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I Affirm the Symbol of Orthodoxy

Discussion in 'Traditional Theology' started by PaladinValer, Jan 14, 2015.

  1. PaladinValer

    PaladinValer Traditional Orthodox Anglican

    I'm glad to see this thread is still going! Keep it going! :)
  2. Kaonashi

    Kaonashi If God is thy father, man is thy brother.

  3. ImaginaryDay

    ImaginaryDay We Live Here

  4. Anhelyna

    Anhelyna Handmaid of God Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

    Eastern Orthodox
    It's in my siggie :)
  5. AlexLL

    AlexLL Junior Member

  6. Cappadocious

    Cappadocious Well-Known Member

    Eastern Orthodox
    In Relationship
    The Definition of the Third Council of Constantinople:

    Following the five holy Ecumenical Councils and the holy and approved Fathers, with one voice defining that our Lord Jesus Christ must be confessed to be very God and very man, one of the holy and consubstantial and life-giving Trinity, perfect in Deity and perfect in humanity, very God and very man, of a reasonable soul and human body subsisting; consubstantial with the Father as touching his Godhead and consubstantial with us as touching his manhood; in all things like unto us, sin only excepted; begotten of his Father before all ages according to his Godhead, but in these last days for us men and for our salvation made man of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary, strictly and properly the Mother of God according to the flesh.

    One and the same Christ our Lord the only-begotten Son of two natures unconfusedly, unchangeably, inseparably indivisibly to be recognized, the peculiarities of neither nature being lost by the union but rather the proprieties of each nature being preserved, concurring in one Person and in one subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons but one and the same only-begotten Son of God, the Word, our Lord Jesus Christ, according as the Prophets of old have taught us and as our Lord Jesus Christ himself hath instructed us, and the Creed of the holy Fathers hath delivered to us.

    Defining all this we likewise declare that in him are two natural wills and two natural operations indivisibly, inconvertibly, inseparably, inconfusedly, according to the teaching of the holy Fathers. And these two natural wills are not contrary the one to the other (God forbid!) as the impious heretics assert, but his human will follows and that not as resisting and reluctant, but rather as subject to his divine and omnipotent will. For it was right that the flesh should be moved but subject to the divine will, according to the most wise Athanasius. For as his flesh is called and is the flesh of God the Word, so also the natural will of his flesh is called and is the proper will of God the Word, as he himself says: 'I came down from heaven, not that I might do mine own will but the will of the Father which sent me!' where he calls his own will the will of his flesh, inasmuch as his flesh was also his own.

    For as his most holy and immaculate animated flesh was not destroyed because it was deified but continued in its own state and nature, so also his human will, although deified, was not suppressed, but was rather preserved according to the saying of Gregory the Theologian: 'His will is not contrary to God but altogether deified.'

    We glorify two natural operations indivisibly, immutably, inconfusedly, inseparably in the same our Lord Jesus Christ our true God, that is to say a divine operation and a human operation, according to the divine preacher Leo, who most distinctly asserts as follows: 'For each form does in communion with the other what pertains properly to it, the Word, namely, doing that which pertains to the Word, and the flesh that which pertains to the flesh.'

    For we will not admit one natural operation in God and in the creature, as we will not exalt into the divine essence what is created, nor will we bring down the glory of the divine nature to the place suited to the creature. We recognize the miracles and the sufferings as of one and the same, but of one or of the other nature of which he is and in which he exists, as Cyril admirably says.

    Preserving therefore the inconfusedness and indivisibility, we make briefly this whole confession, believing our Lord Jesus Christ to be one of the Trinity and after the incarnation our true God, we say that his two natures shone forth in his one subsistence in which he both performed the miracles and endured the sufferings through the whole of his economic conversation, and that not in appearance only but in very deed, and this by reason of the difference of nature which must be recognized in the same Person, for although joined together yet each nature wills and does the things proper to it and that indivisibly and inconfusedly. Wherefore we confess two wills and two operations, concurring most fitly in him for the salvation of the human race.
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  8. CaliforniaJosiah

    CaliforniaJosiah Well-Known Member Supporter


    We all affirm the Creed. Although I would make one extremely important change to how you put it. I would affirm that we believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church since I don't believe in the RC Denomination. Otherwise - yup, I'm with ya!

    And I think it is HELPFUL to always keep in mind not only the FAITH that unites us (our trust/reliance in Christ as our Savior) but also the enormous, significant corpus of DOCTRINE that we share! Christianity is not only the world's largest religion (yet) but also the world's most doctrinally united religion. We often forget that as we (naturally - perhaps also appropriately) discuss what has increasingly been used to divide us and used to condemn each other. There is an ENORMOUS corpus of agreement. Over the past 10 years, I have tried - repeatedly - to celebrate this at CF, starting threads to note what we SHARE and AGREE upon - but all these threads ended in a quick and unnoticed death.

    When I left the RC Denomination, I met first with our pastor (a VERY loving man who I did - and do - enormously admire). As I poured out my heart, he cared.... and loved. When I told him that I agreed with at least 95% of what I had been taught, at least 95% of the 2865 points of the Catechism I had read and studied over and over, his comment was "Josiah - that's a whole lot better than most Catholics." And he was right. Although I MAY have a reputation around here for NOT agreeing with Catholics, the reality is we agree a LOT.... a LOT. And I would stress, what we AGREE on tends to be the stuff that counts.

    Long ago, when I was an undergrad taking intro classes, I well recall a physics prof saying that Physics makes perfect sense - until you get to the edges, then it all gets WEIRD. Lol. I often think about that.... as it applies to Christian doctrine. There are the "edges" - those fringe groups - where things suddenly get "weird." But for the VAST MAJORITY of Christians, there is a VAST corpus of important doctrines we fully agree on.

    But this is ignored at CF
    . And will be this post, lol.....;)

    Thank you!

    A blessed Holy Week to you and yours....

    - Josiah
  9. Tigger45

    Tigger45 “That they may be one.” Supporter

    United States
    Nope you're wrong! I agree 100% ;)
  10. duolos

    duolos ὁ δοῦλος

    I believe in one God,
    the Father Almighty,
    Maker of heaven and earth,
    of all things visible and invisible

    I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
    the only-begotten Son of God,
    begotten of the Father before all worlds;
    God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God;
    begotten, not made, being of one Substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.
    Who, for us humans for our salvation, He came down from heaven,
    and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary,
    and was made man.
    He was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate,
    He suffered and was buried.
    On the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures.
    He ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father,
    and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the living and the dead,
    and whose kingdom shall have no end

    I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life;
    who proceeds from the Father;*
    who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified.
    He has spoken by the prophets.
    And I believe One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church,
    I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins,
    and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.

    *I cannot in good conscience affirm the filioque, nor can I fully affirm that the Spirit does not proceed from the Son as such I leave out the filioque
  11. MarkRohfrietsch

    MarkRohfrietsch Unapologetic Apologist Supporter

    Making this a sticky.:)
  12. seashale76

    seashale76 Orthodox Christian and Unapologetic Iconodule

    Eastern Orthodox
    I affirm it, as well. It's certainly not affirmed by the site as a whole anymore.
  13. Fenwick

    Fenwick I literally don't care

    United States
    Do you mean the collective membership or the site itself? I was just looking around and I couldn't find any SOF on here...
  14. duolos

    duolos ὁ δοῦλος

  15. All4Christ

    All4Christ ✙ The Handmaid of God Laura ✙ Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

    United States
    Eastern Orthodox
    I'm a bit late on this, but I want to affirm this as well!

    I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible.

    And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He arose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; Whose Kingdom shall have no end.

    And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father; Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; Who spoke by the prophets.

    In one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
  16. Catherineanne

    Catherineanne Well-Known Member

    United Kingdom
    Most certainly.

  17. Tzaousios

    Tzaousios Αυγουστινιανικός Χριστιανός

    I affirm it. Amen!
  18. Korah

    Korah Anglican Lutheran Supporter

    Ja. Ich glaube.
    Danke schon.
    Gruss gott! (Standard Bavarian "Hello!" literally, "God's greetings")
  19. thecolorsblend

    thecolorsblend If God is your Father, who is your Mother?

    In Relationship
    I believe in one God,
    the Father almighty,
    maker of heaven and earth,
    of all things visible and invisible.

    I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
    the Only Begotten Son of God,
    born of the Father before all ages.
    God from God, Light from Light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
    through Him all things were made.
    For us men and for our salvation
    He came down from heaven,
    and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
    and became man.
    For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
    He suffered death and was buried,
    and rose again on the third day
    in accordance with the Scriptures.
    He ascended into heaven
    and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
    He will come again in glory
    to judge the living and the dead
    and His kingdom will have no end.

    I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
    who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
    who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
    who has spoken through the prophets.

    I believe in one Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
    I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins
    and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
    and the life of the world to come.
    Amen! :crosseo:
  20. Gregoire de Nazianze

    Gregoire de Nazianze Member

    Unaltered Nicene creed is THE frame of all Christian exegesis, hermeneutic and theology, according to the scriptures ALONE. So, I plainly et explicitly receive it and confess Jesus-Christ, through its words.
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2015