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[RobertZ]

Hi Robert

I have looked at the Youtube video link. Unfortunately the audio playback wasn't very clear, but from the parts I managed to hear, I think he is basing his views on his interpretation of Genesis 6:3. I have heard that doctrine preached before. Not only do I totally disagree with it, I can assure you that it is a doctrine that is not taught in the majority of Christian churches.

The scripture where God says His Spirit will not strive with man forever in Genesis 6:3 does not mean that God rejects someone who doesn't respond to His call to salvation within a specific timescale.

The minority of preachers who take that view are quoting the text far out of it's original context. During the time of Noah, there was great immorality. The beginning of Genesis 6 records that men had committed adultery with other people's daughters. If you look at 1 Peter 3:20 it explains the context by stating that this occurred immediately prior to the flood.

You can rest assured it has nothing to do with a person losing an opportunity to come to salvation in Christ.

God bless you.

But what about the man in that video who said that the last time the Holy Spirit dealt with his heart was 16yrs earlier in his life? how could he possibly say that unless it had actually happened to him?

The pastor asked him if he was saved and the man replied that he could no longer be saved because he was fully aware that Gods Holy Spirit had stopped dealing with him.

 

[Winter]

So you believe him? You've put your trust in the interpretation and story of one man? You put your trust in all that induces fear, but you have no trust in that which gives you peace and promise.

Robert, have you spoken to any pastors about your fears? Have they validated your fears?

If you go to 5 pastors and they all tell you that its not too late, then why would you believe the guy in the Youtube video, but you wouldn't believe in the larger concensus of what the pastors and the many, many Christians have been telling you on this forum?

And remember one thing ... if you really weren't saved, you'd have zero faith in Christ. If you really weren't saved, you'd be a violent thief with no compassion nor care in the world. You don't fit either profile ... you are a good person who loves his family and believes in Jesus. A saved person wouldn't be that way.

And my second point is this: let's say we go along with the idea that you are not saved. Well, I don't believe in deadlines. Because to say that God will turn away from you is denying all that Christ has done for you - His ceaseless mercy.

Stop trusting fear. And start trusting Christ and His forgiveness.

 

[anthony100]

But what about the man in that video who said that the last time the Holy Spirit dealt with his heart was 16yrs earlier in his life? how could he possibly say that unless it had actually happened to him?

The pastor asked him if he was saved and the man replied that he could no longer be saved because he was fully aware that Gods Holy Spirit had stopped dealing with him.

Hi Robert

I'm sorry but I must have edited my post at the same time that you posted yours. I've reposted mine, so the full edited version will be on this thread now.

If you want my honest opinion about the video, I think he is preaching heresy and is causing tremendous damage to the cause of the Christian gospel. I am not surprised that you are afraid by what he is preaching. It is the kind of teaching that would lead anyone to a sense of despair, hopelessness and complete mental torture. It has nothing to do with the steadfast love of God we read in the Scriptures and the abundant healing, compassion and mercy of Jesus Christ.

I am very concerned about your health at the moment and I would encourage you not to watch any further videos by him or others that promote that kind of teaching as it will cause you a lot of further and unnecessary stress and anxiety.

And as I said earlier, I really hope you get some help with your depression and anxiety, because I do want to see you get well and to be happier with yourself. Once you start to feel better, you will understand more fully the love that God has for you and will see that whatever situation you are going through, that God can help you and pull you through.

I hope that's helped. I'm off to bed now, but will write further tomorrow. Goodnight for now.

God bless.

 

[RobertZ]

Hi Robert

I'm sorry but I must have edited my post at the same time that you posted yours. I've reposted mine, so the full edited version will be on this thread now.

If you want my honest opinion about the video, I think he is preaching heresy and is causing tremendous damage to the cause of the Christian gospel. I am not surprised that you are afraid by what he is preaching. It is the kind of teaching that would lead anyone to a sense of despair, hopelessness and complete mental torture. It has nothing to do with the steadfast love of God we read in the Scriptures and the abundant healing, compassion and mercy of Jesus Christ.

I am very concerned about your health at the moment and I would encourage you not to watch any further videos by him or others that promote that kind of teaching as it will cause you a lot of further and unnecessary stress and anxiety.

And as I said earlier, I really hope you get some help with your depression and anxiety, because I do want to see you get well and to be happier with yourself. Once you start to feel better, you will understand more fully the love that God has for you and will see that whatever situation you are going through, that God can help you and pull you through.

I hope that's helped. I'm off to bed now, but will write further tomorrow. Goodnight for now.

God bless.

The only thing Anthony is that it wasnt just this guys preaching, it was the fact that people had given personal testimony that the Holy Spirit had given them up.

 

[anthony100]

Hi Robert

The reason the people are saying that the Holy Spirit had given them up is because they have spent far too much time listening to the likes of J Harold Wilson. They get some kind of idea in their minds that God has abandoned them (when in fact He hasn't) and then they listen to preachers like him who tell them that they can never come to faith again. It is a total lie.

J Harold Wilson was in my view a heretic, and a pretty arrogant one too. Whilst being fully conversant with the Bible he should have been fully aware of the loving, compassionate nature of God, as plainly recorded in the Bible. However he abused his position as a preacher by creating unnecessary torment and despair for the very ones God is trying to reach with His compassion and grace.

Unfortunately there are a number of preachers around like him, but thankfully they are a extremely small minority.

 

[RobertZ]

Hi Robert

The reason the people are saying that the Holy Spirit had given them up is because they have spent far too much time listening to the likes of J Harold Wilson. They get some kind of idea in their minds that God has abandoned them (when in fact He hasn't) and then they listen to preachers like him who tell them that they can never come to faith again. It is a total lie.

J Harold Wilson was a heretic, and a pretty arrogant one too. Whilst being fully conversant with the Bible he should have been fully aware of the loving, compassionate nature of God, as plainly recorded in the Bible. However he abused his position as a preacher by creating unnecessary torment and despair for the very ones God is trying to reach with His compassion and grace.

Unfortunately there are a number of preachers around like him, but thankfully they are a extremely small minority.

Thanks for responding. I guess I need to get some sleep right now, I have a lot to think about tomorrow. Talk to you later.

 

[annrobert]

Ann I agree with what you are saying about Jesus but one thing you and I disagree on is the fact that a person can in fact cross a deadline only known by God where time after time he has dealt with a person and that person constantly rejects salvation God will eventually leave the person alone.


There are no scriptures that I am aware of to support this deadline idea.
And the word of God never passes away regardless of what anyone says.

This in effect means you are damned before you even take your last breath,

There is nothing in scripture to support this.
When a person want Jesus
wants forgiveness and mercy
wants salvation
comes to Jesus, just as they are
This means Father God has given them to Jesus
and Jesus will in no wise cast them out
and none shall snatch them from Jesus hand.
This is supported by Jesus very own words in scripture.

John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

you may as well be in Hell.

The fear and torment and confusion certainly feels like hell,
Thankfully it will come to an end and
Jesus will heal and give rest and
lead to still waters and
restore our souls and
will wipe all tears from our eyes.
Our terrors are only just terrors and confusion(horrific as it is ,I know) it does not change Jesus love and promises and power to forgive sin at all.
Jesus delights in mercy and compassion.

John 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

I am constantly reminded of all the times that God spoke to my heart in the past

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.



and all the times I walked away like an IDIOT!


See Robert God will always want you, He wants all men to believe and trust in Him.
Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth ALL men every where to repent:

John 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.





Its like im already in Hell and the only thing missing are the flames.

I know the feeling Robert, I am so sorry you are suffering
but Jesus
Says come to Me I will not cast you out
I will heal you
set you at liberty
give you rest
forgive
restore
make all things new
lead you to still waters
wipe away all tears
comfort
Jesus says come to Me and I will not cast you out.
Jesus is Truth and His words will never pass away.
nothing can make them pass away.


If it wasnt for my wife and daughter I would have no problem killing myself.

Your pain is so deep
I know
I went through it too
I wanted to die too
I wished I was never born
But Jesus loved and protected me
His promises to me never changed or passed away
He lead me to still waters and restored my soul
He gave me rest and comfort
he wiped away my tears
He will do the same for you too
I went through the torment for way too long in my view
But it did come to an end
your suffering will not go on forever
some day it will come to an end

Also Robert do not be afraid to go to a doctor and get help and medication if you need it
and do not be afraid to get some counselling
please consider it
There is nothing wrong with getting treatment when needed
there are also crisis lines when needed as well.
annrobert

 

[dabro]

Annrobert I'm so amazed at your knowlege of the Word. Let you be humbled and God lifted up. Kudos to you..

 

[anthony100]

Hi All

Here are some of the key passages in the New Testament (NRSV) that show that a person's salvation is based on their belief in Christ. I hope they help.

God bless



Matthew 16: 16-15

He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"

Matthew 16: 16-17

Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven.

1 John 4:2

By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God

1 Corinthians 12:3

Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking by the Spirit of God ever says "Let Jesus be cursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit.

1 John 5:1

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God

John 16:13

When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own, but will speak whatever he hears, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

Romans 10:9

If you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

 

[anthony100]

GOD'S STEADFAST LOVE

Numbers 14:18 (NRSV)

The LORD is slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love, forgiving iniquity and transgression.

2 Peter 3:9 (NRSV)

The Lord is not slow about his promise, as some think of slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish, but all to come to repentance

Lamentations 3:22 (NRSV)

The steadfast love of the LORD never ceases, his mercies never come to an end

 

[anthony100]

And here's one more.......

I can't post links here yet, but please type Father's Love Letter into Google and watch the video.

The video and text is available for download (subject to their copyright notice).

I have watched it on numerous occasions and it has given me great encouragement. I hope it does to you too.

God bless