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I feel like im gonna give into porn again, the temptation today for me to look at that stuff is extremely strong.
If you do that, just remember that God is looking over you with tenderness and compassion. He is not angry with you Robert and He understands the pain that you are going through.

Errm Not quite right there

God hates sin and is hurt by the sinner who deliberately plans on that path

As much as i love Robert i cannot condone or encourage him hurting the One who died for him
 
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Then why is Christ still a stranger to me? why dont I have a personal relationship with him yet? and its not as though I have not been trying, I have been in this state of despair for over a year now trying to be saved and still unable to attain salvation.

The only logical reason I can think of is that I have committed the unpardonable sin (spurned the Holy Ghost from sinning against the light I was given).

I feel like im gonna give into porn again, the temptation today for me to look at that stuff is extremely strong.

robert....you simply need to follow the Lord. no matter what you say you cannot convince me that you are cut off from God and unable to be saved. now i used to be in your shoes, convinced that i was "unpardonable". whether you feel unpardonable or not....follow the Lord. that is what i did and it has been a success (it took time. month after month after month). now what do i mean by "follow the Lord"....well our pastor puts it this way "turning away from our sins and towards Christ." letting him have the "steering wheel" of our life, putting what he says (in the scriptures) into practice, asking for his mercy when we fail.

i believe that this concern you have about wanting to be right with God is something that shows that the Holy Spirit is at work on your life. i am telling you thats the way i came to the Lord....thru my horror of not being right with him. the way out of that state of despair is to put your trust in Christ and follow God in spite of your feelings. now, that doesn't mean if you do that, your despair will go away overnight. it may take a week or a month or a year or more (God works on his own time schedule). i read about a man named william cowper (you should look him up online) and he also sufferred thru this kind of despair (he thought he could not be saved) but he followed God anyways. and he was used by God to write hymns. i would encourage you to read about him from what you can find on the internet.

about the porn temptation.....we are all sinners and we are all gonna be tempted to sin. even when we follow God, the temptation to sin is always gonna be there until we go to heaven (because of our sin nature). but what we need to do is fight the temptation, and pray about it and ask for the Lord's help to resist. and when we mess up and give in, we need to ask God's forgiveness and help to overcome our sin. it is a lifelong process. yes....facing temptation is hard, i face temptations every day.
 
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If you continue to fight as you do you will not get to know Jesus in a hurry, for you are running in front of Him and are doing His job - yet how could a lost sinner know the way out?

As it goes now - you get tempted - you resist - but can't make it - you must - you fall for you no longer care - and then you give into sin - and when sin has been then you feel guilt and shame and deny yourself your own salvation.

The accuser is the one who plays this game - also know as the Dragon (Rev 12) it is Satan pretending to be God by making you feel guilty after you have fallen for his lies he becomes your boss. The Dragon is the abomination spoken about in Daniel and Matt 24 for he pretends to be god but only gives grace if you do as you are told otherwise he casts lighening from Heaven upon guilty sinners.

After The accuser has been - you promise in forlorn agony that you will not sin any more - but then the prostitute comes around and tamptation strikes hard and hot. Unfaithfulness is her voice and she always wants to feed the flesh. The Bible warns - you must not heed her!!! Whatever you do don't listen to loveless voice telling you to give your love to loveless things - she drinks the blood of the saints. Yet in sin you must heed her for resistance burns with fire and is eaten alive.

For after she has been - as she rides on the back of the Dragon - the Dragon will rear-up again and accuse you with sin - the very lovelessness you just fornicated with will now bark at you (Rev 8) until you repent on your knees before the Dragon and promise him you will try harder next time.(Rev 17)

Then you still have the false prophet (Rev 16) - all these lying suggestion on how you can do it 'right' - how you will sooth The Dragon - worldly or religious views- by doing this and that. Don't ever buy into any of that crap! Conformity to laws or Hell that is how he speaks.

This is what it is all about isn't?

You the sexual sinner inside want to keep on going with sin - indeed you can't stop for you love wrong to much. This part in you is called the son of lawlessness - for he doesn't care about God's command to love purely but only loves himself.

So you are stuck in the folwer's net (psalm 91) and unless you are saved by Jesus you will perish a most miserably Ending. (Rev 2:18-29)

The way out is to let the love of Jesus into your sin. Yes that is right when you fall - want to porn - then know our Heavenly Father and Brother want to have a word with you - while you are like that!

Yet eat grace instead of guilt and rejoice that Christ loves you - though you are a sinner - so that instead of wailing your sorry to the accuser (Matt 24:15-31 ) - you cry your tears of sorrow at Jesus feet and give your sinful life to Him - time and again - until sin stops - and so let Him love you to death and resurrect you into newness of life! (Rev 1-7)


I believe that this is where you are at in your spiritual battle - Rev 2:18-29 - This is why you are hurting so much right now, for Jezebel's children bring agony alive - however when Christ is finished with you there - then still much more difficult times will come, for you will have to die to how you have always believed things worked, for you will find that Jesus doesn't quite operate your way - and true shame and guilt will bite - when you realise that you are also a cold-hearted sinner with very little love for God, yourself or your neighbour nor that in truth you care little for His ways (rev 1: 7 ) - however from then you will have to learn to listen to loving truth (Rev 3) and not that judgemental truth you have been claiming as god of your life.

It took me years to learn to do that, trust God's grace and learn to love God for it - for honestly true Christ's grace kills wilfull sin, as that is how He teaches us to love - by putting His love in us where we do wrong - and so kills wrong stone dead time and again - while the way you do it now will only bring the wrath of God down on you - as you have seen!


Think about all this carefully my friend, things are not as black and white as you have been seeing things - I know this to be true for sure - God's grace really brings good things alive and God's love in Christ saves from sin - I will always rave on about Him - for only He is Great!!!:clap::clap::clap:

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Contrary to popular belief, to repent does not mean to feel sorry for your sins and ask forgivness, no, to repent means to turn away, to change your current path, to do an about face, to turn from your sin. So, asking God to forgive you of your sin, means nothing, unless you repent (turn away from) from your sins. In Luke 13:3 Jesus said, "I tell you; but unless you repent you will perish."

Was reading Matt 3 & Lk 3 this morning as your above thought headed in my mind to that direction

What did J the B say to those who came to hear him & to be baptized

'Show forth Fruits proving your Repentance'

Yes, the definition, "to do an about face and turn away from your sin" goes right along with what John the Baptist said.

Ariellamb said:
There are few JB preachers today

It seems that many misunderstand what the word repent means.
 
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robert....you simply need to follow the Lord. no matter what you say you cannot convince me that you are cut off from God and unable to be saved. now i used to be in your shoes, convinced that i was "unpardonable". whether you feel unpardonable or not....follow the Lord. that is what i did and it has been a success (it took time. month after month after month). now what do i mean by "follow the Lord"....well our pastor puts it this way "turning away from our sins and towards Christ." letting him have the "steering wheel" of our life, putting what he says (in the scriptures) into practice, asking for his mercy when we fail.

i believe that this concern you have about wanting to be right with God is something that shows that the Holy Spirit is at work on your life. i am telling you thats the way i came to the Lord....thru my horror of not being right with him. the way out of that state of despair is to put your trust in Christ and follow God in spite of your feelings. now, that doesn't mean if you do that, your despair will go away overnight. it may take a week or a month or a year or more (God works on his own time schedule). i read about a man named william cowper (you should look him up online) and he also sufferred thru this kind of despair (he thought he could not be saved) but he followed God anyways. and he was used by God to write hymns. i would encourage you to read about him from what you can find on the internet.

about the porn temptation.....we are all sinners and we are all gonna be tempted to sin. even when we follow God, the temptation to sin is always gonna be there until we go to heaven (because of our sin nature). but what we need to do is fight the temptation, and pray about it and ask for the Lord's help to resist. and when we mess up and give in, we need to ask God's forgiveness and help to overcome our sin. it is a lifelong process. yes....facing temptation is hard, i face temptations every day.
That is so true with all of us... It is a life long process. The temptations that so easily beset us.. as Paul said.
 
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When I look at myself and I see the way I have sinned against God when I knew better makes it very difficult for me to understand how I could be saved. Especially when it seems like God has stopped calling me with his spirit.

No one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws the person and if the Father has stopped drawing me then that would leave nothing but Hell waiting for me.
 
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Why so bound and determined to condemn thy self to Hell? Can you not just leave it in His merciful hands and be a servant in His kingdom for the love of Him.. Be ye content to know and love Him. Leave the saving issue in His hands. Just be a willing obedient child of God come what may.
 
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Lol dude I'm not gonna sugar coat this, Without faith you can't please God, Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," Dude theres absolutly nothing you can do to be right with God except believeing in Jesus, Jesus did it alot of people have told you good info I don't know if your just trying to keep this thread going or what, and haveing a relationship with Jesus takes time man especially alone time, time in the word, take some verses and when you feel like your faith is failing speak what is true that he has saved you that his word is true, Its not about your emotions that you don't feel saved its not about a feeling, your forgiven by the blood and thats it your the only one holding these things against yourself because in heaven your Sin doesn't exist because of Jesus. and what your saying about being Drawn to jesus is for people who aren't saved. James 4:8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
 
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When I look at myself and I see the way I have sinned against God when I knew better makes it very difficult for me to understand how I could be saved.

you can be saved because of God's mercy and love for you. for years i sinned against God when i knew i was not supposed to be doing that. but God is MERCIFUL it means that we do not deserve his mercy but he will give it anyway. God is getting your attention lately and what you need to do is make sure you are following God each day no matter what your feelings are telling you. when we (any of us) pray to God asking him to increase our faith, save our souls, help us to live godly lives....God is pleased with those prayers. those are the kinds of prayers God loves to grant.
 
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Errm Not quite right there
God hates sin and is hurt by the sinner who deliberately plans on that path

As much as i love Robert i cannot condone or encourage him hurting the One who died for him

Hello Ariellamb, whilst I agree with you that God does not condone sin, I find it unimaginable that a loving God would be angry with someone like Robert who is suffering terribly as a result of the damaging false doctrine promoted by the various preachers he has come across. What their teaching has done to his poor guy's health and self-esteem is beyond contempt and the fact that they have promoted it in the name of Christ is almost unforgivable. Robert is looking for some kind of relief from the unbearable pain that he is suffering and whilst I would agree with you that he may be going about it the wrong way here, I think God would have tremendous compassion on him given the circumstances.
 
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WOW!!!!

Well brother, you are definitely not alone, as I am in a VERY similar boat as you. I think I understand what you mean by saving faith. In fact, I didn't know what I was missing/what to call it until I saw your post, so that in itself means your post was very valuable.

If we are in a similar boat, it sounds like you want perfect faith, like the kind of faith that will allow you to get through any torture, trial or tribulation without a second glance at fear and doubt.

I also have a good knowledge (I feel) of the bible, but I also sin, and those temptations are very strong brother I know. I don't know about you, but I get these moments of clarity where I am strong as an Ox, then maybe I will backslide and I fall twice as far it seems. And then, I will do something stupid. I know it is wrong, but I am so low and disappointed in myself I do it anyway. This is a form of spiritual cutting, because we know fully the consequences (death,) but we do it anyway.

Have you been crying out to God? Asking him what you are doing? Begging him to help you? Have you found yourself talking to God more than you do some friends, even if it is venting and telling him what is wrong with you? It sounds like you are, and I think our Father may be inducing this in us.

Without you knowing it, you may already have a very powerful relationship with our Father, but because you see yourself as a hell-bound sinner, you cant see the relationship you have with God that is probably diamond-strength. Maybe you don't feel like you deserve that relationship because of who you [think you] are.

The truth is, in the real world there are very few people that want to hear anyone's problems, because it is confrontational and others have problems too. And that leaves people like you and me to our own thoughts of erroneously evaluating our worth and relationship with our Father. Automatically, we are at a handicap because in addition to our best efforts at beating ourselves up, Satan is right there with his buddies trying to grind us unto the spiritual dirt. All the more reason to lean on our Father.

You may be going through the "pruning/refining" that God talks about. If we (you, me and the world) can truly trust that everything will work out, especially if we love Him, then we would be greatly advantaged.

At least, that is what it sounds like to me. Take it from someone who is actively going through something very similar to you. [In my moment of clarity I can say] Satan is just trying to make you hold on to the last couple of drops of "sin" you have because you are a threat to him. If you were to tough it out with your Father and eventually get that dense faith you want, how could satan touch you? He really cant now, but he is just playing like he can. And, for another one of God's children to come out of the fire purified in the end times, right when he is getting ready to [try to] set up shop here on earth? YOU are very dangerous to satan and his buddies.


Brother, I understand where you are, and empathize with you. Even in my moments of clarity like now I still wonder about myself and my faith. Everyday is a struggle. I don't have dense faith like we want, but I have gained some faith... much more than I ever had.

About five or six years ago I read in the bible where God says that if you love anyone more than him (mother, father, son, daughter), you cannot be with Him. Now, I love my mother DEARLY, so this scared me a lot because I couldn't think of any greater love, and I knew I didn't love God as much as I loved my mother. So, I prayed to my Father to show me how to love him like I am supposed to. BOY DID I GO ON A SPIRITUAL ROLLER COASTER DURING THOSE 5 YEARS!!!!! But, I actually love Him more than my mother now... volumes more. I need him, and I get depressed when sin separates us. Satan knows this and exploits it.

So, I know from personal fact that He will give you something if you ask, especially if it is out of love. In fact, it has already been done. In the mean time, satan is trying to convince us that God is a liar and we aren't worthy of anything we ask of him. So brother, while we wait for the precious gifts our father is going to give us, we have get in some spiritual training. I am 100% positive if you [have] ask(ed) our Father for that dense faith you desperately want and need, he will give it to you.

Well, that was long winded lol.. things will work out brother. Try not to beat yourself up so much. If you are feeling helpless come on here and give some of your valuable insights on the Word. That will help take the focus off of you. Trust me bro it helps, no matter how reluctant you are
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Love and blessings brother. If you ever wanna talk I am always around.

Peace.
 
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WOW!!!!

Well brother, you are definitely not alone, as I am in a VERY similar boat as you. I think I understand what you mean by saving faith. In fact, I didn't know what I was missing/what to call it until I saw your post, so that in itself means your post was very valuable.

If we are in a similar boat, it sounds like you want perfect faith, like the kind of faith that will allow you to get through any torture, trial or tribulation without a second glance at fear and doubt.

I also have a good knowledge (I feel) of the bible, but I also sin, and those temptations are very strong brother I know. I don't know about you, but I get these moments of clarity where I am strong as an Ox, then maybe I will backslide and I fall twice as far it seems. And then, I will do something stupid. I know it is wrong, but I am so low and disappointed in myself I do it anyway. This is a form of spiritual cutting, because we know fully the consequences (death,) but we do it anyway.

Have you been crying out to God? Asking him what you are doing? Begging him to help you? Have you found yourself talking to God more than you do some friends, even if it is venting and telling him what is wrong with you? It sounds like you are, and I think our Father may be inducing this in us.

Without you knowing it, you may already have a very powerful relationship with our Father, but because you see yourself as a hell-bound sinner, you cant see the relationship you have with God that is probably diamond-strength. Maybe you don't feel like you deserve that relationship because of who you [think you] are.

The truth is, in the real world there are very few people that want to hear anyone's problems, because it is confrontational and others have problems too. And that leaves people like you and me to our own thoughts of erroneously evaluating our worth and relationship with our Father. Automatically, we are at a handicap because in addition to our best efforts at beating ourselves up, Satan is right there with his buddies trying to grind us unto the spiritual dirt. All the more reason to lean on our Father.

You may be going through the "pruning/refining" that God talks about. If we (you, me and the world) can truly trust that everything will work out, especially if we love Him, then we would be greatly advantaged.

At least, that is what it sounds like to me. Take it from someone who is actively going through something very similar to you. [In my moment of clarity I can say] Satan is just trying to make you hold on to the last couple of drops of "sin" you have because you are a threat to him. If you were to tough it out with your Father and eventually get that dense faith you want, how could satan touch you? He really cant now, but he is just playing like he can. And, for another one of God's children to come out of the fire purified in the end times, right when he is getting ready to [try to] set up shop here on earth? YOU are very dangerous to satan and his buddies.


Brother, I understand where you are, and empathize with you. Even in my moments of clarity like now I still wonder about myself and my faith. Everyday is a struggle. I don't have dense faith like we want, but I have gained some faith... much more than I ever had.

About five or six years ago I read in the bible where God says that if you love anyone more than him (mother, father, son, daughter), you cannot be with Him. Now, I love my mother DEARLY, so this scared me a lot because I couldn't think of any greater love, and I knew I didn't love God as much as I loved my mother. So, I prayed to my Father to show me how to love him like I am supposed to. BOY DID I GO ON A SPIRITUAL ROLLER COASTER DURING THOSE 5 YEARS!!!!! But, I actually love Him more than my mother now... volumes more. I need him, and I get depressed when sin separates us. Satan knows this and exploits it.

So, I know from personal fact that He will give you something if you ask, especially if it is out of love. In fact, it has already been done. In the mean time, satan is trying to convince us that God is a liar and we aren't worthy of anything we ask of him. So brother, while we wait for the precious gifts our father is going to give us, we have get in some spiritual training. I am 100% positive if you [have] ask(ed) our Father for that dense faith you desperately want and need, he will give it to you.

Well, that was long winded lol.. things will work out brother. Try not to beat yourself up so much. If you are feeling helpless come on here and give some of your valuable insights on the Word. That will help take the focus off of you. Trust me bro it helps, no matter how reluctant you are :D.

Love and blessings brother. If you ever wanna talk I am always around.

Peace.


So true brother in struggle! Trust in God don't think you can stop sin yourself, such thinking is folly.

The Bible says let grace rule!

Yet what happens when you do that?

The Dragon rears! The tempter calls, many condemn - others encourage - and sin seems to flourish, leaving you dead on the ground in The End.

Yet why mourn that, but not Him?:confused:

I found that being free must also mean I can choose for sin. At least this way I can see I'm wrong and and go to Christ for forgiveness and learn to love Him for what He did and does for me! Also this way I know I can't do it myself and rely completely on Christ sacrifice to get me in.

And you know what I found?

When grace grows in sinful self then love for sin starts to die!

This is especially true after - the grace abuser - the son of lawlessness has been revealed - that living in us doomed to destruction - when the love of Christ - cuts our greedy, selfish, arrogant, lustful and unfaithful parts out of our spirit.(Daniel 7) For being like that is doomed to be lost forever! For such will not inherit eternal life - but gnash its teeth, (Jude.) While we who have fornicated with that will bow down at Jesus feet and die to being like that in tears, never to let ourself become like that no more but become faithful to God's love and walk through life freely from then on - loving God, self and other! (Rev 1)

after that the rest of Revelation will follow automatically - time and again - the wheels of God's truth renewing and restoring you into True Newness of Life.

I swear by God almighty this is true!


His gracious love has set me completely free from my sin and He daily treats me as His beloved child - wherever or whatever!

and so yes, even in my flesh I'm learning to serve Him just as is written!

This is what I found - Let the unholy be unholy still, let the vile be vile still, and let the holy be holy still - once you see the angel say that to you then you will begin to understand the goat and the sheep perspective from a much more personal perspective - and marvel at God's grace.:thumbsup:


All glory to Him!:clap::clap::clap:
 
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Hello Ariellamb, whilst I agree with you that God does not condone sin, I find it unimaginable that a loving God would be angry with someone like Robert who is suffering terribly as a result of the damaging false doctrine promoted by the various preachers he has come across. What their teaching has done to his poor guy's health and self-esteem is beyond contempt and the fact that they have promoted it in the name of Christ is almost unforgivable. Robert is looking for some kind of relief from the unbearable pain that he is suffering and whilst I would agree with you that he may be going about it the wrong way here, I think God would have tremendous compassion on him given the circumstances.

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So true brother in struggle! Trust in God don't think you can stop sin yourself, such thinking is folly.

The Bible says let grace rule!

Yet what happens when you do that?

The Dragon rears! The tempter calls, many condemn - others encourage - and sin seems to flourish, leaving you dead on the ground in The End.

Yet why mourn that, but not Him?:confused:

I found that being free must also mean I can choose for sin. At least this way I can see I'm wrong and and go to Christ for forgiveness and learn to love Him for what He did and does for me! Also this way I know I can't do it myself and rely completely on Christ sacrifice to get me in.

And you know what I found?

When grace grows in sinful self then love for sin starts to die!

This is especially true after - the grace abuser - the son of lawlessness has been revealed - that living in us doomed to destruction - when the love of Christ - cuts our greedy, selfish, arrogant, lustful and unfaithful parts out of our spirit.(Daniel 7) For being like that is doomed to be lost forever! For such will not inherit eternal life - but gnash its teeth, (Jude.) While we who have fornicated with that will bow down at Jesus feet and die to being like that in tears, never to let ourself become like that no more but become faithful to God's love and walk through life freely from then on - loving God, self and other! (Rev 1)

after that the rest of Revelation will follow automatically - time and again - the wheels of God's truth renewing and restoring you into True Newness of Life.

I swear by God almighty this is true!


His gracious love has set me completely free from my sin and He daily treats me as His beloved child - wherever or whatever!

and so yes, even in my flesh I'm learning to serve Him just as is written!

This is what I found - Let the unholy be unholy still, let the vile be vile still, and let the holy be holy still - once you see the angel say that to you then you will begin to understand the goat and the sheep perspective from a much more personal perspective - and marvel at God's grace.:thumbsup:


All glory to Him!:clap::clap::clap:
Amen... be a overcomer.. in all the sins that so easily beset us..
 
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Thats just the problem, all I can see are my sins and for the life of me I cannot see the way of escape and without the Holy Spirits presence in my life I guess I should not expect to be able to see the light because unless the Holy Spirit is striving with a person they cannot and will not be able to see or understand the light because its only by the power of the Holy Spirit that anyone see's the light.

Robert, you are coming under condemnation, these are marks of the enemies work, of Satans work, this is something you may need ministry into, The enemy is lying to you. Lets break this down:

1# Do you believe you are a sinner?

Obviously the answer is yes, without reservation

"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," (Romans 3:23, NIV)

[1]
[1] The Holy Bible : New International Version. 1996, c1984 (electronic ed.). Grand Rapids: Zondervan.


2# Do you know that your Sins have seperated you from a Holy and Righteous God?

I believe you do, from what I have seen you write and your reponses.

"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law." (Romans 2:12, NIV)

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[1] The Holy Bible : New International Version. 1996, c1984 (electronic ed.). Grand Rapids: Zondervan.


3# Do you know that those who are seperated from God will do so for an eternity?

I am making the assumption that you know this.

What I have described here is the condition of all mankind, lost without hope, under the legal requirement of God, to face an eternity without God.

Here is a problem Man is sperated from God because of his sin. Man cannot bridge such a gap not even with their good works.

"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." (Isaiah 64:6, KJV)

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[1] The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version.). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

Now because God is holy, and must judge sin we all stand condemnd under His pronouncement, "you are guilty"

We therefore are without any hope of bridging this gap!

So, will God leave us to our fate?

By no means

Although we stand condemed before God, there must be punishment meeted out for our sins, we must be punished.

But look at what God did for Adam and Eve when they sinned (the original sinners)

"Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them." (Genesis 3:21, KJV)

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[1] The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version.). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

Originally Adam and Eve clothed themselves with Fig leaves to try to cover their own sinfullness this was not sufficient and God Himself showed that this was not sufficient, so he made coats of skins for them and God Himself clothed them. Now in order for their to be skins there had to be a death made so that they would be covered with those skins, so God sacrificed an animal (possibly 2) in order to cover their sinfulness. This is why when Cain and Abel presented their sacrifices to God that God rejected Cains, and accepted Abel's. Why? Because God showed their Parents what was an acceptable sacrifice. And what was an acceptable sacrifice? A life. So God from the beginning has shown what is the only acceptable sacrifice and covering for Sins, is the life of another creature. Why?

"But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood." (Genesis 9:4, ESV)

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[1] The Holy Bible : English standard version. 2001. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.

The Life is in the blood, and so the life of one is given for another.

Then God calls out a nation from Egypt, He saves the children of Israel from Gods judgement by what?
"Tell all the congregation of Israel that on the tenth day of this month every man shall take a lamb according to their fathers’ houses, a lamb for a household. And if the household is too small for a lamb, then he and his nearest neighbor shall take according to the number of persons; according to what each can eat you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male a year old. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats, and you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs at twilight. “Then they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses in which they eat it. They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted on the fire; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it. Do not eat any of it raw or boiled in water, but roasted, its head with its legs and its inner parts. And you shall let none of it remain until the morning; anything that remains until the morning you shall burn. In this manner you shall eat it: with your belt fastened, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. And you shall eat it in haste. It is the Lord’s Passover. For I will pass through the land of Egypt that night, and I will strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and on all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the Lord. The blood shall be a sign for you, on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and no plague will befall you to destroy you, when I strike the land of Egypt." (Exodus 12:3-13, ESV)

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[1] The Holy Bible : English standard version. 2001. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.

The blood, the sacrifice saved Israel from the sure judgement of God.

God then delivered this nation and gave them the Law which contained within it the sacrificial system. Now why did God give these Israelites, the sacrificial system with the law? Because He knew that they where not going to keep the Law and so He gave them a way to obtain forgiveness from God when they transgressed the Law. However there is a problem as the book of Hebrews points out

"But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." (Hebrews 10:3-4, ESV)

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[1] The Holy Bible : English standard version. 2001. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.

Why then did God give them something that would not truely take away sins?

" For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near." (Hebrews 10:1, ESV)

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[1] The Holy Bible : English standard version. 2001. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.

The Law itself was a shadow of things to come, what are these things to come?

" But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God." (Hebrews 9:11-14, ESV)

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[1] The Holy Bible : English standard version. 2001. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.

And what does John the Baptist testify about Jesus

" The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! This is he of whom I said, ‘After me comes a man who ranks before me, because he was before me.’ I myself did not know him, but for this purpose I came baptizing with water, that he might be revealed to Israel.” And John bore witness: “I saw the Spirit descend from heaven like a dove, and it remained on him. I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.” The next day again John was standing with two of his disciples, and he looked at Jesus as he walked by and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God!”" (John 1:29-36, ESV)

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[1] The Holy Bible : English standard version. 2001. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.

Why the Lamb of God? Think back to the redemption that was wrought to the Israelites when they sprinkled the blood to the doorposts. Jesus is the sacrifice that has taken away the sin ofo the world, and again as afirmed by the Apostle John.

" My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world." (1 John 2:1-2, ESV)

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[1] The Holy Bible : English standard version. 2001. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.

Now what does it mean for the whole world but that Christ died for all, freely giving His life so that all may be saved. Now will all be saved? No not all will be saved, what is the difference between those who will be saved and those who will not be saved. Let us explore the options:

1# Christ only died for the Christian?

Not at all, as I have shown to you, Christ died for the world, not just for the Christian

2# Only those who are good enough, and have no sin?

Not at all, for the scripture declares that all are under sins condemnation and that even their own rghteousness is as filthy rags, there is not one who has the ability to stand under their own merit.

3# Those who accept the sacrifice of Christ for their Sins in order that they may obtain through faith salvation?

Yes, read Romans, and Galatians, it is through faith in Christ, in His sacrifice that we obtain salvation, or have you not read

"It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus." (Romans 3:26, ESV)

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[1] The Holy Bible : English standard version. 2001. Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.

Infact the entire book of Hebrews was written to Jews who, because of persecution where turning back to their Judaism to save them, and turning away from the sacrifice of Christ. Yashua's sacrifice is the centrepiece of the book to the Hebrews.

It is not your sins that are seperating you from the Lord, it is your lack of faith in His sacrifice. Christ died for the ungodly for the sinner for the reprobate, in order that He way save them to the uttermost.

Does a Christian sin after recieving Christ, indeed, infact it is a worse struggle in some ways for Yashua works within us in order to bring more of our own sinfulness to the surface to refine us and discipline us. It is His love that disciplines us, not His wrath.

Robert, picture Jesus on the cross, He is looking at you, and He is saying to you, "Robert, I have done this for you, so that you may live, so that you may walk in relationship with the Father. My Father is not like your father, my Father loves you to the very core of your being and has given my life to you as a ransom, to buy you back from kingdom of darkness, and translate you into the kingdom of light. But Robert, you must believe, I cannot believe for you, you must step out of the boat, and trust me that I have done what I purposed to do from before you where knit togehter in your mothers womb"

Robert, I pray that our precious Father would grant to you, revelation knowledge, that you would see with your heart what the Father has done for you through Jesus, that you would knwo the meaning of Calvary.

Give over your mind and you thoughts to the Father, and let Him change your understanding in these things.

I pray for all of these things and for you in the mighty name of Yeshua.
 
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Then why is Christ still a stranger to me? why dont I have a personal relationship with him yet? and its not as though I have not been trying, I have been in this state of despair for over a year now trying to be saved and still unable to attain salvation.

The only logical reason I can think of is that I have committed the unpardonable sin (spurned the Holy Ghost from sinning against the light I was given).

I feel like im gonna give into inappropriate content again, the temptation today for me to look at that stuff is extremely strong.
Are you still around, Robert? How are you doing?
 
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