I don't care if you think abortion is wrong.

[EnemyPartyII]

Jesus, like many other people, was probably both Liberal and Conservative. He abided by many of the Jewish Laws (and seemed to be very Conservative in many of His actions). But He also changed many of the Laws (He was willing to walk more than was allowed to help someone, He said that all people, not just Jews, could be saved). It takes sort of a lot of disregarding information about Jesus (Biblical and otherwise) to say that He was either completely Liberal or completely Conservative.

And, I think, He probably wouldn't approve completely of either contemporary political view.

QFT

 

[Lisa0315]

Jesus, like many other people, was probably both Liberal and Conservative. He abided by many of the Jewish Laws (and seemed to be very Conservative in many of His actions). But He also changed many of the Laws (He was willing to walk more than was allowed to help someone, He said that all people, not just Jews, could be saved). It takes sort of a lot of disregarding information about Jesus (Biblical and otherwise) to say that He was either completely Liberal or completely Conservative.

And, I think, He probably wouldn't approve completely of either contemporary political view.

I agree.

Lisa

 

[pikatore]

Well I'm happy that Christians operate on what Jesus 'probably' would have wanted. That really unifies the believers.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Well I'm happy that Christians operate on what Jesus 'probably' would have wanted. That really unifies the believers.

do you have a better suggestion?

 

[Renton405]

I've heard other conservative Catholics say these things. But they are meaningless as long as the hierarchy doesn't act, which they will not do. You can believe all that if you want but it's essentially just meangless drivel.

Did you read my post?? They don't have to act, abortion in itself induces an automatic excommunication. They do it to themselves. If a women dies while having an abortion she will die in mortal sin and it will send her to Hell(unless by some miracle she has contrition in that little amount of time).. If you consider that "drivel" then that shows where your morals are..

Actually no. Even on some polls most Catholics agree abortion is best determined by the woman and her medical providers; the busybodies and the men in dresses need to stay out of it.

Which polls? Provide info..

Also it dosen't matter what the people do, its the Church doctrine thats important. There are many Catholics who are out of communion with the church or excommunicated and do not know about it...

Most Catholics know that abortion is a sin. They are in denial that is all.. In fact someone who claims to be a Catholic who is pro-choice would be a heretic by definition because they are not in FULL communion with Church doctrine..You can't pick which doctrines you like and which you don't, that would be making yourself God..Unfortunatly your opinion dosen't trump 2000 years guided by the holy spirit. You cannot fight against the truth..

 

[Renton405]

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[Texas Lynn]

And this you know how? Linky please.

Read what the governments there are doing. The RCC is about as irrelevant to what goes on there as the Church of England is in Britain.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Honey, Jesus Christ would make the Conservatives look Liberal. Get real. He fulfilled the law for goodness sake. How liberal can that be?

Lisa

That must be why the conservatives of the day (Pharisees, Saducees, etc.) fought him so hard, because he was one of them.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Did you read my post?? They don't have to act, abortion in itself induces an automatic excommunication. They do it to themselves. If a women dies while having an abortion she will die in mortal sin and it will send her to Hell(unless by some miracle she has contrition in that little amount of time).. If you consider that "drivel" then that shows where your morals are..




Which polls? Provide info..

Also it dosen't matter what the people do, its the Church doctrine thats important. There are many Catholics who are out of communion with the church or excommunicated and do not know about it...

Most Catholics know that abortion is a sin. They are in denial that is all.. In fact someone who claims to be a Catholic who is pro-choice would be a heretic by definition because they are not in FULL communion with Church doctrine..You can't pick which doctrines you like and which you don't, that would be making yourself God..Unfortunatly your opinion dosen't trump 2000 years guided by the holy spirit. You cannot fight against the truth..

That hasn't kept the RCC hierarchy from doing it.

 

[stan1980]

You can't pick which doctrines you like and which you don't, that would be making yourself God..Unfortunatly your opinion dosen't trump 2000 years guided by the holy spirit. You cannot fight against the truth..

The bible says:

We should stone to death disobedient children
Is it ok to sell your daughter to slavery
Anyone who works on the Sabbath should be put to death
You must not go anywhere near a women while she is on her period

So you yourself are a hypocrite, and i'm also tempted to say, by your very own standards, not a real christian as you and every christian alive picks and chooses which parts they like.

 

[Renton405]

The bible says:

We should stone to death disobedient children
Is it ok to sell your daughter to slavery
Anyone who works on the Sabbath should be put to death
You must not go anywhere near a women while she is on her period

So you yourself are a hypocrite, and i'm also tempted to say, by your very own standards, not a real christian as you and every christian alive picks and chooses which parts they like.

First off Slavery was a different term back then. Slaves simply meant "workers" as they would today. It didn't mean the same thing as what you would think between The whites who had Black slaves..

Secondly missing sunday is a sin.. Doing work and other activities like shopping during a sunday is a sin.. Sin is the worst offense we could do to God and in reality ALL of our sins merit death.. The Law itself is a death sentence because it is the mirror that shows us our sins..

While Jesus did away with the physical(food, cleaning) laws he did not do away with the moral code that is written on our hearts.. While christians are not able to follow everything in the bible because its impossible to be perfect because of our fallen nature, it still dosen't mean its ok to justify sins. When we sin we must realize what we did was wrong and have contrition. In fact, confirming someone in their sins is a sin in itself, and if the person happens to lose his soul because of it, YOU yourself could be partly responsibly. It is a christians job to rebuke sin, not encourage it..What happened if you encouraged a woman to get an abortion and she happened to die ?? You yourself would be partly responsible for that person being killed and possible losing their soul..

 

[stan1980]

In fact, confirming someone in their sins is a sin in itself, and if the person happens to lose his soul because of it, YOU yourself could be partly responsibly. It is a christians job to rebuke sin, not encourage it..What happened if you encouraged a woman to get an abortion and she happened to die ?? You yourself would be partly responsible for that person being killed and possible losing their soul..

Oh dear, i hope you don't shop (on any day of the week) somewhere that opens on sundays, otherwise i could say you are confirming their sins. I don't know about where you live, but almost everywhere here is open on a sunday, so you must be quite limited to where you can shop.

 

[Renton405]

Oh dear, i hope you don't shop (on any day of the week) somewhere that opens on sundays, otherwise i could say you are confirming their sins. I don't know about where you live, but almost everywhere here is open on a sunday, so you must be quite limited to where you can shop.

Sunday is a time for rest and spiritual reflection. It isn't a day to do work or indulge in selfish things.. We must try to at least keep that day holy because it is God's day which he rested from creation..Is one day out of the week so hard??

 

[stan1980]

Priests work on a sunday, and they get paid. Or are they given special dispensation?

 

[Snow Angel]

I think this is the only form of abortion a woman can have,and that is before you get pregnant,take birth control to keep the eggs from forming a baby.Once the
eggs start it is a baby,Don't believe me just wait 9 months and see. I think your body belongs to you,But the spirit that you have in your belly belongs to God:

 

[ReverendDG]

First off Slavery was a different term back then. Slaves simply meant "workers" as they would today. It didn't mean the same thing as what you would think between The whites who had Black slaves..

thats only true of the hebrews, other groups were just like the black slaves.
oh and if you have children as a slave to someone else, your wife and children are theirs
so no you are wrong

Secondly missing sunday is a sin.. Doing work and other activities like shopping during a sunday is a sin.. Sin is the worst offense we could do to God and in reality ALL of our sins merit death.. The Law itself is a death sentence because it is the mirror that shows us our sins..

sorry but you are wrong, the sabbath is on saturday, sunday is a pagan addition.
really? they all mean death? thats odd because a lot of them just had people ritually clean themselves and not go near other people if they broke a ritual law

While Jesus did away with the physical(food, cleaning) laws he did not do away with the moral code that is written on our hearts..

really? where does it say he took away all the laws? he said he came to fulfill them, not take them away

While christians are not able to follow everything in the bible because its impossible to be perfect because of our fallen nature, it still dosen't mean its ok to justify sins. When we sin we must realize what we did was wrong and have contrition. In fact, confirming someone in their sins is a sin in itself, and if the person happens to lose his soul because of it, YOU yourself could be partly responsibly.

really? then you need to get with some posters and tell them this, because people don't seem to be able to understand that attacking a person for being a sinner is sinful as well

It is a christians job to rebuke sin, not encourage it..What happened if you encouraged a woman to get an abortion and she happened to die ?? You yourself would be partly responsible for that person being killed and possible losing their soul..

how would they lose their soul? if you are saying getting abortion is a sin please support that.
otherwise how would they lose their soul?

 

[Patashu]

First off Slavery was a different term back then. Slaves simply meant "workers" as they would today. It didn't mean the same thing as what you would think between The whites who had Black slaves..

1. Prove it.
2. Why was the word deceptively translated as 'slaves' if we would say 'workers'?

 

[rydog32]

Sunday is a time for rest and spiritual reflection. It isn't a day to do work or indulge in selfish things.. We must try to at least keep that day holy because it is God's day which he rested from creation..Is one day out of the week so hard??

Why are there more "non believers" than people with a religion (now i'm not saying atheists) its because religions are flawed. One way or another there is a loop hole and un-answered questions where the only answer is faith and people now a-days as well as for most of the human races existence need to see experience these things and yet not just listen to the prophets. Take a look at it like this, 5000 years ago what was the popular religion? The Egyptians worshiped their gods and built great statues and monuments for them. And then eventually they're religion perished because if it wasn't gone, and the gods did come ,today we would live in a completely different world. Now with an opening for a new religion here comes a special fellow named Jesus. And from him evolves many great religions and tales. But in the end people use religion just as a scape goat for many things. And the main purpose of a religion is to stop us from being driven crazy because we cannot comprehend the reason for why we are here. And most of all, the reason for why we are here lies deep inside everyone. But everyone needs to go their own way in order to find it. With everyone finding their reason for why they are here, we will then be able to know the truth. People are insignificant we all are. And until we realize that, we cannot unite.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

First off Slavery was a different term back then. Slaves simply meant "workers" as they would today. It didn't mean the same thing as what you would think between The whites who had Black slaves..

Secondly missing sunday is a sin.. Doing work and other activities like shopping during a sunday is a sin.. Sin is the worst offense we could do to God and in reality ALL of our sins merit death.. The Law itself is a death sentence because it is the mirror that shows us our sins..

While Jesus did away with the physical(food, cleaning) laws he did not do away with the moral code that is written on our hearts.. While christians are not able to follow everything in the bible because its impossible to be perfect because of our fallen nature, it still dosen't mean its ok to justify sins. When we sin we must realize what we did was wrong and have contrition. In fact, confirming someone in their sins is a sin in itself, and if the person happens to lose his soul because of it, YOU yourself could be partly responsibly. It is a christians job to rebuke sin, not encourage it..What happened if you encouraged a woman to get an abortion and she happened to die ?? You yourself would be partly responsible for that person being killed and possible losing their soul..

redefining words arbitrarily is lying all the same.

This from a guy who will tell you that "homosexual", as used by the Bible, can't POSSIBLY be mistranslated... but a word like "slave" can be.

And whats even worse? He sees absolutely no contradiction in this.

 

[Texas Lynn]

redefining words arbitrarily is lying all the same.

This from a guy who will tell you that "homosexual", as used by the Bible, can't POSSIBLY be mistranslated... but a word like "slave" can be.

And whats even worse? He sees absolutely no contradiction in this.

LOL!