I did somethin' bad again, perhaps unforgivable

[Seonta]

So my sister asked if I had been baptized in the Holy Spirit, or if I had the Holy Spirit or something like that she said, and I muttered, "I don't know." When I know that at one time I had been baptized in the spirit, Im totally sure of it. But now, I never feel saved or anything. Sometimes I don't even feel like I'd go to heaven if I died. Sometimes I think that im not spirit filled anymore, but who can blame God, after what I said. And the even more horrid thing is that I said that again at another time! The first time was because I was an idiot and probably embarassed, the second time was because I really didn't know if I still was baptized. Is this the unpardonable sin?
I must not be saved anymore because everytime I try to do something good it turns out so wrong. I tried to tell my friend about God and I really think she would have gotten saved if I hadn't messed up so bad. I mean, for goodness sake she asked me what all the sins are and I said they're obvious! How stupid can you get? And I my brother and his girlfriend were praying in the other room and I was letting my friend listen to a song with satanic subliminal messages on the computer (and I knew about the messages) and they could hear it from there! I feel like a tool of the devil, like everytime I talk, everytime I do anything Im somehow making someone sin. And I've never helped anybody, never properly witnessed. I never go through trials, never get horribly sick, never get persecauted. Ugghh, sorry for the rambling.

 

[12volt_man]

So my sister asked if I had been baptized in the Holy Spirit, or if I had the Holy Spirit or something like that she said, and I muttered, "I don't know." When I know that at one time I had, I never feel forgiven or saved so I don't know if I still am or was at that time. And the even more horrid thing is that I said that again at another time! The first time was because I was an idiot and probably embarassed, the second time was because I really didn't know if I still was baptized. Is this the unpardonable sin?

No.

Every believer receives the Holy Spirit when they accept Christ.

If you're saved, then you have the Holy Spirit.

There is a practice in the church today of making the "baptism in the Holy Spirit" a seperate event from salvation but that simply isn't what we see in scripture.

Very often, it's used as a way to make people feel guilty because they haven't received this "blessing", or to make them feel like they need to follow a certain leader to receive it.

But there's no use chasing after something you already have.

I must not be saved anymore because everytime I try to do something good it turns out so wrong. I tried to tell my friend about God and I really think she would have gotten saved if I hadn't messed up so bad.

It's not your job to save anyone so there's no reason for you to feel bad about "messing up". All of us "mess up", but the Holy Spirit will still move in spite of our mistakes.

And I my brother and his girlfriend were praying in the other room and I was letting my friend listen to a song with satanic subliminal messages on the computer (and I knew about the messages) and they could hear it from there! I feel like a tool of the devil, like everytime I talk, everytime I do anything Im somehow making someone sin. And I've never helped anybody, never properly witnessed. Ugghh, sorry for the rambling.

"Satanic subliminal messages" are something that was made up by anti-rock crusaders. There isn't any such thing.

 

[CrazyforYeshua]

12 volt is right, we receive the Spirit at salvation. If you are feeling that badly about your actions, I would say God is speaking to you. It is never too late to get right with God, again, if you feel convicted, and desire to do so.

 

[JamesBurrow]

As far as I know, nothing is unforgivable, especially not that. Everyone messes up and everyone goes through times of doubt.
Also, 12volt is right about the "subliminal messages"
People of generations before us despised rock and then went about finding a reason to make it a sin. And now, rock is used in worship!
Sure there is some music out there that is satanic. What song/band was it?

 

[DeleseRose]

Everyone's RIGHT. If you felt guilty about what you said and about your actions, GOD is speaking to you. He speaks to all that would listen. This is the gift of the Holy Spirit, that he speaks through our conscience and guides us in the right direction in our christian walk.

 

[ChaseinChrist]

Think Back to when Peter denied Christ before the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crew:
The bible says that after that he went away and wept bitterly. Webster's New American Dictionary defines bitterly as:

2. marked by intensity or severity

above means that the devil was attacking him strongly. The bible says that the devil is here to kill, steal, and destroy your life, it also says that he is the Father of all lies!

Now, does the bible say that Jesus never forgave him, and he went to hell after he died? No. It doesn't say anything like that. But Jesus knew that he was going to do it. And Jesus forgave him. The bible states that we should forgive 70x7, now don't you think that Jesus would live by his own words? God knows what we will do before we will do it. He also knows the plans he has for you. I believe that he will forgive you, as he already has. Don't let the devil get you down, your a child of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords! You are higher than him, the bible says to resist the devil and he shall flee! =)

 

[JamesBurrow]

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.....You are higher than him, the bible says to resist the devil and he shall flee! =)

Right! Even though the devil may have more power than we do, If we have Christ and prayer we can resist Satan and all of his traps!

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Now, on another note, if you feel all is nopt right between you and the Lord get into a quiet place (do you have a prayer closet?), read your bible, maybe play some worship music, and just sit there, just you and Him for a while. If you need to stay in this solitude overnight. Afterwards, I sugest you get together with a couple of your friends who you know are strong in the Lord. Talk with them, ask them to pray with you Now, I have trouble with verse numbers, but the Lord said that when two or more believers get together wonderful things will happen.
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[bakerdad32]

we all come short of the glory of god but we have a medeator with the father just ask for forgiveness he is good and just to fogive.there is a unforgivable sin but you have not done it or the lord would not be dilling with you. said no trials what do you think this is you may have stumbled but don't lay there get back in the race the lord is there to help you. don't look at god as just a devine god waiting to punish you but as a loveing father there to help his child we will pray for you

 

[bakerdad32]

Right! Even though the devil may have more power than we do, If we have Christ and prayer we can resist Satan and all of his traps!


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Now, on another note, if you feel all is nopt right between you and the Lord get into a quiet place (do you have a prayer closet?), read your bible, maybe play some worship music, and just sit there, just you and Him for a while. If you need to stay in this solitude overnight. Afterwards, I sugest you get together with a couple of your friends who you know are strong in the Lord. Talk with them, ask them to pray with you Now, I have trouble with verse numbers, but the Lord said that when two or more believers get together wonderful things will happen.

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satan does not have more power then we do scipture saides greater is that is in us then he that is in the world meaning satan

 

[tel0004]

You know what all this means, it means that you are an average 14 year old. When I was 14 I didnt even believe in God, when I was 20 I finally believe, but I was too busy with my life to put him first. You are extreemly young, and you have a long way to go, so dont worry so much, everything will be ok.

 

[lilmiah_101]

So my sister asked if I had been baptized in the Holy Spirit, or if I had the Holy Spirit or something like that she said, and I muttered, "I don't know." When I know that at one time I had been baptized in the spirit, Im totally sure of it. But now, I never feel saved or anything. Sometimes I don't even feel like I'd go to heaven if I died. Sometimes I think that im not spirit filled anymore, but who can blame God, after what I said. And the even more horrid thing is that I said that again at another time! The first time was because I was an idiot and probably embarassed, the second time was because I really didn't know if I still was baptized. Is this the unpardonable sin?
I must not be saved anymore because everytime I try to do something good it turns out so wrong. I tried to tell my friend about God and I really think she would have gotten saved if I hadn't messed up so bad. I mean, for goodness sake she asked me what all the sins are and I said they're obvious! How stupid can you get? And I my brother and his girlfriend were praying in the other room and I was letting my friend listen to a song with satanic subliminal messages on the computer (and I knew about the messages) and they could hear it from there! I feel like a tool of the devil, like everytime I talk, everytime I do anything Im somehow making someone sin. And I've never helped anybody, never properly witnessed. I never go through trials, never get horribly sick, never get persecauted. Ugghh, sorry for the rambling.

God Bless you Seonta,
Ok man some times your salvation will not be all about "feeling" saved, there are times when you may feel like your on top of a cloud and other times you may feel dead as a door knob. What counts is trusting the
"Word Of God".Thats why were saved my *FAITH*. Dude, god loves you so much it's beyond your understanding, he died for you. It may help alot if you read your bible everyday and take in christian things every day like, listening to christian music, watching a christian movie, tv shows, reading good clean christian books,magazines, and make sure you got to church all the time,spend time with god in prayer .Stay away from anything thats could drain you.The more you read your bible,go to church, and grow in christ so will your faith, and you will be able to believe alot more easy.

Also, don't worry, I don't think you committed the unpardonable sin. why? because if you did, I don't think you would feel very scared about committing it. If someone is worried about committing it, then that shows me that they most likely didn't committe it. So I ask you now, click this link below, because it helped me for when satan tried to tell me I committed the unpardonable sin.

Here it is http://www.centralcal.com/christ6.htm

anyone whos is struggling with this please check this site out.

 

[Sweeter06]

As far as I know, nothing is unforgivable, especially not that. Everyone messes up and everyone goes through times of doubt.
Also, 12volt is right about the "subliminal messages"
People of generations before us despised rock and then went about finding a reason to make it a sin. And now, rock is used in worship!
Sure there is some music out there that is satanic. What song/band was it?

You said nothing is unforgivable...That's not true...The unpardinable sin...Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is not forgivable.
Just wanted to point that out...Its in the Gospels,mmm, I believe in Mathew, about chapter 14-16, not sure which off the top of my head.

 

[KingZzub]

So my sister asked if I had been baptized in the Holy Spirit, or if I had the Holy Spirit or something like that she said, and I muttered, "I don't know." When I know that at one time I had been baptized in the spirit, Im totally sure of it. But now, I never feel saved or anything. Sometimes I don't even feel like I'd go to heaven if I died. Sometimes I think that im not spirit filled anymore, but who can blame God, after what I said. And the even more horrid thing is that I said that again at another time! The first time was because I was an idiot and probably embarassed, the second time was because I really didn't know if I still was baptized. Is this the unpardonable sin?
I must not be saved anymore because everytime I try to do something good it turns out so wrong. I tried to tell my friend about God and I really think she would have gotten saved if I hadn't messed up so bad. I mean, for goodness sake she asked me what all the sins are and I said they're obvious! How stupid can you get? And I my brother and his girlfriend were praying in the other room and I was letting my friend listen to a song with satanic subliminal messages on the computer (and I knew about the messages) and they could hear it from there! I feel like a tool of the devil, like everytime I talk, everytime I do anything Im somehow making someone sin. And I've never helped anybody, never properly witnessed. I never go through trials, never get horribly sick, never get persecauted. Ugghh, sorry for the rambling.

You have not done something unforgivable.

Jesus loves you and want the best for you.

Try telling Him what you have told us, and He will listen and He will answer.

Blessings,
|ZZ|

 

[KingZzub]

You said nothing is unforgivable...That's not true...The unpardinable sin...Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is not forgivable.
Just wanted to point that out...Its in the Gospels,mmm, I believe in Mathew, about chapter 14-16, not sure which off the top of my head.

The blashphemy of the Holy Spirit is the deliberate and wilful persistent rejection of Jesus as Lord.

Cheers,
|ZZ|

 

[onelamb]

12 Voltman-you stated the following in your above post??

Every believer receives the Holy Spirit when they accept Christ.
This statement is true

If you're saved, then you have the Holy Spirit.
This statement is true


There is a practice in the church today of making the "baptism in the Holy Spirit" a seperate event from salvation but that simply isn't what we see in scripture.
This statement is NOT true.

We are given several examples in scripture where people were saved and at a later time received the baptism in the Spirit...for example...
The Ephesians--"have you received the Spirit SINCE you believed" Acts 19:2
The Samaratians-They were saved-Acts 8:14, Baptised in water-Acts 8-12-but didn't receive the baptism in the Spirit until Acts 8-18
And the disciples themselves-SAVED-received the indwelling Spirit-in John 20:22-yet still were told to wait for the Promise of the Father-which was and IS the baptism in the Spirit-Acts 2:4.

 

[Buckaroo]

So my sister asked if I had been baptized in the Holy Spirit, or if I had the Holy Spirit or something like that she said, and I muttered, "I don't know." When I know that at one time I had been baptized in the spirit, Im totally sure of it. But now, I never feel saved or anything. Sometimes I don't even feel like I'd go to heaven if I died. Sometimes I think that im not spirit filled anymore, but who can blame God, after what I said. And the even more horrid thing is that I said that again at another time! The first time was because I was an idiot and probably embarassed, the second time was because I really didn't know if I still was baptized. Is this the unpardonable sin?
I must not be saved anymore because everytime I try to do something good it turns out so wrong. I tried to tell my friend about God and I really think she would have gotten saved if I hadn't messed up so bad. I mean, for goodness sake she asked me what all the sins are and I said they're obvious! How stupid can you get? And I my brother and his girlfriend were praying in the other room and I was letting my friend listen to a song with satanic subliminal messages on the computer (and I knew about the messages) and they could hear it from there! I feel like a tool of the devil, like everytime I talk, everytime I do anything Im somehow making someone sin. And I've never helped anybody, never properly witnessed. I never go through trials, never get horribly sick, never get persecauted. Ugghh, sorry for the rambling.

I can put u at ease and assure you that all christians go through these things and question things. The only thing I can absolutely assure you is, that if you were saved and born again there is nothing or no one that can make you lose your salvation . Salvation is eternal and will not be taken from you for any sin or doubt and no matter if you never speak in tongues you will go to paradise. There is one way to lose slavation and only one and that is to give up the faith and no one that has being born again could do that unless they were crazy!! Blackslide yes, but not give up the faith!

 

[God_Owned]

Agreed!

 

[KingZzub]

I can put u at ease and assure you that all christians go through these things and question things. The only thing I can absolutely assure you is, that if you were saved and born again there is nothing or no one that can make you lose your salvation . Salvation is eternal and will not be taken from you for any sin or doubt and no matter if you never speak in tongues you will go to paradise. There is one way to lose slavation and only one and that is to give up the faith and no one that has being born again could do that unless they were crazy!! Blackslide yes, but not give up the faith!

There are a few crazies in the world that have wilfully rejected their salvation.

But anyone who posts on a group concerned about their salvation and their right standing with God is not one of them.

Blessings,
|ZZ|

 

[Buckaroo]

There are a few crazies in the world that have wilfully rejected their salvation.

But anyone who posts on a group concerned about their salvation and their right standing with God is not one of them.

Blessings,
|ZZ|

I suppose some have rejected the faith, but it is a gradual process and not because of one sin or doubt. I have never seen a true born again Christian give up the faith, but I have seen many including myself backslide.

 

[KingZzub]

I suppose some have rejected the faith, but it is a gradual process and not because of one sin or doubt. I have never seen a true born again Christian give up the faith, but I have seen many including myself backslide.

According to Hebrews 6.3-4 it is possible under times of extreme persecution. But the only people who have the right are mature Christians.

It doesn't happen frequently, but it does happen. Yongii Cho talks about two people in his church that it happened to.

Sin is deceitful, and if you harden your heart, the process will eventually end in wilful rejection of Christ.

Cheers.
|ZZ|