He's the vicar in the catholic faith, and that should pretty well close the book on this issue, shouldn't it? Why listen to some strange doctrine?
That is if you view homosexuality as a sin. I do not, and I stand with the gay Christian Churches with the true interpretations. The interpretations that set me free from Satanic strongholds!
I thought we were talking about what parts of the scriptures can be taken literally or not. Ok, below is the quote I was resonding to.
You believe we were debating the authority of a source, hmm, well ok.
So I ask what are we suppose to do about the scriptures that tell us to rebuke, reproof, correct, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine?
How can we do the above things if we can't know what is sound doctrine?
Let me ask the question this way. Do you believe the scriptures that tell us to rebuke, reproof, correct, etc. should be taken literally? If not why?
Is it not a fact that the scriptures tell us to use the scriptures for those things so that we might stay strong in the faith? Do you believe the scriptures that say that should be taken to mean what they say, and are they for today or were they only good for the time that they were written?
1 Tim 5:20
20Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
2 Tim 4:1-5
1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Titus 1:9-16
9Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
10For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
2 Tim 3:16
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Perhaps we should read tarot cards instead.
MYTH #1: The Bible condemns homosexuality & same-gender relationships.
FACT: There is not one condemnation of homosexuality as ones innate sexual constitution in the Scriptures. In fact, any reputable Bible scholar will tell you that when the original manuscripts were written in the languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, in none of these languages did the word "homosexual," or any viable translation of the word, exist.
http://www.opendoorcenter.com/myths_&_facts.htm
Get to know the facts:
http://whosoever.org/bible/
Do research:
http://gaychurch.org/Gay_and_Christian_YES/gay_and_christian_yes.htm
read, read, read, read, read. And digest digest digest.
So, you believe in the interpretations that "set you free" from Satan? Or... make you okay when you sin?
Hmmmm....
Again, how can anyone read the above verses and misinterpret them. How 'bout you tell us what you think they mean.
teen, you presented yourself as someone who was so confused and doubtful about the whole issue, when you clearly had a crystal clear opinion from before. a little bit disloyal , don't you think?MercyBurst, I just laughed!
Originally Posted by davedjy
Myth #2: Dave cares about what the scriptures REALLY say.
deja-vù?Quote:
Originally Posted by davedjy
[SIZE=-1]MYTH #1: The Bible condemns homosexuality & same-gender relationships.
FACT: There is not one condemnation of homosexuality as one’s innate sexual constitution in the Scriptures. In fact, any reputable Bible scholar will tell you that when the original manuscripts were written in the languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, in none of these languages did the word "homosexual," or any viable translation of the word, exist.
Homosexual Urban Myth #12: There is not one condemnation of homosexuality as one’s innate sexual constitution in the Scriptures. In fact, any reputable Bible scholar will tell you that when the original manuscripts were written in the languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, in none of these languages did the word "homosexual," or any viable translation of the word, exist.
FACT: Both Hebrew and Greek had words to describe a person who had sex with another person of the same gender. Here are some of those words, from the links below.
• "sodomy,”
• “filth of sodomy,”
• ”lawless lust,”
• “lust,”
• “impurity,”
• “works of the flesh,”
• “carnal,”
• “lawless intercourse,”
• “shameless,”
• “burning with insane love for boys,”
• “licentiousness,”
• “co-habitors with males,”
• “lusters after mankind"
• “monstrosities”
• "Men play the part of women"
• "giving of the body to feminine purposes"
Recent posts: REAL evidence from Talmud, and other ancient Jewish writings, Link
REAL evidence from early church fathers, Link
FACT: From the time Moses delivered the law, to the Israelites, ca. 1200 BC, until the present, Jewish scholars interpreted the O.T. scriptures as condemning ALL same gender sex acts; by ALL persons, male and female; at ALL times, in ALL places, and under ALL circumstances, NO exceptions or exclusions.
The early church fathers, from 50 AD to 400 AD, also interpreted the N.T. scriptures as condemning ALL homosexual acts, with NO exceptions or exclusions.
The ancient Jewish scholars and the ECF did NOT even mention, and did NOT limit the condemnation of homosexual acts to, “homosexual rape,”“temple prostitution,”“enslaved boy prostitutes,”“effete, jaded Roman nobles,” pagan temples and/or pagan religious activities![/SIZE]
(Not disloyal, but dishonest) I felt that if I told everyone what I thought I would not be answered truthfully. I felt like I would just be passed off as crazy or "judemental" and not told what I wanted to know. So, I guess I was not "confused", just feeling unrest inside about these two conflicting sides, and I wanted to know the truth. 
