I don't get it...

[JTM3]

Why would anyone in their right mind be against PHIA??

Why would anyone not want to believe in prosperity?

As Dids rightly states in his post, if we seek God first, THEN these THINGS shall be added unto us; it's the relationship first, then the benefits.

I don't understand you people...there's nothing mystical about WoF, and we're not manipulating God. We're simply believing his promises.

So what if people don't get healed because THEY lack faith, not because it's a false doctrine??

Why is it so horrible to tell them that? There..

I might be beating a horse, but I think not, especially after certain people continue to post in opposition...



-Just a thought

 

[probinson]

I hope you've prepared yourself for a whole flurry of opposition....

 

[BarbB]

I'll be first, Pete.

JTM - what a pile of baloney.

I have plenty of backbone or I wouldn't be able to take the abuse of teenagers.

 

[Tamara224]

Why would anyone in their right mind be against PHIA??

Why would anyone not want to believe in prosperity?

It's not that anyone specifically wants to be against these things.

What we want is to believe the Truth, the full truth and nothing but the Truth, so help us God. If those doctrines are not the truth then it matters not one wit to me whether they are pleasant or not, or whether it would be 'great' if they were true.

I only want to cling to truth. I don't care how nice it seems to believe that God wants us all to be happy and healthy and rich all of the time. If that's not the truth, then I am against it.

 

[probinson]

I wonder why, if these things are not the "truth", that they've been at work in me for the past 26 years.

Psalm 34:8
Taste and see that the LORD is good;
blessed is the man who takes refuge in him.

Once you taste and see, it's hard to deny.

 

[JTM3]

I'll be first, Pete.

JTM - what a pile of baloney.

I have plenty of backbone or I wouldn't be able to take the abuse of teenagers.

ok ok I'll do some editing....

 

[Christina M]

It's not that anyone specifically wants to be against these things.

What we want is to believe the Truth, the full truth and nothing but the Truth, so help us God. If those doctrines are not the truth then it matters not one wit to me whether they are pleasant or not, or whether it would be 'great' if they were true.

I only want to cling to truth. I don't care how nice it seems to believe that God wants us all to be happy and healthy and rich all of the time. If that's not the truth, then I am against it.

BUT..... WOF IS truth....

It's the Word.... believed.

Simple.

No manipulation. No twisting. No second-guessing God's intent.

 

[Dondi]

I would love to believe that there is no hell, either. Woudln't that be great? Nobody would go there. Everyone can be saved. Why wouldn't anyone not want to believe there is no hell?

And I could probably give a few scriptures to support my position. But then just because I believe there is no hell doesn't do away from the fact that there are scriptures that say that there is a hell.

I'd love to believe in PHIA, but I'm having a hard time reconciling those "proof" scriptures with other scriptures and evidence that point to the contrary.

 

[JTM3]

lol here we go again...where's Jim???

 

[BarbB]

I wonder why, if these things are not the "truth", that they've been at work in me for the past 26 years.

Psalm 34:8
Taste and see that the LORD is good;
blessed is the man who takes refuge in him.

Once you taste and see, it's hard to deny.

OK, you've known us for a while now. At least as well as one can know someone on the internet. You know most of our testimonies. So do you honestly believe that we non-WOF are denying that the Lord is good; that we don't take refuge in him. Careful here, as you could well be questioning the salvation of non-WOF.

 

[JimB]

Why would anyone in their right mind be against PHIA??

Why would anyone not want to believe in prosperity?

As Dids rightly states in his post, if we seek God first, THEN these THINGS shall be added unto us; it's the relationship first, then the benefits.

I don't understand you people...there's nothing mystical about WoF, and we're not manipulating God. We're simply believing his promises.

So what if people don't get healed because THEY lack faith, not because it's a false doctrine??

Why is it so horrible to tell them that? There..

I might be beating a horse, but I think not, especially after certain people continue to post in opposition...



-Just a thought

[Here’s another thought]

Um, one reason is that the way they are being offered up in this forum they are just not biblical. There is just enough truth in what is being taught to make the doctrines deceptive and dangerous.

Sincerely,
~Adam Zappel

 

[Christina M]

[Here’s another thought]

Um, one reason is that the way they are being offered up in this forum they are just not biblical. There is just enough truth in what is being taught to make the doctrines deceptive and dangerous.

Sincerely,
~Adam Zappel

Even though Jim and others here have been shown the scriptures 100s of times, they are still free to reject PHIA. They have free will.

 

[JimB]

See what I mean.

BUT..... WOF IS truth....

It's the Word.... believed.

Simple.

No manipulation. No twisting. No second-guessing God's intent.

 

[probinson]

OK, you've known us for a while now. At least as well as one can know someone on the internet. You know most of our testimonies. So do you honestly believe that we non-WOF are denying that the Lord is good; that we don't take refuge in him. Careful here, as you could well be questioning the salvation of non-WOF.

NO. I don't believe that you are questioning whether the Lord is good, nor am I implying that you don't take refuge in Him. The point I was emphasizing was "taste and see". I've experienced the things that some here are saying are not "truth" many times over. I've seen it work in other's lives and in my own life.

And why are some people so concerned with whether or not I am questioning your salvation??

ATTENTION K-MART SHOPPERS: I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOUR SALVATION.

On another note, I am secure about my salvation and who I am in Christ, so feel free to question my salvation all you want. It won't offend me in the least.

 

[probinson]

[Here’s another thought]

Um, one reason is that the way they are being offered up in this forum they are just not biblical. There is just enough truth in what is being taught to make the doctrines deceptive and dangerous.

That's just not true. "Biblical" arguments have been made on both (all) sides of this debate.

Thankfully, Jesus came to show us the will of the Father.

 

[JimB]

Even though Jim and others here have been shown the scriptures 100s of times, they are still free to reject PHIA. They have free will.

And though we have shown you “100s” of other scriptures that would bring a bit of balance to the selective scriptures you prefer to read, you are still stubbornly refuse to acknowledge them. We need the whole counsel of God for our beliefs, not just the parts we like.

It is frustrating on both sides of this question, Christina.

Sincerely,
~Adam Zappel

 

[SteelDisciple]

OK. What. The. Heck. Is. WoF?

 

[probinson]

OK. What. The. Heck. Is. WoF?

Word of Faith.

 

[probinson]

And though we have shown you “100s” of other scriptures that would bring a bit of balance to the selective scriptures you prefer to read, you are still stubbornly refuse to acknowledge them. We the the whole counsel of God for our beliefs, not just the parts we like.

It is frustrating on both sides of this question, Christina.

I wouldn't call the 4 Gospels, encompassing Jesus' entire ministry here on earth, "selective scriptures"

Jesus heals

 

[JimfromOhio]

Healing is not guaranteed by the atonement, it is provided by the atonement. A man's doctrine (WOF) states that the only thing standing between a Christian and perfect health is sin or a lack of faith, because healing is the privilege of all believers.

While ultimate physical healing is in the atonement (a healing we will enjoy in our resurrection bodies), healing of our bodies while in the mortal state (prior to our death and resurrection) is not guaranteed in the atonement. Christ's atonement provided us with a means to obtain a resurrection to eternal life with no more sickness, death, or suffering, so in that sense, yes, healing was provided for in the atonement. What I will be discussing is the popular teaching of healing in the atonement which teaches that the realization of all the benefits of the atonement belong to us in the here and now. I believe that God can and does heal people today. I believe in the gift of healing. God may heal people in answer to prayer, and he may empower some with the gift of healing. What I am arguing against is the idea that temporal physical healing is guaranteed. Too many people mistakenly assume that if a person doesn't believe in healing in the atonement that the person doesn't believe in healing at all, and that's just not the case.