Originally Posted by
Kal Perry
ITS ME, I am sure you are a really devoted Christian I]ll bet, but I do not understand your comments, please explain what you mean when you wrote this:
The only ones that go to heaven are the only ones that get immortality. Jesus didn't even get that until he died for mankind. The angels don't have that either.
The Greek word a‧tha‧na‧si′a is formed by the negative prefix a followed by a form of the word for “death” (tha′na‧tos). Thus, the basic meaning is “deathlessness,” and refers to the quality of life that is enjoyed,
its endlessness and indestructibility. (1Co 15:53, 54, ftn; 1Ti 6:16, ftn) The Greek word a‧phthar‧si′a, meaning “incorruption,” refers to that which cannot decay or be corrupted, that which is imperishable.—Ro 2:7; 1Co 15:42, 50, 53; Eph 6:24; 2Ti 1:10.
1 Timothy 6:13 In the sight of God, who preserves all things alive,
and of Christ Jesus, who
as a witness made the fine public declaration before Pontius Pilate, I give you orders 14 that you observe the commandment in a
spotless and irreprehensible way until the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 This [manifestation] the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times, [he] the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, 16 the
one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see. To him be honor and might everlasting. Amen.
Revelation 1: 17 And when I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet.
And he laid his right hand upon me and said: “Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one; and
I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Ha′des. 19 Therefore write down the things you saw, and the things that are and the things that will take place after these. 20
As for the sacred secret of the seven stars that you saw upon my right hand, and [of] the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars mean [the] angels of the seven congregations, and the seven lampstands mean seven congregations.
Jesus was actually dead, but Jehovah resurrected him, but now he has the keys to death . in other words he can die no more. This is part of the sacred secret, that Daniel spoke of. This when he is in heaven.
1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the temporary residents scattered about in Pon′tus, Ga‧la′ti‧a, Cap‧pa‧do′ci‧a, Asia, and Bi‧thyn′i‧a,
to the ones chosen 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, with sanctification by the spirit, for the purpose of their being obedient and sprinkled with the blood of Jesus Christ:
May undeserved kindness and peace be increased to YOU.
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Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy
he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for YOU,
So the Father of Jesus gave Jesus immortality and the ones that were
chosen they also receive immortality.
1 Corinthians 15:50 However, this I say, brothers, that
flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom,
neither does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Look! I tell YOU
a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead
will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to
life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the
first resurrection. 6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the
first resurrection; over
these the second death has no authority, but they will be
priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.
This talking about the chosen ones that will be resurrected when they die, and are given immortality. These are the ones that are going to rule the earth and mankind with Jesus, in the heavens.
Revelation 20:. 10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulphur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet [already were]; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne and the one seated on it. From before him the earth and the heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Ha′des gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. 14 And death and Ha′des were hurled into the lake of fire. This
means the second death, the lake of fire. 15 Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was
hurled into the lake of fire.
The second death means no ressurrection.
Revelation13:14 And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a
hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound out of heaven as the sound of many waters and as the sound of loud thunder; and the sound that I heard was as of singers who accompany themselves on the harp playing on their harps. 3 And they are singing as if a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and
no one was able to master that song but the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been bought from the earth. 4 These are the ones that did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb,
So the heavenly ones that were chosen are the 144,000. Now Jesus was the first one to be resurrected to heaven, so the ones are ones that died after Jesus did, until now ( our time).
That number is all that go to heaven.
Revelation 7 After this I saw four angels standing upon the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow upon the earth or upon the sea or upon any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrising, having a seal of [the] living God; and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying: “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.”
4 And I
heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel:
5 Out of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand sealed;
out of the tribe of Reu′ben twelve thousand;
out of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand;
6 out of the tribe of Ash′er twelve thousand;
out of the tribe of Naph′ta‧li twelve thousand;
out of the tribe of Ma‧nas′seh twelve thousand;
7 out of the tribe of Sim′e‧on twelve thousand;
out of the tribe of Le′vi twelve thousand;
out of the tribe of Is′sa‧char twelve thousand;
8 out of the tribe of Zeb′u‧lun twelve thousand;
out of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand;
out of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand sealed.
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After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which
no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb
It is this great crowd the are the ones that live through Armageddon.
Psalms 37:11 But the
meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
Psalms 115:16 As regards the heavens, to Jehovah the heavens belong,
But the earth he has given to the sons of men.
Isaiah 45: 18 For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it,
who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
Matt. 6:10: “Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also
upon earth.”
Ps. 37:29: “The
righteous themselves will possess the earth, and
they will reside forever upon it.”
So there are two group the chosen ones and the earthly ones. The chosen that go to heaven to rule, are a limited number 144,000. The earthly ones are all the ones that survive Armageddon.
