I don't understand

[savedandhappy1]

the point is that someone believes that being a Christian doesn't strictly mean accepting a literal and decontextualized Bible and you don't become a Christian by accepting scriptures in that way but by accepting Christ as the son of God and his example.
Now, what you want to believe, how you want to interpret the bible is something nobody can teach you.
read the bible, read other books, talk to people and look at the world around you, grow up and decide for yourself what you want to believe about this topic.

How do we know that we need to accept Christ as the Son of God and live by his example? If we say from the Bible are we sure we are to take that part literally? Are we sure the interpretation is right?

 

[RMDY]

That's what I said.

Touche

 

[Bianca87]

How do we know that we need to accept Christ as the Son of God and live by his example? If we say from the Bible are we sure we are to take that part literally? Are we sure the interpretation is right?

i'm not sure of anything, but i believe in something.
that's what religion is all about: faith, whic is not the feeling of certainty or any kind of knowledge.
What i know about Christ, is what i believe in.

 

[savedandhappy1]

i'm not sure of anything, but i believe in something.
that's what religion is all about: faith, whic is not the feeling of certainty or any kind of knowledge.
What i know about Christ, is what i believe in.

We are told in the Bible that knowledge will be rejected and that those who reject it will be destroyed. We are also told that fools hate knowledge. Prov. 1:22, 29.

In 1 Cor 12:8, we are told that knowledge is a divine gift, and we are told that knowledge will be increased in the last days in Dan 12:4.

You say what you know about Christ is what you believe in, and so I would have to ask where do you think you got most of your information about Him?

Yes, we believe all this by faith, and are told in the Bible that our reward will be greater because we believe in something we have not seen, as compare to the disciples that were with Christ. It is their knowledge of Him that we are given to help us have that faith in Him. If nothing had been written down about Him, how would we know?

2 Peter 1:4-7
4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

There are many scriptures that speak of knowledge, some warnings and some like the one above, which tells us that it is part of the precious promises given to us as we grow in the Lord.

I will try to explain my confussion about this subject. I hear people talk about the Love and Salvation that they received from the Lord. I hear them say what a person must do to be saved, and then I hear them say the Bible can't be taken literal or infallible. If we can't take the scriptures that speak of say hell as literal, how can we know that the scriptures that tell us what we must do to be saved are right?

I just don't understand how we believe that part of the scriptures, but then we become selective about what other scriptures are to be taken literal/true.

If you can help explain this to me I would really appreciate it, thanks.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Touche

Not touche just confused.

 

[DMagoh]

i'm not sure of anything, but i believe in something.
that's what religion is all about: faith, whic is not the feeling of certainty or any kind of knowledge.
What i know about Christ, is what i believe in.

How do you know what you know about Christ?

 

[teen4jesus92]

the point is that someone believes that being a Christian doesn't strictly mean accepting a literal and decontextualized Bible and you don't become a Christian by accepting scriptures in that way but by accepting Christ as the son of God and his example.
Now, what you want to believe, how you want to interpret the bible is something nobody can teach you.
read the bible, read other books, talk to people and look at the world around you, grow up and decide for yourself what you want to believe about this topic.

In my last post, I meant that a person must accept Christ as their Savior to be saved (a.k.a. become a Christian), but it sounded like I meant that you have to accept the Scriptures as true to be a Christian. But... that shouldn't make a difference, should it? (Someone already said that, but I forgot who.) Also, I will, of course, read the Bible, and other books, and talk to people, and etc, etc, like Bianca said. But the Bible is my definitive source. It 's the final answer.

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There are many scriptures that speak of knowledge, some warnings and some like the one above, which tells us that it is part of the precious promises given to us as we grow in the Lord.

I will try to explain my confussion about this subject. I hear people talk about the Love and Salvation that they received from the Lord. I hear them say what a person must do to be saved, and then I hear them say the Bible can't be taken literal or infallible. If we can't take the scriptures that speak of say hell as literal, how can we know that the scriptures that tell us what we must do to be saved are right?

I just don't understand how we believe that part of the scriptures, but then we become selective about what other scriptures are to be taken literal/true.

If you can help explain this to me I would really appreciate it, thanks.

That's a good question! You can't take this part of the Bible and that part and not the rest and say that you're still a Christian. Like I said, it's all or nothing.
Thanks for answering my question, everyone. I welcome more responses.

 

[Bianca87]

That's a good question! You can't take this part of the Bible and that part and not the rest and say that you're still a Christian. Like I said, it's all or nothing.
Thanks for answering my question, everyone. I welcome more responses

it's not about choosing to believe in part of the bible, it's about the interpretation of the whole thing. different people in different times and places, people with different cultures read written words differently.
i have my personal opinion about what the bible says and i don't claim it to be an universal truth. i believe not only the bible can be interpreted differently, but is also meant (by God) to be interpreted differently, adapting to different people , times and cultures. that's what so unhuman about it, like a dress, it's different on different people and it's fine this way.
and that's also the reason i believe people shouldn't push their interpretation of the bible on others to tell them how to live their life.

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[DMagoh]

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How do you read this differently....

27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Romans 1:27

• men abandoning natural relations with women
• men inflamed with lust for one another
• men committing indecent acts with other men

and because of that, they

• receive the due penalty for their perversion

 

[savedandhappy1]

it's not about choosing to believe in part of the bible, it's about the interpretation of the whole thing. different people in different times and places, people with different cultures read written words differently.
i have my personal opinion about what the bible says and i don't claim it to be an universal truth. i believe not only the bible can be interpreted differently, but is also meant (by God) to be interpreted differently, adapting to different people , times and cultures. that's what so unhuman about it, like a dress, it's different on different people and it's fine this way.
and that's also the reason i believe people shouldn't push their interpretation of the bible on others to tell them how to live their life.

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What are we supposed to do with these scriptures then?

1 Tim 5:20
20Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

2 Tim 4:1-5

1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Titus 1:9-16

9Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
10For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2 Tim 3:16
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[MercyBurst]

While trying not to offend anyone, I would like to find some answers. At this very moment, I'm taking no side in this issue - I just want to know what the truth is.
Please read the following verses (I've linked them to BibleGateway.com in the NIV version) and tell me what you think. I want to know the truth of the matter. Feel free to post your own verses.

Romans 1:24-28
Jude 1:7
Matt. 19:4-6 (This may be arguable by some of you - I'm just wondering about how the Bible never mentions that two women or two men "become one")
1 Corinthians 6:9-20

Thank you for reading.

Hello Teen for Jesus.

To answer your question simply, "gay" and "christian" are incompatible.

Ask yourself a simple question: Does gay propaganda serve to unify the church body or to divide it?

Jesus says a house divided against itself can not stand, and that ALL division in the church body comes from satan.

Churches were doing a lot better until this filthy gay doctrine was brought into the church body. It should go right back out of the same door. GOOD RIDDANCE

Soranora gay whutever doctrine!!!!

Boy that was easy.

peace to you, and have a marvelous day.

 

[Bianca87]

27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Romans 1:27

• men abandoning natural relations with women
• men inflamed with lust for one another
• men committing indecent acts with other men

and because of that, they

• receive the due penalty for their perversion

you do read it differently if you put it in a space and time dimension and contexualize , looking at the society the bible was written among.
i'm not saying you have to, but i do.
interpretation means also recognizing that the bible as a book inspired by God, but written by man has to have something to do with the context. in my opinion this regards all the issues of sexualities, the position of women and other things.

 

[Bianca87]

What are we supposed to do with these scriptures then?

1 Tim 5:20
20Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

2 Tim 4:1-5

1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Titus 1:9-16

9Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
10For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2 Tim 3:16
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

can you see how backing up the literacy of the bible quoting passage of the bible is illogical?

 

[savedandhappy1]

can you see how backing up the literacy of the bible quoting passage of the bible is illogical?

I will have to ask again how can we believe the parts that tell us how to be saved? Is there really any proof that any of us, that profess to be Christians, are saved since it comes out of the Bible?

No, I don't see how quoting the Bible about who God is, what God wants, and how we are to be righteous according to God"s ways, could be considered illogical.

 

[MercyBurst]

I will have to ask again how can we believe the parts that tell us how to be saved? Is there really any proof that any of us, that profess to be Christians, are saved since it comes out of the Bible?

No, I don't see how quoting the Bible about who God is, what God wants, and how we are to be righteous according to God"s ways, could be considered illogical.

Perhaps we should read tarot cards instead.

 

[Bianca87]

I will have to ask again how can we believe the parts that tell us how to be saved? Is there really any proof that any of us, that profess to be Christians, are saved since it comes out of the Bible?

of course there are not proofs, that's why it's called faith and not acknowledging a fact. i see that part of the Bible as the center, the universal and timeless message, not connected to the historical context

 

[davedjy]

I will have to ask again how can we believe the parts that tell us how to be saved? Is there really any proof that any of us, that profess to be Christians, are saved since it comes out of the Bible?

No, I don't see how quoting the Bible about who God is, what God wants, and how we are to be righteous according to God"s ways, could be considered illogical.

FACT: No one has the right to point a finger, calling you a sinner.

Romans 3:23 "ALL have sinned (missed the mark) and come short of the glory of God."

FACT: The only ingredient necessary for any person - homosexual or heterosexual - to have perfect peace with God, is faith in Jesus Christ.

Romans 5:1 "Being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

FACT: The person who condemns you based on your innate sexuality confesses his or her ignorance of the Biblical Doctrine of Salvation.

Ephesians 2: 8,9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast.

Titus 3:5 He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of His mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit..."

FACT: Your sexual constitution has nothing to do with salvation.

Romans 10:9 "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

http://www.opendoorcenter.com/myths_&_facts.htm

 

[Bianca87]

No, I don't see how quoting the Bible about who God is, what God wants, and how we are to be righteous according to God"s ways, could be considered illogical.

if i tell you " i don't think everything X says has to been taken as literally true" and you to prove me wrong quote X saying : " i have to been taken literally" you are not considering the condition sine qua non i stated before as my opinion so you're not debating with me, you're talking to yourself.
if we are debating the authority of a source, you cannot use that source in the debate, that's what is illogical.

 

[davedjy]

if i tell you " i don't think everything X says has to been taken as literally true" and you to prove me wrong quote X saying : " i have to been taken literally" you are not considering the condition sine qua non i stated before as my opinion so you're not debating with me, you're talking to yourself.
if we are debating the authority of a source, you cannot use that source in the debate, that's what is illogical.

Exactly. Fundamentalists will only try to fit YOU to fit with THEIR beliefs. If you don't fit, you are not part of their club!

 

[savedandhappy1]

of course there are not proofs, that's why it's called faith and not acknowledging a fact. i see that part of the Bible as the center, the universal and timeless message, not connected to the historical context

Did you not learn about faith from the Bible? If not where?

Historical context? What does that have to do with sin except that they sinned back then and we sin now?

Isn't the parts about faith part of the historical context? How do we know which historical context are for now or not, if not from the Bible?