I don't care if you think abortion is wrong.

[PeterMaclellan]

A 16 year old girl is unexpectedly pregnant. She, her boyfried, her parents and her doctor have spent many agonizing hours in careful discussion of all the options, and decide on abortion, suddenly the phone rings.

Caller: Hi, I'm the Christian Right! Just calling to let you know you can't have an abortions.

Girl: Umm... why not?

Caller: Because we don't like it.

Girl: So? It's not your baby, it's not your family, it's not your decision...

Caller: Well too bad, I've never met you before and you live thousands of miles away from me, but I feel I have a right to compel people to follow my moral precepts above their own.

Girl: You do realize that this decision has absolutely nothing to do with you right? That there is no possible way my having an abortion would effect you negatively right?

Caller: Oh I understand that perfectly, still, I find your behavior, which has no effect on me whatsoever, distasteful, so no, you can't do it.

Girl:...

Caller: Ok bye now! God bless.




Listen, Pro-lifers, we KNOW that you don't like abortion, So here's what you can do. You can choose not to have abortions and you can teach your children that abortion is morally wrong. Stay the hell out of the rest of our lives. If were not hurting you, you have NO. RIGHT. WHAT. SO. EVER. to attempt to control what we do. An abortion is a serious decision and the only people that should weigh in on it are the ones directly effected by it, and the doctor. I don't care if you think it's immoral, you have no logical justification for intervention on this one. Leave it alone.

 

[Harpuia]

A 16 year old girl is unexpectedly pregnant. She, her boyfried, her parents and her doctor have spent many agonizing hours in careful discussion of all the options, and decide on abortion, suddenly the phone rings.

Caller: Hi, I'm the Christian Right! Just calling to let you know you can't have an abortions.

Girl: Umm... why not?

Caller: Because we don't like it.

Girl: So? It's not your baby, it's not your family, it's not your decision...

Caller: Well too bad, I've never met you before and you live thousands of miles away from me, but I feel I have a right to compel people to follow my moral precepts above their own.

Girl: You do realize that this decision has absolutely nothing to do with you right? That there is no possible way my having an abortion would effect you negatively right?

Caller: Oh I understand that perfectly, still, I find your behavior, which has no effect on me whatsoever, distasteful, so no, you can't do it.

Girl:...

Caller: Ok bye now! God bless.




Listen, Pro-lifers, we KNOW that you don't like abortion, So here's what you can do. You can choose not to have abortions and you can teach your children that abortion is morally wrong. Stay the hell out of the rest of our lives. If were not hurting you, you have NO. RIGHT. WHAT. SO. EVER. to attempt to control what we do. An abortion is a serious decision and the only people that should weigh in on it are the ones directly effected by it, and the doctor. I don't care if you think it's immoral, you have no logical justification for intervention on this one. Stay the hell out.

So you're saying it's morally okay to abort a baby at nine months... when the girl has had ALL THAT TIME to make the decision beforehand? Not only would I actually consider that murder, but I'd consider that very stupid to carry the baby THAT FAR to term only to abort it. I'd have to wonder if the girl is being malicious.

I can understand extreme exceptions at the 4-5 month mark... but you can't tell me that Partial Birth Abortion makes sense.

 

[gengwall]

A 16 year old girl is unexpectedly pregnant. She, her boyfried, her parents and her doctor have spent many agonizing hours in careful discussion of all the options, and decide on abortion, suddenly the phone rings.

Caller: Hi, I'm the Christian Right! Just calling to let you know you can't have an abortions.

Girl: Umm... why not?

Caller: Because we don't like it.

Girl: So? It's not your baby, it's not your family, it's not your decision...

Caller: Well too bad, I've never met you before and you live thousands of miles away from me, but I feel I have a right to compel people to follow my moral precepts above their own.

Girl: You do realize that this decision has absolutely nothing to do with you right? That there is no possible way my having an abortion would effect you negatively right?

Caller: Oh I understand that perfectly, still, I find your behavior, which has no effect on me whatsoever, distasteful, so no, you can't do it.

Girl:...

Caller: Ok bye now! God bless.




Listen, Pro-lifers, we KNOW that you don't like abortion, So here's what you can do. You can choose not to have abortions and you can teach your children that abortion is morally wrong. Stay the hell out of the rest of our lives. If were not hurting you, you have NO. RIGHT. WHAT. SO. EVER. to attempt to control what we do. An abortion is a serious decision and the only people that should weigh in on it are the ones directly effected by it, and the doctor. I don't care if you think it's immoral, you have no logical justification for intervention on this one. Stay the hell out.

As far as I know, the scenario you paint has never happened. Are you angry because you have experienced such a personal invasion personally? Or are you just ranting because you think people who think abortion is wrong are wrong?

 

[Apollo Celestio]

You say you don't care what we think, and then proceed and try and order us around, well, how about I don't care if you don't care what I think. This is a life or death matter, so that foolish excuse "Stay out of my business" matters none! This isn't about debate, or where one stands, it's LIFE OR DEATH!

 

[PeterMaclellan]

So you're saying it's morally okay to abort a baby at nine months... when the girl has had ALL THAT TIME to make the decision beforehand? Not only would I actually consider that murder, but I'd consider that very stupid to carry the baby THAT FAR to term only to abort it. I'd have to wonder if the girl is being malicious.

I can understand extreme exceptions at the 4-5 month mark... but you can't tell me that Partial Birth Abortion makes sense.

You miss the point, nowhere in the post did I pass judgement on whether abortion is right or wrong. Personally I believe abortion is wrong, but thats the point. MY BELIEFS DONT MATTER UNLESS IT'S MY KID. I don't have a right to tell someone they can't have an abortion just because I find it distasteful, and neither do you.

You say you don't care what we think, and then proceed and try and order us around, well, how about I don't care if you don't care what I think. This is a life or death matter, so that foolish excuse "Stay out of my business" matters none! This isn't about debate, or where one stands, it's LIFE OR DEATH!

If I were to tell you that you cannot be Christian because I think Christianity is wrong, what would your reaction be? Now you understand how other feel when you try to force them to abide by your beliefs. You don't like abortion? Fine, go nuts, disown your kids if they get one, but mind your own business and stay the hell out of others.

 

[Avatar]

Let's change it up a tad..

A 16 year old girl is unexpectedly pregnant and gives birth. She, her boyfried, her parents and her doctor have spent many agonizing hours in careful discussion of all the options, and decide on infanticide, suddenly the phone rings.

Caller: Hi, I'm the Christian Right! Just calling to let you know you can't engage in infanticide.

Girl: Umm... why not?

Caller: Because we don't like it.

Girl: So? It's not your baby, it's not your family, it's not your decision...

Caller: Well too bad, I've never met you before and you live thousands of miles away from me, but I feel I have a right to compel people to follow my moral precepts above their own.

Girl: You do realize that this decision has absolutely nothing to do with you right? That there is no possible way my killing the newborn would effect you negatively right?

Caller: Oh I understand that perfectly, still, I find your behavior, which has no effect on me whatsoever, distasteful, so no, you can't do it.

Girl:...

Caller: Ok bye now! God bless.

We don't see a difference. Get it?

Listen, Pro-lifers, we KNOW that you don't like abortion, So here's what you can do. You can choose not to have abortions and you can teach your children that abortion is morally wrong. Stay the hell out of the rest of our lives. If were not hurting you, you have NO. RIGHT. WHAT. SO. EVER. to attempt to control what we do.

Do whatever you want as long as it doesn't harm another. Another is harmed in abortion.

An abortion is a serious decision and the only people that should weigh in on it are the ones directly effected by it, and the doctor.

Couldn't agree more. So when does the baby get a say?

I don't care if you think it's immoral, you have no logical justification for intervention on this one. Stay the hell out.

Nah. Thanks for the advice though.

 

[PeterMaclellan]

As far as I know, the scenario you paint has never happened. Are you angry because you have experienced such a personal invasion personally? Or are you just ranting because you think people who think abortion is wrong are wrong?

Obviously this scenario has never happened, it's allegorical to thousands of scenarios where women were prevented from receiving the medical services they wanted because the Christian Right seems to think it has a right to dictate moral precepts to everyone else.

 

[Harpuia]

You miss the point, nowhere in the post did I pass judgement on whether abortion is right or wrong. Personally I believe abortion is wrong, but thats the point. MY BELIEFS DONT MATTER UNLESS IT'S MY KID. I don't have a right to tell someone they can't have an abortion just because I find it distasteful, and neither do you.

Uh... when the baby looks like a baby, and can pretty much self sustain on their own, that's, to me, the very minimum where I think I can tell the woman she can't kill the fetus. It's the same as killing your own child at that point. I understand rare cases (rape, harm to the mother, indecisions before Partial Birth Abortion stage), but common sense tells me at that point, it's pretty much a child.

However, I agree with you on one thing. I'm sick of hearing the Religious Right telling people what they can or can't do.

 

[gengwall]

Obviously this scenario has never happened, it's allegorical to thousands of scenarios where women were prevented from receiving the medical services they wanted because the Christian Right seems to think it has a right to dictate moral precepts to everyone else.

Not to my knowledge. I know of no woman "prevented" from getting medical services because of literal intervention from the religious right. So your scenario is intentionally outrageous and is easily addressed. Yes, a person has a right to make personal decisions and is not currently prevented from expressing that right by Christians or anyone else in this country. So you are shouting at the wind.

 

[Harpuia]

Not to my knowledge. I know of no woman "prevented" from getting medical services because of literal intervention from the religious right. So your scenario is intentionally outrageous and is easily addressed. Yes, a person has a right to make personal decisions and is not currently prevented from expressing that right by Christians or anyone else in this country. So you are shouting at the wind.

Prevented? No. Discouraged? Plenty.

One time, I had to give a double-bird to a couple activists who were bugging me over my abortion views.

Last time I go eat by a PP again.

 

[stan1980]

I don't care if you think abortion is wrong.

That's not the impression i'm getting

 

[gengwall]

Prevented? No. Discouraged? Plenty.

One time, I had to give a double-bird to a couple activists who were bugging me over my abortion views.

Last time I go eat by a PP again.

Well, although I don't agree with abortion clinic protest as an effective or even Christlike means of discouraging abortion, it isn't illegal and isn't the kind of personally intrusive scenario outlined by the OP. We are all subject to hearing the contrary opinions of others in the public forum (and perfectly justified in voicing our opposite opinion through the good old fashioned "double bird", lol). If the OP had presented such a scenario I might approach it differently. But he has not mentioned public expression of opposing opinions at all. He specifically is proposing a scenario which includes violation of privacy and, now, unlawful intervention.

 

[Atheuz]

Let's change it up a tad..



We don't see a difference. Get it?

And I don't see a faetus as a human being, I see it as a bunch of segregated cells leeching off the host growing for 4-5 months(For those 4-5 months, it's cancer to me and nothing else), after those 5 months though I'd have to change my opinion and call it a human being

Do whatever you want as long as it doesn't harm another. Another is harmed in abortion.

It's funny to hear Christians say you shouldn't harm others and then see other Christians terrorize and physically and mentally harm women/teenagers who have had an abortion or the doctors that perform them.

Couldn't agree more. So when does the baby get a say?

When it can support itself, putting a baby into the world and not being able to care for it is irresponsible and stupid. "Oh hi baby, we can't feed you so we're just gonna leave you at some dumpster because insane Christians wouldn't let us have an abortion"

 

[levi501]

That's not the impression i'm getting

Then your impression is wrong and could've been avoided with a stronger emphasis on reading comprehension.

Thinking something is wrong and taking action to prevent others from doing it are two different things.

 

[Avatar]

When it can support itself, putting a baby into the world and not being able to care for it is irresponsible and stupid. "Oh hi baby, we can't feed you so we're just gonna leave you at some dumpster because insane Christians wouldn't let us have an abortion"

Yeah, that's the only option people have.

Did you think before you typed that?

 

[platzapS]

Whether it hurts you personally doesn't affect its morality. The genocide in Darfur probably doesn't hurt you in the least, but that doesn't mean that it's OK.

I'm strongly pro-choice, but I think there are much better arguments than "Don't like abortion? Don't get one."

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

Whether it hurts you personally doesn't affect its morality. The genocide in Darfur probably doesn't hurt you in the least, but that doesn't mean that it's OK.

I'm strongly pro-choice, but I think there are much better arguments than "Don't like abortion? Don't get one."

I have to agree.

Though I'm pro-choice, this thread doesn't really address the basic issue of what rights a foetus has or doesn't have. There are people here who believe human life starts at conception, and they're not going to be convinced by the argument that it doesn't affect them any more than I'm going to accept infanticide by parents I don't know.

 

[flicka]

So you're saying it's morally okay to abort a baby at nine months... when the girl has had ALL THAT TIME to make the decision beforehand? Not only would I actually consider that murder, but I'd consider that very stupid to carry the baby THAT FAR to term only to abort it. I'd have to wonder if the girl is being malicious.

I can understand extreme exceptions at the 4-5 month mark... but you can't tell me that Partial Birth Abortion makes sense.

I don't see where the OP said anything about that at all and I don't see how you came up with this particular scenario or how Parial Birth Abortions are even the issue. Did I miss something?

 

[Wednesday]

I don't think that anyone has any right to tell others what to do. Only a woman who is considering abortion and may be her family can have say in it. Christian right should stay out of people's lives and stop trying to tell us what to do. You don't talk out of experience, you don't even talk out of compassion, trust me the last thing you are concerned about is woman's life and health. But the bunch of cells and tissues is so much more valuable then an actual human being. There is nothing moral in being "pro - life", because the same fundies are either pro - war or death penalty. Male fundies shouldn't say anything before you think this issue through, not from the *biblical* point of view. You will never be in this situation so how do you know that you are right. Don't you dare and call US hypocrites before you get a good look at the bigger picture. Don't you dare and try to control our lives.

 

[Patashu]

Whether it hurts you personally doesn't affect its morality. The genocide in Darfur probably doesn't hurt you in the least, but that doesn't mean that it's OK.

I'm strongly pro-choice, but I think there are much better arguments than "Don't like abortion? Don't get one."

Ah, but in the darfur genocide you have people killing other people against their will, so one could say 'that's wrong'.