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I agree with Clirus here. I think many of you have intentionally misrepresented her position to make her appear like a zealot.
This is why I asked everyone to reflect, and to pray for forgiveness.
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I agree with Clirus here. I think many of you have intentionally misrepresented her position to make her appear like a zealot.
This is why I asked everyone to reflect, and to pray for forgiveness.
Clirus, you state things that ARE NOT in the Bible. Listed below are two of your statements that are not supported by the Bible:
Quotes by Clirus
I believe the failure of a man to provide for his family should require execution of the man.
Enact Absolute Paternity legislation that would execute the father of a child that fails to make child care payments for an illegitimate child.
Zongerfield
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I agree with Clirus here. I think many of you have intentionally misrepresented her position to make her appear like a zealot.
This is why I asked everyone to reflect, and to pray for forgiveness.
Many of you need to read and reflect, read and reflect instead of read and react, read and react. And for the record, I do support a graduated scale of punitive measures for militant homosexuals, liberal wastrels, zealot environmentalists and everyone else that seeks to change the fabric of this great Christian Nation.
But...she does. The people she wants executed are only guilty of not living according her likes and dislikes. Until one or the other of you starts making the rules here in America it still is just cliris setting herself up as final authority over what's right or wrong for several million people.I believe I've already fulfilled your request, but I'll do so once more. When you first challenged me to show where you've misrepresented her position I pointed to the fact that you took her statements out of context. By doing so, you make her seem like a zealot. Clirus has clearly stated, many times, that their is a rebuking process that shall take place before more harsher forms of behavior modification are doled out. She was advocating a graduated scale of punitive measures. ]You make her sound like she wants to go around executing innocents. This is clearly not the case.
You really are adorable when you try and sound wise and fatherly!Many of you need to read and reflect, read and reflect instead of read and react, read and react.
oops! now it's you who gets to decide who's right and who's wrong?And for the record, I do support a graduated scale of punitive measures for militant homosexuals, liberal wastrels, zealot environmentalists and everyone else that seeks to change the fabric of this great Christian Nation.
I believe I've already fulfilled your request, but I'll do so once more. When you first challenged me to show where you've misrepresented her position I pointed to the fact that you took her statements out of context. By doing so, you make her seem like a zealot. Clirus has clearly stated, many times, that their is a rebuking process that shall take place before more harsher forms of behavior modification are doled out. She was advocating a graduated scale of punitive measures. You make her sound like she wants to go around executing innocents. This is clearly not the case.
So you're just as bigoted as Clirus is, fair enough.
Perhaps you need some remedial lessons on United States history, but the US was in no way founded upon the Christian faith. (That's a paraphrase from the Treaty of Tripoli).
Your homophobia, militant conservatism and theocratic ideals are the things that are ruining your (once) great nation.
So sad that it takes a Canadian to set an American straight on US History.
I had no idea how close Zongerfield's ideals were to Clirus...they're a match made in heaven.
I believe I've already fulfilled your request, but I'll do so once more. When you first challenged me to show where you've misrepresented her position I pointed to the fact that you took her statements out of context. By doing so, you make her seem like a zealot. Clirus has clearly stated, many times, that their is a rebuking process that shall take place before more harsher forms of behavior modification are doled out. She was advocating a graduated scale of punitive measures. You make her sound like she wants to go around executing innocents. This is clearly not the case.
Many of you need to read and reflect, read and reflect instead of read and react, read and react. And for the record, I do support a graduated scale of punitive measures for militant homosexuals, liberal wastrels, zealot environmentalists and everyone else that seeks to change the fabric of this great Christian Nation.
This does not matter. The leniency clirus may or may or not hold before initiating execution is secondary to the fact that she desires it at all. She desires, and is on record for supporting the execution of adulterers, homosexuals, fornicators and effectively all non-Christians:Zongerfeld said:I believe I've already fulfilled your request, but I'll do so once more. When you first challenged me to show where you've misrepresented her position I pointed to the fact that you took her statements out of context. By doing so, you make her seem like a zealot. Clirus has clearly stated, many times, that their is a rebuking process that shall take place before more harsher forms of behavior modification are doled out. She was advocating a graduated scale of punitive measures. You make her sound like she wants to go around executing innocents. This is clearly not the case.
How fair she is with getting that correct and how much time she spends analysing who is really a Christian or not is irrelevant here.clirus said:If rebuke and salvation fail to change the lifestyle of the Atheist/unbeliever, the Old Testament of the Bible is quite clear that Civil Law must exist that executes evil people that will not follow the established Civil Law. Evil people must be executed in order to preserve society. Civil Law must be consistent with God's Law in order to be good Civil Law as stated by Blackstone.
I imagine 90%+ of Turkey are Muslims, but it is still a constitutionally secular republic. The amount of people who purport adherence to Christianity simply does not matter. I'll let actual Americans defend their historical heritage. They'll do it better than me.Zongerfeld said:80% of this country identifies themselves as 'Christian'- we do indeed live in a Christian nation.
I want you to explain away clirus saying that all atheists/nonbelievers should be compelled to follow Biblical civil law.Additionally, I am not suggesting we execute disobedient children but I am suggesting we think seriously about the direction our country is headed. Thousands of unborn children are murdered each day and most of us stand by and watch with indifference. There's that old saying, The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing'
80% of this country identifies themselves as 'Christian'- we do indeed live in a Christian nation.
Our country was founded on Judeo-Christian values.
But for the most part our founding fathers were Religious and invoked God on a daily basis, to say that our country wasn't founded on Judeo-Christian values is intellectually dishonest and borderline absurd.I know many of you probably proudly read Hitchens and his ilk and they have a way of re-authoring history to show a secular genesis of this country but all of that is a lie or a misrepresentation of the facts.
Additionally, I am not suggesting we execute disobedient children but I am suggesting we think seriously about the direction our country is headed. Thousands of unborn children are murdered each day and most of us stand by and watch with indifference. There's that old saying, ‘The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing'
Read and reflect, and pray my friends. It will do you good. As for your ill will toward me, and your general antipathy toward me, I forgive you and I will continue to pray for you.
ZongerfieldZongerfield
Read and reflect, and pray my friends. It will do you good. As for your ill will toward me, and your general antipathy toward me, I forgive you and I will continue to pray for you.
Bless you all.
80% of this country identifies themselves as 'Christian'- we do indeed live in a Christian nation.
Additionally, I am not suggesting we execute disobedient children but I am suggesting we think seriously about the direction our country is headed. Thousands of unborn children are murdered each day and most of us stand by and watch with indifference.
There's that old saying, The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing'
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