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I dont know if its my ocd or not.
but for one I worry i really do not have ocd

caty even if it is not ocd,
You do not want this
you want it to end
you want mercy
you want Jesus
Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.
Jesus words will not pass away.


and I hate the words 'well in my opinion' or 'i believe'

When Jesus says yes He means yes
when Jesus says drink freely,He means drink freely
When Jesus says come He means come
when Jesus says he that believeth on Me has everlasting life He means it
When Jesus says come He means come
When Jesus says I will in no wise cast you out ,He means I will in no wise cast you out.
Jesus is Truth,and it is His Word that counts.
Jesus Words will not pass away.





i thank you all and i dont want to sound disrespectful but i feel like thats just an opinion and it doesn't change the truth, i dont think we will ever know what the uf-sin is until I die. im sorry i keep going on but you all help me amke it day to day sometimes.

we do not need to know what that sin is
it is not neccesary to salvation
all we need to know is that
Jesus said whosoever will may come
Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.
So we come and we know based on Jesus word that we will in no wise be cast out.
Jesus is Truth
Jesus words will not pass away
nothing can change them
opinions cannot change Jesus words.
Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.

come to Jesus and receive mercy and grace in your time of need.
cast all your cares on Him because He cares for you.
He gives rest and comfort.
He restores our souls.
He is holding onto caty and will not let you go.
You are safe and loved by Jesus.

love
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Thank you Anthony, the tears are streaming down my cheeks right now. My daughter is waking up from her nap so I have to go for now but I will be back later to post my thoughts. Thanks again. Robert.


Robert only someone who wants Jesus,only a believer would be moved to tears by words that offer hope and mercy and love and forgiveness.
Jesus is healing you and comforting you Robert.Hold onto this.
An unbeliever would not be touched or care about such offers of mercy and love and forgiveness,only a believer,only a child of God can be so moved.The Holy Spirit is ministering His love to you and your heart is moved to tears.Be encouraged Robert and always remember how much Jesus loves you,how deeply.Jesus is healing you.
blessings
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Caty, you should not be worrying about whether you have committed that sin or not. You most certainly haven't! I don't just believe that, but I can assure you that for certain - and I will tell you why.

Firstly, Jesus died for all our sins. This is repeated throughout the scriptures. There is not one single sin that Jesus did not atone for. I therefore have absolutely no doubt that God is able to forgive any sin, and anyone who comes to Jesus can be assured that their sins will be forgiven. That is the good news of the Gospel - and that promise is for you too.

Secondly, the text in question does not confirm that the Pharisees had yet committed the unpardonable sin. The fact that Jesus mentioned the unforgivable sin after he had spoken to them suggests that they were in danger of doing so, but probably had not done so yet. If the Pharisees had committed a sin that was unforgivable, then it is very unlikely that Jesus would have had dialogue with them - there would have been no reason for Him to do so.

Thirdly, the Greek rendering of Mark 3:22 is better translated as "they kept saying" which means that it was something the Pharisees had repeated over and over again. Therefore the unpardonable sin would appear to be something that cannot be committed momentarily, but a planned and very deliberate course of rebellion against God which leaves them unwilling to come to Him in repentance. God is never unwilling to forgive anyone.

There are thousands upon thousands of people like you, over the centuries, that were terrified that they had committed an "unforgivable" sin. One example is the 18th century English poet and hymn writer, William Cowper. Despite his illness and his many doubts about his own salvation, God used him in a tremendous way to bring blessing to others and his hymns are still featured in many of the songbooks we use today.

In my own life, I was troubled at one point by the concept of the unpardonable sin, but exploring the Bible further, understanding the full extent of the love and mercy of Christ, I have no doubt that no one in the world today will be rejected if they come to Him. During the time I had my own doubts about my relationship with God, I was sitting in a church which I later realised was the site of William Cowper's former home! And that is when I realised that when Christians have doubts over their salvation and the scriptures, there have been similar Christians over the centuries that have struggled in a similar way.

We know that when there are difficult scriptures, such as the passage about the unforgivable sin, God is able to speak through His own people to give them understanding of the text. The vast majority of Christian scholars over the centuries have concluded that the "unforgivable" sin is not a momentary act, nor a mistake someone has made in the past, or something they had failed to do. It is rather a continuous deliberate present state of sin. They have also concluded beyond reasonable doubt that if any person was afraid that they had committed that sin, then it is the strongest possible evidence that they had not.

I hope this is of comfort to you.
 
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That sin does not in any way shape or form apply to anyone who comes to Jesus.
Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.
anyone who comes to Jesus is safe and protected .
Jesus is Truth and Jesus words will never pass away.
 
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That sin does not in any way shape or form apply to anyone who comes to Jesus.
Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.
anyone who comes to Jesus is safe and protected .
Jesus is Truth and Jesus words will never pass away.

A big Amen to that!

Thanks Annrobert.

Hope you've had a great day!
 
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That sin does not in any way shape or form apply to anyone who comes to Jesus.
Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.
anyone who comes to Jesus is safe and protected .
Jesus is Truth and Jesus words will never pass away.


Ann I know a lot of people like to use this scripture but I cant help but to notice that the most important part is always left out.

"All that the father gives me will come to me and he that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."

You have to be drawn by God the father first and its his Holy Spirit that convicts a sinner for the need of Jesus. This is why a person cannot get saved any time that they feel like it because the Holy Spirit first has to be drawing you. This is another reason deathbed conversions cannot always be guaranteed because you cant be sure that the Holy Spirit will be striving with you at that point.This is why scripture says "TODAY, if you hear my voice harden not your heart"

If he isnt drawing you then it will do you no good to come. Im not trying to be negative but it just seems like many people misunderstand this particular passage.
 
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John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

The whole reason the person comes to Jesus in the first place is because Father God gave them to Jesus.So when a person comes to Jesus it is because they have already been given to Jesus as a precious gift.
Once they have been given to Jesus they come to Jesus.
After they come to Jesus they are never cast out and none shall snatch them from Jesus hand.
The only reason they came to Jesus in the first place is because Father God gave them to Jesus.
Jesus said it and Jesus is Truth and Jesus words will never pass away.
blessings
 
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If he isnt drawing you then it will do you no good to come. Im not trying to be negative but I do want to clear that up.

The only reason a person comes to Jesus is because Father God gave them to Jesus.
That is the most special part of the verse ,everyone who comes to Jesus knows they are a precious gift to Jesus from Father God.
 
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John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

The whole reason the person comes to Jesus in the first place is because Father God gave them to Jesus.So when a person comes to Jesus it is because they have already been given to Jesus as a precious gift.
Once they have been given to Jesus they come to Jesus.
After they come to Jesus they are never cast out and none shall snatch them from Jesus hand.
The only reason they came to Jesus in the first place is because Father God gave them to Jesus.
Jesus said it and Jesus is Truth and Jesus words will never pass away.
blessings



Ann I have known people in the past who appeared to be coming to Jesus for salvation but instead they were only feeling sorry for themselves or they wanted Help from Jesus for financial trouble. Once things were better for them they cared nothing at all about living for the Lord.

The Bible clearly states that not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of God.
 
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Ann I have known people in the past who appeared to be coming to Jesus for salvation

John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out


Jesus said those who come to Him ,not those who appear to.
and we cannot judge people.only Jesus knows the heart.
Before their own Master they stand or fall and they will stand becuase God is able to make them stand.
God loves restoring and forgiving and delights in mercy and goes after the lost sheep.
None shall snatch His gifts from His hand.
ANYONE who wants Jesus and comes to Jesus is a gift to Him from Father God and will never ever be cast out.
 
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Do they want Jesus
Do they want mercy and forgiveness
Do they want salvation
Do they come to Jesus,just as they are
Yes
they are a gift from Father God to Jesus
They will in no wise be cast out
Jesus is Truth
Jesus words will never pass away
none shall snatch them from Jesus hand.
 
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21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?



2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth





30What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
  1. John 6:47
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
  2. John 6:29
    Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
 
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I just dont know anymore guys........im so tired and im so confused. Every born again Christian that I can think of is happy and at peace but I am constantly tormented by something from the time I wake up till I go to bed at night.

My life has slowly gone down hill since last November when I realized I had never really been saved before and all of my efforts to find God have been defeated.

Its almost been a year now and I still get nothing but silence. I know I have sinned away my day of grace, I just know I have.
 
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Robert terror and torment does that to a person,
The terror and torment cannot change Jesus love for you.
Jesus will restore your soul and give you rest.
I understand your pain,my heart really goes out to you and I pray for you too.
But you are safe and loved and protected by Jesus and always will be.
love
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Robert terror and torment does that to a person,
The terror and torment cannot change Jesus love for you.
Jesus will restore your soul and give you rest.
I understand your pain,my heart really goes out to you and I pray for you too.
But you are safe and loved and protected by Jesus and always will be.
love
annrobert


Ann I agree with what you are saying about Jesus but one thing you and I disagree on is the fact that a person can in fact cross a deadline only known by God where time after time he has dealt with a person and that person constantly rejects salvation God will eventually leave the person alone.

This in effect means you are damned before you even take your last breath, you may as well be in Hell. I am constantly reminded of all the times that God spoke to my heart in the past and all the times I walked away like an IDIOT! Its like im already in Hell and the only thing missing are the flames.

If it wasnt for my wife and daughter I would have no problem killing myself.
 
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Hi again Robert

God touches people's lives and brings people closer to Himself in many different ways. Some people get very dramatic conversions, such as the case of Saul, and others have more gradual journeys into the faith. I will share with you my journey into the Christian faith.

I believed in God at very early age. I was brought up in the Church of England, which is part of the Anglican/Episcopal tradition and went to Sunday school there. Over the years, I drifted away for a while, but finally came to faith during my first year of university. Although I felt for a long time that my heart was being drawn to accept Christ and join the church, I was hesitant to join for quite a while. I eventually did, and at the beginning I was very aware of God's presence. Over the next few years, there were times when I was aware that God was very close to me, and as I described in an earlier post, there were times when God seemed very distant and I went through periods of serious doubts about my own salvation. Towards the end of my university years, my faith got much stronger and I became more and more involved in the life of the church.

However, within months of leaving university, I started drinking and for the next ten years plunged into the depths of alcoholism. During that time, my church activity dwindled, my faith got weaker and weaker and there were periods when I literally thought that God had totally given up on me and wondered why he wouldn't change me.

Within the last three years, I have been given help and support for my alcohol addiction and have been totally abstinent for two years now. I could never have done that on my own effort alone and believe that I was helped by God's grace. I started participating more in the life of my local Methodist church. They have been extremely and supportive towards me and have been models of true Christian love.

Although I believe that God does sometimes reveal himself to people in supernatural ways, such as signs, wonders, and experiences, I also see God ministering through the love and compassion of fellow believers. My friends in the church and my friends in my support groups helped me to overcome the personal problems that caused and which were exacerbated by my drinking and they have encouraged me during my journey of sobriety.

Today I am a much happier and contented person what I used to be. I have learned not to compare myself with other people's experiences and to value myself as an individual. I learned for the first time that it is OK to come to him just as I am. It is the first time I have felt true peace for many many years. The fear I have of being rejected by Him has totally gone now.

I hope this is an encouragement to you Robert and others reading this post. God indeed works in mysterious ways and often not in the ways we would expect. Just because you are going through a difficult time in your life at the moment and that you don't feel close to Him does not mean that He has left or abandoned you. Maybe you have felt God's presence in your life in a certain way a number of years ago. But your future experience of God may be very different - as the scriptures say, God is always doing something new.

God is interested in all aspects of your life and He wants you to be liberated from your fear and despair. Perhaps He wants you to get proper help with your depression and anxiety. Perhaps some of the people you meet on that journey of recovery will be those that God has put there for you, those who will encourage you, those who will understand you, and those who will make a real difference to your life. And in time to come, you will look back to today and thank God for bringing you through and you will realise that He was with you all the time looking after you and protecting you.

God bless.
 
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Hi again Robert

God touches people's lives and brings people closer to Himself in many different ways. Some people get very dramatic conversions, such as the case of Saul, and others have more gradual journeys into the faith. I will share with you my journey into the Christian faith.

I believed in God at very early age. I was brought up in the Church of England, which is part of the Anglican/Episcopal tradition and went to Sunday school there. Over the years, I drifted away for a while, but finally came to faith during my first year of university. Although I felt for a long time that my heart was being drawn to accept Christ and join the church, I was hesitant to join for quite a while. I eventually did, and at the beginning I was very aware of God's presence. Over the next few years, there were times when I was aware that God was very close to me, and as I described in an earlier post, there were times when God seemed very distant and I went through periods of serious doubts about my own salvation. Towards the end of my university years, my faith got much stronger and I became more and more involved in the life of the church.

However, within months of leaving university, I started drinking and for the next ten years plunged into the depths of alcoholism. During that time, my church activity dwindled, my faith got weaker and weaker and there were periods when I literally thought that God had totally given up on me and wondered why he wouldn't change me.

Within the last three years, I have been given help and support for my alcohol addiction and have been totally abstinent for two years now. I could never have done that on my own effort alone and believe that I was helped by God's grace. I started participating more in the life of my local Methodist church. They have been extremely and supportive towards me and have been models of true Christian love.

Although I believe that God does sometimes reveal himself to people in supernatural ways, such as signs, wonders, and experiences, I also see God ministering through the love and compassion of fellow believers. My friends in the church and my friends in my support groups helped me to overcome the personal problems that caused and which were exacerbated by my drinking and they have encouraged me during my journey of sobriety.

Today I am a much happier and contented person what I used to be. I have learned not to compare myself with other people's experiences and to value myself as an individual. I learned for the first time that it is OK to come to him just as I am. It is the first time I have felt true peace for many many years. The fear I have of being rejected by Him has totally gone now.

I hope this is an encouragement to you Robert and others reading this post. God indeed works in mysterious ways and often not in the ways we would expect. Just because you are going through a difficult time in your life at the moment and that you don't feel close to Him does not mean that He has left or abandoned you. Maybe you have felt God's presence in your life in a certain way a number of years ago. But your future experience of God may be very different - as the scriptures say, God is always doing something new.

God is interested in all aspects of your life and He wants you to be liberated from your fear and despair. Perhaps wants you to get proper help with your depression and anxiety. Perhaps some of the people you meet on that journey of recovery will be those that God has put there for you, those who will encourage you, those who will understand you, and those who will make a real difference to your life. And in time to come, you will look back to today and thank God for bringing you through and you will realise that He was with you all the time looking after you and protecting you.

God bless.


Anthony thank you for taking the time out for me yet again, you to Ann. Anthony if you have broadband internet I would like for you to do me a favor.

Listen to this video starting at the 43min mark and watch it for about 10 minutes. This will explain exactly what I think has happened to me.


YouTube - The Three Dead Lines
 
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Hi Robert

I have looked at the Youtube video link. Unfortunately the audio playback wasn't very clear, but from the parts I managed to hear, I think he is basing his views on his interpretation of Genesis 6:3. I have heard that doctrine preached before. Not only do I totally disagree with it, I can assure you that it is a doctrine that is not taught in the majority of Christian churches.

The scripture where God says His Spirit will not strive with man forever in Genesis 6:3 does not mean that God rejects someone who doesn't respond to His call to salvation within a specific timescale.

The minority of preachers who take that view are quoting the text far out of it's original context. During the time of Noah, there was great immorality. The beginning of Genesis 6 records that men had committed adultery with other people's daughters. If you look at 1 Peter 3:20 it explains the context by stating that this occurred immediately prior to the flood.

You can rest assured it has nothing to do with a person losing an opportunity to come to salvation in Christ. It is never too late to come to Him.

In fact, from what you have posted so far, I would have no doubt at all that you are already a Christian, and you can be assured that most Christians, like yourself, have gone through struggles of doubt at some point in their lives. It certainly happened to me, so you are not alone in your situation.

This situation will pass Robert, and I really would like to encourage you to see your doctor and explore the possibility of getting counselling to help with your depression and anxiety. There may be some underlying factors that are making you feel the way you do about yourself and once these are addressed, that will put you onto the path to being a happier, more contented person. God wants the very best for you in your life, He wants you to achieve great things, but at the present time He wants you to get well. Getting the right professional help may be part of the healing that God has for you and I would encourage you not to be afraid or ashamed and reach out and ask for help.

God bless you.
 
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