I dont have saving faith

[Jeshu]

Your implying that good deeds etc are a way to earn forgiveness and salvation and that is far from the truth. We are not saved by good works nor do good works save us. There is nothing that you, I or anyone else can offer to God that will save us. This is doing everything else but trusting in his son and I think thats an insult to God.

Also no one is a good person in Gods eyes, we are all sinners and thats how he sees us till we are born again. Also no one deserves salvation, we all deserve damnation and its only by Gods grace that anyone goes to Heaven.

I know your trying to help and I appreciate it but I cant agree with a person trying to prove to God through good works that they deserve salvation.

No good work will ever save a sinner - faith does.

This is where our problem often lays we listen to thoughts and feelings which lie to our mind and make us feel unsaved.

We feel unsaved because thinking and feeling like that no one wants - not God either - so you have to leave them behind - deny yourself the right to entertain such crappy being which is destroying all good life within.

The best way to do this is to go to Jesus when we think such unfaithful and unloving thoughts and hand them over to Him in faith asking for His loving truth to enlighten our hearts and minds and then WAIT for Him to come and visit us within. His Light will bring an end to our darkness! He is not called for nothing the morning star!

Behold I'm coming soon is what we must then hold onto for awhile until the darkness has nothing left to throw at us and we are emptied out of sinful thoughts and feelings. Renewed we can walk away in Christ at Dawn of The New Day.

Please remember Today is the Day to be saved!





(Hebrews 3-4:1-12 says it nicely!)

7Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says,

"Today, if you hear his voice, 8do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
on the day of testing in the wilderness,
9where your fathers put me to the test
and saw my works for forty years.
10Therefore I was provoked with that generation,and said, 'They always go astray in their heart;
they have not known my ways.'
11 As I swore in my wrath,
'They shall not enter my rest.'" 12Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. 13But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called "today," that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14For we have come to share in Christ,15As it is said,

"Today, if you hear his voice,do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion." if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.
16For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses? 17And with whom was he provoked for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? 18And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient? 19So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.
1Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. 3For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,

"As I swore in my wrath,'They shall not enter my rest,'"

although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all his works." 5And again in this passage he said,

"They shall not enter my rest."
6Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7again he appoints a certain day, "Today," saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,

"Today, if you hear his voice,do not harden your hearts."
8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. 9So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.
11Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. 12For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

 

[heron]

You spent a lot of time immersed in Christian culture. I find that when I get too socially tight, Christianity resembles pond water that has no circulation -- it is warm and stagnant and starts to grow scum. Life decomposes.

Jesus sent His disciples outward. They fellowshipped together to a point, and then spread. Take in, give out... just like a river flowing through a pond, breaking up the settled nature.

Shake it up a little and shift your fellowship, your sources of teaching, your religious habits. Try to get back to the core point of recognizing "I am" Yahweh. Start fresh with a Garden of Eden sort of positioning, and build up from there.

When faith topics always conjure up flashbacks of people imposing their opinions, then you need a clean sweep.

 

[straywolf73]

Oh Robert, My heart is saddened for you.
because i have been there..I have had the devil trhow all of my sins at me, throw verses at me out of context..thoroughly convince me that the Lord almighty had given up on me..and i will tell you one thing..It is hard to break out of.
The One true and Living God wants you with him..but you are fighting demons that would like nothing more than for you to harm yourself and dsitance yourself from his love and grace.
Please, I beg of you..fight the lies being thrown at you and cast them down.
God, LOVES you, and his love is powerful enought o overcome anything..He IS GOD!
Feel free to pm if you would like to talk more...I really want to help..
You will be in my prayers..
CQ

 

[RobertZ]

"Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts .

And what if you were to wake up one day and realize that the last time you heard his voice was a decade ago? 10yrs ago was the last time I believe that God spoke to my heart and invited me to be saved but I resisted like an idiot and did not respond. Actually it was a feeling of dread, its like I knew I needed to get saved but at the same time I was very nervous and I just didnt tell anyone that night at church that I needed to be saved.

I got in my car, went home and eventually stopped worrying about it. Now here I am 10yrs later fearing that the end is near with all this 2012 stuff and people talking about the rapture but its horrible because now I cant be saved.

You cant just get saved any old time you want to be saved, it has to be when God is drawing and calling. Its like im conciously aware that I need to be saved but it isnt the draw that I used to feel from God.

 

[RobertZ]

Oh Robert, My heart is saddened for you.
because i have been there..I have had the devil trhow all of my sins at me, throw verses at me out of context..thoroughly convince me that the Lord almighty had given up on me..and i will tell you one thing..It is hard to break out of.
The One true and Living God wants you with him..but you are fighting demons that would like nothing more than for you to harm yourself and dsitance yourself from his love and grace.
Please, I beg of you..fight the lies being thrown at you and cast them down.
God, LOVES you, and his love is powerful enought o overcome anything..He IS GOD!
Feel free to pm if you would like to talk more...I really want to help..
You will be in my prayers..
CQ

sent you a pm

 

[Jeshu]

And what if you were to wake up one day and realize that the last time you heard his voice was a decade ago?

Rejoice that now you hear it! And leave those ten years behind as they are anyway and follow the truth back to its base. Home is the place you really want to be.

 

[RobertZ]

Rejoice that now you hear it! And leave those ten years behind as they are anyway and follow the truth back to its base. Home is the place you really want to be.

But thats just it, I dont hear him now. Its like im worried but its not him calling me anymore. Do you understand what im saying?

 

[green wolverine]

Here's a clip by Tim Conway explaining why your repentance isn't working:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euSML6x3nV8

 

[Jeshu]

And what if you were to wake up one day and realize that the last time you heard his voice was a decade ago? 10yrs ago was the last time I believe that God spoke to my heart and invited me to be saved but I resisted like an idiot and did not respond. Actually it was a feeling of dread, its like I knew I needed to get saved but at the same time I was very nervous and I just didnt tell anyone that night at church that I needed to be saved.

I got in my car, went home and eventually stopped worrying about it. Now here I am 10yrs later fearing that the end is near with all this 2012 stuff and people talking about the rapture but its horrible because now I cant be saved.

You cant just get saved any old time you want to be saved, it has to be when God is drawing and calling. Its like im conciously aware that I need to be saved but it isnt the draw that I used to feel from God.

I don't agree with your analysis much!


We were saved when Christ died and rose for us 2000 years ago. It has nothing to do with you or your action at all - for God loves while we are still sinners - all He wants is that you let go of these lies keeping Him away from you, for in Truth He is right beside you, holding His hand out to you even now!

As the Spirit says - today if you hear His voice....


Please let go of your hardened heart and in faith accept your Salvation as determined fact - Christ died for your sins - not an earned achievement.

That His grace be upon you

Gerry

 

[RobertZ]

Edit.

 

[Jeshu]

But thats just it, I dont hear him now. Its like im worried but its not him calling me anymore. Do you understand what im saying?

The worry you are feeling is The Truth telling you He is not present within.

Open that closed door my friend and then He will enter!

Problem solved surely?

 

[RobertZ]

We were saved when Christ died and rose for us 2000 years ago. It has nothing to do with you or your action at all -

Okay, but why does anyone go to hell then? say Hitler for example, Jesus died for his sins but we know Hitler was not saved.

 

[Jeshu]

Okay, but why does anyone go to hell then? say Hitler for example, Jesus died for his sins but we know Hitler was not saved.

No children of God go to Hell but the evil, who killed God's own, is!

Adolph Hitler killed his true self and sold himself out to the devil and as such His punishment is assured!

But the True Adolph Hitler killed by the evil that took over, who most of us never knew, but Jesus did and does, will be safely in the bosom of the Father, you can be assured of that. For Jesus lost none of God's children - He saved us all.

1 Tim 4:9-10

This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.


Submit to His truth and reap the benefits - its for free!

 

[RobertZ]

No children of God go to Hell but the evil, who killed God's own, is!

Adolph Hitler killed his true self and sold himself out to the devil and as such His punishment is assured!

But the True Adolph Hitler killed by the evil that took over, who most of us never knew, but Jesus did and does, will be safely in the bosom of the Father, you can be assured of that. For Jesus lost none of God's children - He saved us all.

1 Tim 4:9-10

This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.


Submit to His truth and reap the benefits - its for free!

Im a little confused by some of what you just said here, its getting late and im off for bed now but thanks for doing what you can to help me.

 

[straywolf73]

sent you a pm

Yes.. you did. and i am a moron who doesn't have 15 posts yet...fortunately i saved my response.
Is their an e-mail address i can send it to? would it be okay for me to post it here..or shall i just wait for 1 5posts?

 

[Jeshu]

Im a little confused by some of what you just said here, its getting late and im off for bed now but thanks for doing what you can to help me.

Yes I have also struggled with Hell - for years even!

My problem was that as a youthworker walking the streets of a major city, I got got know so many lost sinners. The problem was that Jesus gave me ample love for them, yet I was unable to bring any to Christ, though I prayed for them all - 20 years later I still often do!

Later I agonised Satan boasting, how all these people were going to burn in Hell despite my best efforts, and that clearly he had won this battle and not me.

Worse, in the world Satan claimed that therefore his evil was winning the battle for humanity and not Christ at all - for Satan pointed out the seemingly undeniable truth that the majority of people were unsaved - and Christ efforts haven't really brought about much benefit to humanity at all!

Wrecked (in The End) I took it to Christ full of indignation!

This is what He said


"I have not lost one of those whom the Father has given Me."

He then went on to explain that all people ever born - and also those lives which started but who didn't make it to that event - are God's children - and that what His hand begins - He shall never let go!

He showed me how the devil tricks us and pollutes us and hates us and kills us - loving truthful people - so we are not true images of Almighty God at all - but take on wicked shapes of being.

It is this that will go to Hell - untrue life inside of people cannot be from the truth - but are but lying realities that dwell inside humanity. Spirituality such have life in people and bring evil thoughts and feelings - such as hating others, self or God - indeed all things unloving and untruthful alive inside of people - killing the true person and bring life misery - it are they which are marked for the slaughter! (Rev 16-20 (Especially the last part of chapter 19 explains this nicely.)

So in the life of Adolph Hitler, the true person God had made to start of with, died along the way - the evil that killed him took his place and name and did the abominable things that he ended up doing. For the true person wasn't there - he was long time dead - always know that evil people are impostors and murderers for they killed the good person in them and gave their lives to wickedness instead - mere puppets on strings!

So the evil person Hitler became is indeed in Hell! Charged with mass murder - for that was the spirit to which he had in Truth succumbed - and such evil had life in him - lets always remember that!

However the good that evil killed in Adolph's heart was God's own from the beginning - so the true person/soul is safe and sound you can be assured of that.



As a sinner - only a turning away from evil can safe us from evil fate, if we have been following lying tongue and now feel miserable because of what we have become and done, we must turn around to be saved. (Ezekiel 18)

This gives room for our true self to be returned - and then we who sinned let loving truth once more guide us along the Way.

This is how Jesus takes sinful people away from sinful lives and sets them free once more, by returning you your true you, and you who sinned within and became untrue, to repent of heeding evil thoughts and feelings, and follow true Being - Jesus Christ - into Heaven - for Christ made one out of the two - there is no need to be divided between good and bad within - Christ's love makes us a whole person once more where wrong is turned to right and crooked made straight in The End - always have faith in that!

For wasn't that the problem we started of with? We ate of the fruit of right and wrong - it is this that divides us within and killed us stone dead each time we take a bite from that - let's only eat God's Heavenly Bread - Jesus Christ - who died and rose again - TRULY The Living Word inside our heart to have.

Like I tried to point out with the text I provided - 1 Tim 4:9-10 - all of humanity is saved - this is especially of benefit to those who believe in Jesus, for then what has been shaped by lying evil inside of our soul, will be transformed into Newness of life and though we have been wrong and killed good life within ourself, we may come into loving eternity anyway.

As such is God's Salvation

 

[annrobert]

Robert the bible is the Word of God as you know.

It says today if you hear God's voice

You have been hearing the Word of God as well as preaching here today

so accept Jesus free gift today of forgiveness and salvation.

Also the Word of God says

now God commands all men everywhere to repent

There are no conditions for this at all
Just a command to repent
Because Jesus loves us so much

repenting is trusting and believing in Jesus

Jesus said He that believeth on Me has everlasting life


whosoever calleth upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved

After that Jesus gives them a new heart and as they they pray and read their bible they begin to grow in Jesus and bear much fruit


Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:


I wonder if Jesus put this in the bible just for people who think

for some reason they are rejected or not allowed to repent

this verse makes it clear that we are not only allowed but commanded to repent

how wonderful and awesome is that

Jesus loves us that much

and made it clear that whosever will may come

no conditions

be blessed Robert

Jesus will not let you go

His arms are open wide to receive you and comfort you

 

[RobertZ]

Thanks for replying Ann. The thing is I read my Bible faithfully every day for a couple of months but here is what I noticed...............the more I read the Gospels the more depressed I became, the more the world around me seemed to darken, I was suddenly noticing all of this sin all around me. Cuss words from friends started to stab me like a knife and know matter where I was even at home watching TV I suddenly noticed how much filth was on TV and I could not believe that I used to think those shows were okay.

So what is going on here? why is the world around me so dark now? why do I only notice sin now? Have I become a pharisee or something? I mean I should have joy in Christ but all I can see is this ugly ugly ugly sin!

I have no rest day nor night for my conscious is constantly bothered by all of this sin! Why cant I see the savior? why am I only having all of this condemnation?


Its like reading the Bible has exposed all this sin in the world to me but I have no relief from it!?

 

[RobertZ]

Yes.. you did. and i am a moron who doesn't have 15 posts yet...fortunately i saved my response.
Is their an e-mail address i can send it to? would it be okay for me to post it here..or shall i just wait for 1 5posts?

PM sent with email attached.

 

[Gregory Thompson]