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----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Strong's Hebrew: 6213. עָשָׂה (asah) -- accomplish
Genesis 1:7
HEB: וַיַּ֣עַשׂ אֱלֹהִים֮ אֶת־
NAS: God made the expanse, and separated
KJV: And God made the firmament,
INT: made God the expanse
Genesis 1:11
HEB: עֵ֣ץ פְּרִ֞י עֹ֤שֶׂה פְּרִי֙ לְמִינ֔וֹ
NAS: on the earth bearing fruit
KJV: tree yielding fruit
INT: trees fruit bearing fruit their kind
Genesis 1:12
HEB: לְמִינֵ֔הוּ וְעֵ֧ץ עֹֽשֶׂה־ פְּרִ֛י אֲשֶׁ֥ר
NAS: and trees bearing fruit
KJV: and the tree yielding fruit,
INT: their kind and trees bearing fruit with
Genesis 1:16
HEB: וַיַּ֣עַשׂ אֱלֹהִ֔ים אֶת־
NAS: God made the two great
KJV: and it was so.And God made two great
INT: made God the two
Genesis 1:25
HEB: וַיַּ֣עַשׂ אֱלֹהִים֩ אֶת־
NAS: God made the beasts of the earth
KJV: And God made the beast
INT: made God the beast
Genesis 1:26
HEB: וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ
NAS: said, Let Us make man
KJV: said, Let us make man
INT: said God make man our image
Genesis 1:31
HEB: כָּל־ אֲשֶׁ֣ר עָשָׂ֔ה וְהִנֵּה־ ט֖וֹב
NAS: all that He had made, and behold,
KJV: every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very
INT: all that had made and behold good
Genesis 2:2
HEB: מְלַאכְתּ֖וֹ אֲשֶׁ֣ר עָשָׂ֑ה וַיִּשְׁבֹּת֙ בַּיּ֣וֹם
NAS: which He had done, and He rested
KJV: his work which he had made; and he rested
INT: his work which had done rested day
Genesis 2:2
HEB: מְלַאכְתּ֖וֹ אֲשֶׁ֥ר עָשָֽׂה׃
NAS: His work which He had done.
KJV: from all his work which he had made.
INT: his work which had done
Genesis 2:3
HEB: בָּרָ֥א אֱלֹהִ֖ים לַעֲשֽׂוֹת׃ פ
NAS: God had created and made.
KJV: which God created and made.
INT: had created God and made
Genesis 2:4
HEB: בְּהִבָּֽרְאָ֑ם בְּי֗וֹם עֲשׂ֛וֹת יְהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהִ֖ים
NAS: God made earth
KJV: God made the earth
INT: were created the day made the LORD God
Genesis 2:18
HEB: הָֽאָדָ֖ם לְבַדּ֑וֹ אֶֽעֱשֶׂהּ־ לּ֥וֹ עֵ֖זֶר
NAS: to be alone; I will make him a helper
KJV: should be alone; I will make him an help meet
INT: the man to be alone will make A helper suitable
Genesis 3:1
HEB: הַשָּׂדֶ֔ה אֲשֶׁ֥ר עָשָׂ֖ה יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹהִ֑ים
NAS: God had made. And he said
KJV: God had made. And he said
INT: of the field which had made the LORD God
Genesis 3:7
HEB: עֲלֵ֣ה תְאֵנָ֔ה וַיַּעֲשׂ֥וּ לָהֶ֖ם חֲגֹרֹֽת׃
NAS: together and made themselves
KJV: together, and made themselves aprons.
INT: leaves fig and made loin
Genesis 3:13
HEB: מַה־ זֹּ֣את עָשִׂ֑ית וַתֹּ֙אמֶר֙ הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה
NAS: is this you have done? And the woman
KJV: unto the woman, What [is] this [that] thou hast done? And the woman
INT: What hast done said to the woman
Genesis 6:15
HEB: וְזֶ֕ה אֲשֶׁ֥ר תַּֽעֲשֶׂ֖ה אֹתָ֑הּ שְׁלֹ֧שׁ
NAS: is how you shall make it: the length
KJV: And this [is the fashion] which thou shalt make it [of]: The length
INT: This is how shall make three hundred
Genesis 6:16
HEB: צֹ֣הַר ׀ תַּעֲשֶׂ֣ה לַתֵּבָ֗ה וְאֶל־
NAS: You shall make a window for the ark,
KJV: A window shalt thou make to the ark,
INT: A window shall make the ark to
The evolutionary tale is fabricated to remove God from the picture.
Even in the "theory" of evolution, they totally skip the whole part of where life came from. They ignore this simple and necessary step. Ask them. Where did the first cell get "life". They will tell you that that is not in the theory. They just come in when it's already alive, can replicate, and through some miracle has DNA ( a blue print with enough information to fill volumes of text books. Made up of strands of complex combinations of Proteins. Proteins which are on and of their own, also, complex chemical structures necessary for the building of any living thing. )
Even a single cell simple being has extremely complex DNA and RNA. It would have cytoplasm, mitochondria, ribosomes, a cell membrane that is smart enough to allow things that are good in and waste out. In itself, this single cell being would be a mathematically impossible structure to have formed spontaneously. Darwin had no idea of the complexity of each and every cell, on its own, let alone the immense amount of information stored in DNA and the complexity of DNA.
But... jump over that and dive right in to what happened after this totally impossible event took place.
It's not irrelevant as it shows where sin came from and what it caused -death.
If sin caused death then death was not simply a by product of life going on for millions of years of evolution either. It shows death as a foreigner, an enemy that came in due to sin.
It is also reaffirmed by scripture that it was one man that caused it not all of mankind.
Romans 5:12 ►Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
So is death just a normal by product of life or is it the direct result of sin? This is an important distinction.
And don't say it simply means spiritual death, Adam and Eve were told they would literally die as well.
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
This happened because he listen to his wife and was disobedient to God.
Hello everyone,
I'm assuming that this is the correct subforum in which to post this topic, but if not, forgive me. Basically, I've grown up in a home that believes in 100% biblical inerrancy and that's what I've believed, but recently I've been having a lot of doubts about creationism in particular. There are a few articles and websites that I have read that seem to completely and almost convincingly refute the idea of creationism. I'll link them below.
Ken Ham's 10 facts that prove creationism - Debunked
Evidence against a recent creation - RationalWiki
An Index to Creationist Claims
Falsifiability of creationism - RationalWiki
How am I, as a Christian, supposed to keep my belief in biblical inerrancy when there are all of these rebuttals that seemingly debunk creationism? Why can't creationists come up with good rebuttals to evolutionists' claims and rebuttals? If the creation story and the fall of man aren't true then is there no original sin by Adam? If there wasn't then why did God even have to send Christ to die for us, or did He? Was there even divine intervention in the universe's creation or formation? Is my faith just weak? I don't mean to cause controversy, I just really need some answers. I'm so tired of doubting my whole life. If these can't be answered, I'm afraid I may start to slip away to agnosticism. So, if anyone has answers, please share them.
Thank you!
Sorry. Can you show me where it says that "nothing was made instantly"?Strong's Hebrew: 6213. עָשָׂה (asah) -- accomplish
Genesis 1:7
HEB: וַיַּ֣עַשׂ אֱלֹהִים֮ אֶת־
NAS: God made the expanse, and separated
KJV: And God made the firmament,
INT: made God the expanse
Genesis 1:11
HEB: עֵ֣ץ פְּרִ֞י עֹ֤שֶׂה פְּרִי֙ לְמִינ֔וֹ
NAS: on the earth bearing fruit
KJV: tree yielding fruit
INT: trees fruit bearing fruit their kind
Genesis 1:12
HEB: לְמִינֵ֔הוּ וְעֵ֧ץ עֹֽשֶׂה־ פְּרִ֛י אֲשֶׁ֥ר
NAS: and trees bearing fruit
KJV: and the tree yielding fruit,
INT: their kind and trees bearing fruit with
Genesis 1:16
HEB: וַיַּ֣עַשׂ אֱלֹהִ֔ים אֶת־
NAS: God made the two great
KJV: and it was so.And God made two great
INT: made God the two
Genesis 1:25
HEB: וַיַּ֣עַשׂ אֱלֹהִים֩ אֶת־
NAS: God made the beasts of the earth
KJV: And God made the beast
INT: made God the beast
Genesis 1:26
HEB: וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ
NAS: said, Let Us make man
KJV: said, Let us make man
INT: said God make man our image
Genesis 1:31
HEB: כָּל־ אֲשֶׁ֣ר עָשָׂ֔ה וְהִנֵּה־ ט֖וֹב
NAS: all that He had made, and behold,
KJV: every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very
INT: all that had made and behold good
Genesis 2:2
HEB: מְלַאכְתּ֖וֹ אֲשֶׁ֣ר עָשָׂ֑ה וַיִּשְׁבֹּת֙ בַּיּ֣וֹם
NAS: which He had done, and He rested
KJV: his work which he had made; and he rested
INT: his work which had done rested day
Genesis 2:2
HEB: מְלַאכְתּ֖וֹ אֲשֶׁ֥ר עָשָֽׂה׃
NAS: His work which He had done.
KJV: from all his work which he had made.
INT: his work which had done
Genesis 2:3
HEB: בָּרָ֥א אֱלֹהִ֖ים לַעֲשֽׂוֹת׃ פ
NAS: God had created and made.
KJV: which God created and made.
INT: had created God and made
Genesis 2:4
HEB: בְּהִבָּֽרְאָ֑ם בְּי֗וֹם עֲשׂ֛וֹת יְהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהִ֖ים
NAS: God made earth
KJV: God made the earth
INT: were created the day made the LORD God
Genesis 2:18
HEB: הָֽאָדָ֖ם לְבַדּ֑וֹ אֶֽעֱשֶׂהּ־ לּ֥וֹ עֵ֖זֶר
NAS: to be alone; I will make him a helper
KJV: should be alone; I will make him an help meet
INT: the man to be alone will make A helper suitable
Genesis 3:1
HEB: הַשָּׂדֶ֔ה אֲשֶׁ֥ר עָשָׂ֖ה יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹהִ֑ים
NAS: God had made. And he said
KJV: God had made. And he said
INT: of the field which had made the LORD God
Genesis 3:7
HEB: עֲלֵ֣ה תְאֵנָ֔ה וַיַּעֲשׂ֥וּ לָהֶ֖ם חֲגֹרֹֽת׃
NAS: together and made themselves
KJV: together, and made themselves aprons.
INT: leaves fig and made loin
Genesis 3:13
HEB: מַה־ זֹּ֣את עָשִׂ֑ית וַתֹּ֙אמֶר֙ הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה
NAS: is this you have done? And the woman
KJV: unto the woman, What [is] this [that] thou hast done? And the woman
INT: What hast done said to the woman
Genesis 3:14
HEB: הַנָּחָשׁ֮ כִּ֣י עָשִׂ֣יתָ זֹּאת֒ אָר֤וּר
NAS: Because you have done this,
KJV: Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed
INT: the serpent Because have done likewise Cursed
Genesis 3:21
HEB: וַיַּעַשׂ֩ יְהוָ֨ה אֱלֹהִ֜ים
NAS: The LORD God made garments of skin
KJV: did the LORD God make coats of skins,
INT: made the LORD God
Genesis 4:10
HEB: וַיֹּ֖אמֶר מֶ֣ה עָשִׂ֑יתָ ק֚וֹל דְּמֵ֣י
NAS: What have you done? The voice
KJV: What hast thou done? the voice
INT: said What done the voice blood
Genesis 5:1
HEB: בִּדְמ֥וּת אֱלֹהִ֖ים עָשָׂ֥ה אֹתֽוֹ׃
NAS: man, He made him in the likeness
KJV: in the likeness of God made he him;
INT: the likeness of God made
Genesis 6:6
HEB: יְהוָ֔ה כִּֽי־ עָשָׂ֥ה אֶת־ הָֽאָדָ֖ם
NAS: was sorry that He had made man
KJV: the LORD that he had made man
INT: the LORD for had made man the earth
Genesis 6:7
HEB: נִחַ֖מְתִּי כִּ֥י עֲשִׂיתִֽם׃
NAS: for I am sorry that I have made them.
KJV: for it repenteth me that I have made them.
INT: I am for have made
Genesis 6:14
HEB: עֲשֵׂ֤ה לְךָ֙ תֵּבַ֣ת
NAS: Make for yourself an ark of gopher
KJV: Make thee an ark of gopher
INT: Make an ark wood
Genesis 6:14
HEB: גֹ֔פֶר קִנִּ֖ים תַּֽעֲשֶׂ֣ה אֶת־ הַתֵּבָ֑ה
NAS: wood; you shall make the ark
KJV: rooms shalt thou make in
INT: of gopher rooms shall make in the ark
Genesis 6:15
HEB: וְזֶ֕ה אֲשֶׁ֥ר תַּֽעֲשֶׂ֖ה אֹתָ֑הּ שְׁלֹ֧שׁ
NAS: is how you shall make it: the length
KJV: And this [is the fashion] which thou shalt make it [of]: The length
INT: This is how shall make three hundred
Genesis 6:16
HEB: צֹ֣הַר ׀ תַּעֲשֶׂ֣ה לַתֵּבָ֗ה וְאֶל־
NAS: You shall make a window for the ark,
KJV: A window shalt thou make to the ark,
INT: A window shall make the ark to
I have argued many times with "theistic" evolutionists and other atheist folk.This post assumes that the first eleven chapters of Genesis are an accurate account of historic events—an assumption that has been proven incorrect! However, a few notes on Romans 5:12-14 are in order.
5:12. Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death came through sin, and so death spread to all because all have sinned—
13. sin was indeed in the world before the law, but sin is not reckoned when there is no law.
14. Yet death exercised dominion from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sins were not like the transgression of Adam, who is a type of the one who was to come. (NRSV)
Having written in chapter three that we have all sinned, Paul here deals with the handful of Jews, who like him, were blameless under the law,
Philippians 3:4. even though I, too, have reason for confidence in the flesh.
If anyone else has reason to be confident in the flesh, I have more:
5. circumcised on the eighth day, a member of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee;
6. as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless.
To these Jews, Paul argues from Genesis that they sinned in Adam—the proof being that “death exercised dominion from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sins were not like the transgression of Adam” even though “sin is not reckoned when there is no law.” However, Paul’s use of Genesis in his argument does in no way prove that the first eleven chapters of Genesis are an accurate account of historic events. Paul, according to his own testimony, was “circumcised on the eighth day, a member of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee. Therefore, he would have mistakenly believed Gen. 1:6-9,
6. And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
8. God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day. NRSV)
6. Then God said, “Let there be a dome in the middle of the waters, to separate one body of water from the other.” And so it happened:
7. God made the dome, and it separated the water above the dome from the water below it.
8. God called the dome “the sky.” Evening came, and morning followed-the second day.(NAB)
6 God said, “Let there be a dome in the middle of the waters to separate the waters from each other.” 7 God made the dome and separated the waters under the dome from the waters above the dome. And it happened in that way. 8 God named the dome Sky.
There was evening and there was morning: the second day. (CEB)
6. dixit quoque Deus fiat firmamentum in medio aquarum et dividat aquas ab aquis
7. et fecit Deus firmamentum divisitque aquas quae erant sub firmamento ab his quae erant super firmamentum et factum est ita
8. vocavitque Deus firmamentum caelum et factum est vespere et mane dies secundus
(Latin Vulgagte)
6 And God seide, The firmament be maad in the myddis of watris, and departe watrisfro watris.
7And God made the firmament, and departide the watristhat weren vndurthe firmament fro these watris that weren on the firmament; and it was don so.
8 And God clepide the firmament, heuene. And the euentid and morwetid was maad, the secounde dai. (Wycliffe Bible)
Gen. 1:6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. (KJV)
This word firmament comes to us from the Latin word firmamentum which literally express the concept “that which strengthens or supports”. In Genesis 1:6-8, the word expresses the concept of the strong, solid dome that supported the water above the dome. Few people today correctly understand the word firmament as it is used in the KJV, but mistakenly believe that it means the “atmosphere.”
The ancient Hebrew people believed that the earth was flat and covered with a solid dome with windows or floodgates in it through which the celestial floodwaters fell. (Gen. 7:11), and that incorrect cultural belief appears in the story of Noah’s Ark.
Hello everyone,
I'm assuming that this is the correct subforum in which to post this topic, but if not, forgive me. Basically, I've grown up in a home that believes in 100% biblical inerrancy and that's what I've believed, but recently I've been having a lot of doubts about creationism in particular. There are a few articles and websites that I have read that seem to completely and almost convincingly refute the idea of creationism. I'll link them below.
Ken Ham's 10 facts that prove creationism - Debunked
Evidence against a recent creation - RationalWiki
An Index to Creationist Claims
Falsifiability of creationism - RationalWiki
How am I, as a Christian, supposed to keep my belief in biblical inerrancy when there are all of these rebuttals that seemingly debunk creationism? Why can't creationists come up with good rebuttals to evolutionists' claims and rebuttals? If the creation story and the fall of man aren't true then is there no original sin by Adam? If there wasn't then why did God even have to send Christ to die for us, or did He? Was there even divine intervention in the universe's creation or formation? Is my faith just weak? I don't mean to cause controversy, I just really need some answers. I'm so tired of doubting my whole life. If these can't be answered, I'm afraid I may start to slip away to agnosticism. So, if anyone has answers, please share them.
Thank you!
Sorry. Can you show me where it says that "nothing was made instantly"?
Sorry. Can you show me where it says that "nothing was made instantly"?
All I come up with is:
And God said, and there was.
Seems like there was a lot made in that six day period. All by God "saying" followed by "and it was".
Sure, the ark took 100 years and Abraham's life was long before Issac came along.
However, to state that the bible says that "nothing was made instantly"..... Hard thing to find scripture that states that.
It amazed me, at one time, that people accept that Christ walked on water, turned water to very very good wine in a millisecond, healed a young girl from miles away, gave sight to blind men, healed a man who could not walk, a woman was healed by touching the frills of his robe, put a soldiers ear back on, died and rose again, floated up to heaven in plain sight.... All of which are scientifically impossible and super natural.I like to ask you, if evolution is true, what is it in that that would lead you towards agnosticism? I mean there a plenty of genuine Christians believing in evolution.
Is it that you take every story in the Bible to be 100% historically and literally accurate? And if one thing is not literally correct, everything has to be put to question? Myself for an example am quite confident with seeing the purpose of the story of creation, rather than it has to be historically correct in each detail.
The fall of man absolutely happened. If the story of Adam and Eve has a more spiritual meaning than literal, then it's still true, isn't it?
This post assumes that the first eleven chapters of Genesis are an accurate account of historic events
Who by? By mankind? Mankind declares that God's word is incorrect so it must be?—an assumption that has been proven incorrect! However, a few notes on Romans 5:12-14 are in order.
5:12. Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death came through sin, and so death spread to all because all have sinned—
13. sin was indeed in the world before the law, but sin is not reckoned when there is no law.
14. Yet death exercised dominion from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sins were not like the transgression of Adam, who is a type of the one who was to come. (NRSV)
Having written in chapter three that we have all sinned, Paul here deals with the handful of Jews, who like him, were blameless under the law,
Philippians 3:4. even though I, too, have reason for confidence in the flesh.
If anyone else has reason to be confident in the flesh, I have more:
5. circumcised on the eighth day, a member of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee;
6. as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless.
To these Jews, Paul argues from Genesis that they sinned in Adam—the proof being that “death exercised dominion from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sins were not like the transgression of Adam” even though “sin is not reckoned when there is no law.” However, Paul’s use of Genesis in his argument does in no way prove that the first eleven chapters of Genesis are an accurate account of historic events. Paul, according to his own testimony, was “circumcised on the eighth day, a member of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee. Therefore, he would have mistakenly believed Gen. 1:6-9,
6. And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
8. God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day. NRSV)
6. Then God said, “Let there be a dome in the middle of the waters, to separate one body of water from the other.” And so it happened:
7. God made the dome, and it separated the water above the dome from the water below it.
8. God called the dome “the sky.” Evening came, and morning followed-the second day.(NAB)
6 God said, “Let there be a dome in the middle of the waters to separate the waters from each other.” 7 God made the dome and separated the waters under the dome from the waters above the dome. And it happened in that way. 8 God named the dome Sky.
There was evening and there was morning: the second day. (CEB)
6. dixit quoque Deus fiat firmamentum in medio aquarum et dividat aquas ab aquis
7. et fecit Deus firmamentum divisitque aquas quae erant sub firmamento ab his quae erant super firmamentum et factum est ita
8. vocavitque Deus firmamentum caelum et factum est vespere et mane dies secundus
(Latin Vulgagte)
6 And God seide, The firmament be maad in the myddis of watris, and departe watrisfro watris.
7And God made the firmament, and departide the watristhat weren vndurthe firmament fro these watris that weren on the firmament; and it was don so.
8 And God clepide the firmament, heuene. And the euentid and morwetid was maad, the secounde dai. (Wycliffe Bible)
Gen. 1:6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. (KJV)
This word firmament comes to us from the Latin word firmamentum which literally express the concept “that which strengthens or supports”. In Genesis 1:6-8, the word expresses the concept of the strong, solid dome that supported the water above the dome. Few people today correctly understand the word firmament as it is used in the KJV, but mistakenly believe that it means the “atmosphere.”
The ancient Hebrew people believed that the earth was flat and covered with a solid dome with windows or floodgates in it through which the celestial floodwaters fell. (Gen. 7:11), and that incorrect cultural belief appears in the story of Noah’s Ark.
The created world is proof of Creationism.Hello everyone,
I'm assuming that this is the correct subforum in which to post this topic, but if not, forgive me. Basically, I've grown up in a home that believes in 100% biblical inerrancy and that's what I've believed, but recently I've been having a lot of doubts about creationism in particular. There are a few articles and websites that I have read that seem to completely and almost convincingly refute the idea of creationism. I'll link them below.
Ken Ham's 10 facts that prove creationism - Debunked
Evidence against a recent creation - RationalWiki
An Index to Creationist Claims
Falsifiability of creationism - RationalWiki
How am I, as a Christian, supposed to keep my belief in biblical inerrancy when there are all of these rebuttals that seemingly debunk creationism? Why can't creationists come up with good rebuttals to evolutionists' claims and rebuttals? If the creation story and the fall of man aren't true then is there no original sin by Adam? If there wasn't then why did God even have to send Christ to die for us, or did He? Was there even divine intervention in the universe's creation or formation? Is my faith just weak? I don't mean to cause controversy, I just really need some answers. I'm so tired of doubting my whole life. If these can't be answered, I'm afraid I may start to slip away to agnosticism. So, if anyone has answers, please share them.
Thank you!
Sorry. Can you show me where it says that "nothing was made instantly"?
It amazed me, at one time, that people accept that Christ walked on water, turned water to very very good wine in a millisecond, healed a young girl from miles away, gave sight to blind men, healed a man who could not walk, a woman was healed by touching the frills of his robe, put a soldiers ear back on, died and rose again, floated up to heaven in plain sight.... All of which are scientifically impossible and super natural.
Yet, they will deny the fact that this same Jesus spoke the universe into existence in six days.
The intelligent design movement is flagrantly dishonest in its attempts to sneak, through the back door, religion into science. Moreover, rather than employing scientific analysis, it employs religious analysis and therefore comes to non-scientific conclusions regarding alleged intelligent design vs. evolution. Furthermore, it is obsessed with the theory of evolution to the point that it virtually ignores the Bible! Indeed, it totally ignores the application of critical analysis to understand and interpret the Bible. Therefore, it ignores textual variants in the ancient manuscripts, it ignores the study of the sources of the information in the Bible, it ignores the study of the composition of the Bible, it ignores the genres of literature in which the Bible is written, it ignores conflicting information regarding family relationships among the characters in the Bible, and it ignores conflicting information regarding quantities and amounts of people and materials specified in the Bible—and it ignores what the Bible actually says and substitutes what it wishes the Bible did say.I would encourage anyone (Including believers) to go check this site out. They have tons of scientific analysis that point to intelligent design. I find it truly fascinating:
http://reasons.org/
It amazed me, at one time, that people accept that Christ walked on water, turned water to very very good wine in a millisecond, healed a young girl from miles away, gave sight to blind men, healed a man who could not walk, a woman was healed by touching the frills of his robe, put a soldiers ear back on, died and rose again, floated up to heaven in plain sight.... All of which are scientifically impossible and super natural.
Yet, they will deny the fact that this same Jesus spoke the universe into existence in six days.
Until.....
Until I realized that these people MUST believe in the numerous miracles that were done by Christ, most importantly His death and resurrection... Because.... the eternal existence of their mortal soul depends on them. If that was not necessary, these same folks would deny these supernatural events as well.
Do I believe that you are not saved if you don't believe the six days of creation? Absolutely not.. I just think that you are caught up in the "wisdom of man". However, God will make these who propose to be wise... out to be fools.
I had a friend and mentor, now passed away. He was very sin conscious when he was first saved. He confessed his sins often, including those he'd already confessed. He had a vision one morning. God showed him the book of the record of his life. As God turned the pages, there were many blank areas. When my friend asked what it meant, God told him that his sins had been erased. I would not be too sure that there are no books in heaven.A story doesn't have to be a specific literal event.
It can be a generalized true event.
Like if we say a person is saved, we don't link that to our vision of
Jesus erasing our name in one book and writing it in another physical book.
It amazed me, at one time, that people accept that Christ walked on water, turned water to very very good wine in a millisecond, healed a young girl from miles away, gave sight to blind men, healed a man who could not walk, a woman was healed by touching the frills of his robe, put a soldiers ear back on, died and rose again, floated up to heaven in plain sight.... All of which are scientifically impossible and super natural.
Yet, they will deny the fact that this same Jesus spoke the universe into existence in six days.
Until.....
Until I realized that these people MUST believe in the numerous miracles that were done by Christ, most importantly His death and resurrection... Because.... the eternal existence of their mortal soul depends on them. If that was not necessary, these same folks would deny these supernatural events as well.
IMO the bible is to be taken exactly as it is written. All of it is true. Creation, the flood of the entire earth, the burning bush, giants, the plagues of Egypt, the moon and sun standing still, the talking donkey, the floating axe head, the chariot of fire for Elijah, the crossing of the red sea, the three men in the fiery furnace, Daniel in the lions den, the life of Christ and the events that took place after His death.
There are things like "I am the door". Christ is the lamb. And others that are common sense to the reader given the context.
Do I believe that you are not saved if you don't believe the six days of creation? Absolutely not.. I just think that you are caught up in the "wisdom of man". However, God will make these who propose to be wise... out to be fools.
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