Hypothetical question

[keras]

The covenant is the Mt Sinai covenant. It is a covenant that God offered to Daniel's people, the children of Israel, at Mt. Sinai.

Quite wrong.
Daniel 9:27 is clear; it will be a seven year agreement between a world leader and the 'many', who are the inhabitants of Jerusalem an all of the holy Land in the end times.
The division of those peoples, the many and the rest; is shown in Daniel 11:32, Zechariah 14:2 and Revelation 12.

The little horn person will cater to their wishes as the false prophet anoints him the king of Israel. He will then confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant in the manner Moses described in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 by making a big speech to the nation of Israel from the temple mount, that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel as theirs forever. Thus beginning the 7 years.

Dreamed up fiction!
Proved wrong by how the 7 years commences peacefully. Only at the mid-point does the 'beast' come to Jerusalem and conquer the holy peoples. Revelation 13:5-7, Daniel 7:25

 

[Douggg]

Quite wrong.
Daniel 9:27 is clear; it will be a seven year agreement between a world leader and the 'many', who are the inhabitants of Jerusalem an all of the holy Land in the end times.
The division of those peoples, the many and the rest; is shown in Daniel 11:32, Zechariah 14:2 and Revelation 12.

The Gog/Magog event will be unmistakable when it happens. Right now, you and I have two completely different views.

When the Gog/Magog event happens, then everything after that will validate which of us is right.

Dreamed up fiction!
Proved wrong by how the 7 years commences peacefully. Only at the mid-point does the 'beast' come to Jerusalem and conquer the holy peoples. Revelation 13:5-7, Daniel 7:25

keras, you are making an emotional response. In Daniel 8:13, the little person commits the transgression of desolation.

What do you think the transgression of desolation will be ? "transgressed what ? The Mt Sinai covenant provided the laws which Israel was to go by. In Daniel 9:11, as Daniel was confessing the sins of his people, Daniel said.... Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 9:27 is clear; it will be a seven year agreement between a world leader and the 'many', who are the inhabitants of Jerusalem an all of the holy Land in the end times.

keras, in your scenario the newly formed nation of Beulah, a replacement of the present nation of Israel, made up of Christians who moved there following a solar flare event - why would such a nation of those Christians being extremely knowledgeable of the end times, enter into a treaty with the leader of a One World Government, knowing the consequences ?

Don't you think the Christians will be discussing the end time on the internet at that time ?

Also, it seems to me that you have taken the Jews out of your end times scenario.

 

[keras]

keras, in your scenario the newly formed nation of Beulah, a replacement of the present nation of Israel, made up Christians who moved there following a solar flare event - why would such a nation of those Christians be extremely knowledgeable of the end times, and would enter into an agreement with the leader of the One World Government ?

I quote what the Prophesies tell us:
Daniel 11:32 By plausible promises he will win over those who are ready to violate the Covenant....... This Covenant is the new Covenant , between God and the Christian peoples. Jeremiah 31:31-34, 2 Corinthians 3:6, His protection for their loyalty to Him.

Don't you think the Christians will be discussing the end time on the internet at that time ?

There will be no internet, or much at all of our modern infrastructure after the Sixth Seal event.
We know from the incident of the golden calf at the Exodus, how quickly people can turn from God.

Also, it seems to me that you have taken the Jews out of your end times scenario.

God does that: Zephaniah 1:18, Hosea 4:3, Isaiah 29:1-4, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Luke 19:27, +
Only the true Israelites of God will remain in Jerusalem, to be joined by a vast multitude of the faithful Christian peoples; Revelation 7:9

 

[Douggg]

There will be no internet, or much at all of our modern infrastructure after the Sixth Seal event.
We know from the incident of the golden calf at the Exodus, how quickly people can turn from God.

keras, I think you believe that the Sixth Seal event is the solar flare event that you think that will happen before the nation of Beulah in your scenario is built.

So infrastructure of TV and internet will be re-established, as Beulah is built. Otherwise, how will people around the world know to exchange gifts when the two witnesses are killed ?

Revelation 11:

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

 

[keras]

keras, I think you believe that the Sixth Seal event is the solar flare event that you think that will happen before the nation of Beulah in your scenario is built.

Correct, thank you,

So infrastructure of TV and internet will be re-established, as Beulah is built. Otherwise, how will people around the world know to exchange gifts when the two witnesses are killed ?

To re-establish TV and internet will be virtually impossible, as we won't be able to launch satellites, or replace undersea cables. Radio transmission and local telephones can be set up fairly quickly.

Zephaniah 1:18, Hosea 4:3, Isaiah 29:1-4, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Luke 19:27, +

Having read these Prophesies, do you still think the Jews will have a part to play in the end times?
A remnant of Christian Jews will join their brethren. Romans 9:27 They won't say much! Ezekiel 16:63

 

[Douggg]

Having read these Prophesies, do you still think the Jews will have a part to play in the end times?
A remnant of Christian Jews will join their brethren. Romans 9:27 They won't say much! Ezekiel 16:63

Those passages don't say that God has abandoned the Jews, Israel, in the end times.

It is the Jews who will build the next temple and be conducting animal sacrifices that the Antichrist will stop in the middle part of the seven years. And he will commit the transgression (against the Mt. Sinai covenant to worship only the One True God) of desolation by going into the temple sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood in 2Thessalonians2:4.

Daniel 8:
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

 

[keras]

Those passages don't say that God has abandoned the Jews, Israel, in the end times.

They, and many other Prophesies do say that Judah will be decimated and just the remnant of those who are Christians now, will be saved.

A clear and undeniable Prophecy:
Isaiah 22:7-11 The Lord’s protection over Judah is removed and the Destroyer of the nations overruns them; their preparations and military might is of no avail, because they do not look to the One who made them, or have respect for Him who planned it all long ago.

Isaiah 22:12-14 On that Day, the Lord called for weeping and mourning, but instead there was joy and merrymaking, feasting and dancing. You say: ‘let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die”
Here are Words revealed by the Lord of Hosts - Your wickedness will never be wiped out, surely you will die for it.

It is the Jews who will build the next temple and be conducting animal sacrifices

Wrong, Isaiah 56:1-8 and all of Ezekiel 40 to 46, prove that the Christian peoples will inhabit the holy Land and build the new Temple. Zechariah 6:15, Romans 9:24-26
Your fanciful charts are full of errors and just serve to discredit you.

 

[Douggg]

Wrong, Isaiah 56:1-8 and all of Ezekiel 40 to 46, prove that the Christian peoples will inhabit the holy Land and build the new Temple. Zechariah 6:15, Romans 9:24-26

keras, Christians don't do animal sacrifices. Animal sacrifices are not part of the new covenant in Christ.

 

[keras]

keras, Christians don't do animal sacrifices. Animal sacrifices are not part of the new covenant in Christ.

Are you going to say to God - I refuse to do as You require?

Ezekiel 40 to 46 is clear; the Christian peoples will build a new Temple and will make sacrifices and offerings to God in it.
Isaiah 56:1-8 proves it.

 

[Laodicean60]

I have a question? I've heard Gog Magog is Russia coming from the north against Israel. So, for this to happen, America has to be incapacitated. Do you think the EU allows the hated Russia to do so, or do they hate Israel more? Does the EU ally with Russia if we think the anti-Christ comes from that area? How does it all fit in today's geopolitics?

 

[Indentured Servant]

D-None of the above.

 

[keras]

How does it all fit in today's geopolitics?

Todays geopolitics will soon be no more.
The Sixth Seal Day of the Lords wrath, will happen when the Islamic peoples commence their attack on Israel. Psalms 83, and the result will change the world, leading to the fulfilment of all the things between Rev 7 to Rev 19:11

 

[Laodicean60]

Todays geopolitics will soon be no more.
The Sixth Seal Day of the Lords wrath, will happen when the Islamic peoples commence their attack on Israel. Psalms 83, and the result will change the world, leading to the fulfilment of all the things between Rev 7 to Rev 19:11

Are you saying Psalms 83 is Ezekiel 38-39? I think different nations are listed

 

[keras]

Are you saying Psalms 83 is Ezekiel 38-39? I think different nations are listed

No.
They are different attacks, different peoples involved and for a different purpose.
Psalms 83 is the next Prophesied event.
The G/M attack comes later; against the Christian peoples in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 66:15-21, gives the right sequence.

 

[Laodicean60]

No

I asked a different question.

 

[eclipsenow]

Todays geopolitics will soon be no more.
The Sixth Seal Day of the Lords wrath, will happen when the Islamic peoples commence their attack on Israel. Psalms 83, and the result will change the world, leading to the fulfilment of all the things between Rev 7 to Rev 19:11

Sigh.
Why do you not question the "vision" you say you had when you have already abandoned your own end times table? Surely you know - deep down somewhere - how suspect it all is after conveniently "recalculating" your timetable away from the AOD this January coming? There's no temple in Jerusalem! How is it going to happen Keras? Or more pertinent - WHY isn't it going to happen?

Have you ever gone back and read how bombastically CERTAIN you were in your end times table? How you equated your little SciFi story with the certainty os scripture itself?

Oh - but wait - now you have a new and improved version!

Are you for real?

 

[Erik Nelson]

Gog = Caucasus mountains region (St. Jerome)

Europa was the daughter of Agenor (Greek mythology), whose is the same as Canaan (Hebrew Bible), hence she was a Canaanite princess, and to this day Semitic speaking Jews from the same region and same language family trace lineage through the mother

So, anyone labeled as a "European Caucasian" is being labeled a Canaanite Gog/Magog, sinful according to both OT and NT (as it happens)

 

[eclipsenow]

Gog = Caucasus mountains region (St. Jerome)

Europa was the daughter of Agenor (Greek mythology), whose is the same as Canaan (Hebrew Bible), hence she was a Canaanite princess, and to this day Semitic speaking Jews from the same region and same language family trace lineage through the mother

So, anyone labeled as a "European Caucasian" is being labeled a Canaanite Gog/Magog, sinful according to both OT and NT (as it happens)

Except that we're all sinners.

Except that Jesus died to save us.

Except that the gospel goes out into tribes and languages and people's in Acts to bless the whole world to fulfil the promises to Abraham in Genesis 12.

Except that Gog isn't a real OT enemy of God - but an amalgamation of all the OT kingdoms that stood against God - metaphor of them.

This is an example of how dangerous it is to try and guess a literal end times table from the OT and NT. We start trying to figure out who the "bad guys" are - which can undermine the basic gospel truths!

 

[Jamdoc]

Zech 14 talks about all nations coming against Jerusalem ransacking the houses and raping the women.
As of today,there are millions of Muslims in the countries surrounding Israel who would like nothing more than to kill every jew as they are instructed in the Hadith.

Given that the US is Israel's ally and the prophecy in zech 14 is inevitable,What do you believe the president would do with Muslims going throughout Israel killing all the Jews,as well as dancing over the corpses of the US ambassador,and all US servicemen in Israel and over the corpses of everyone in the Israeli government?


A-Does he attack all the Muslim nations that invaded Israel with conventional weapons in a looooong drawn out war?

B-Does he use nukes against all those nations and end it quickly?

C-Or does he convert to Islam as Muslims believe all nations will?

D-None of the above.

I think either we have a leader who betrays Israel, or .. we get ourselves in a nuke fight with someone taking the world back to the stone age (and so things like Gog/Magog would be fought with literal swords and bucklers)