Hypothetical for Scientists

[Loudmouth]

History has a progression of events behind it --- so does age (today).

In Genesis 1, age was embedded --- without a history behind it.

This is an Omphalos argument. Plain and simple. You can't have age without a history.

When you have lead in a zircon the only way it could have arrived there is through the radioactive decay of uranium. The presence of lead evidences a HISTORY of radioactive decay. There is no other way around it. There is not one functional reason that zircons need lead in them. The Earth would function just fine without lead in a single zircon.

 

[thaumaturgy]

The Earth would function just fine without lead in a single zircon.

But, sadly, God wouldn't.

 

[PacificPandeist]

Then hows come I'm not justified when I say that whatever the age that the earth was at Creation, that's when God made it? (Which is what I've been asserting all along.)

There's a difference between saying "God made the world 13.7 billion years ago" and "God made a brand new 13.7 billion year old world 6000 years ago".... for the same reason that even God can not make a three-sided square, God can not make a brand new multi-billion year old world.... of course, God could make a brand new world that appeared to be many billions of years old.... if God were a deceiver....

 

[FishFace]

How about truly creating age? Is that option in your paradigms anywhere? (Don't answer --- I already know).

To truly create age a thing would have to actually have existed for all the time it had this age. Sure, an omnipotent being could do that, but you're saying that the earth's been in existence for only 6100 years. So it hasn't truly had age added to it.

So, you've still not demonstrated a difference between embedding age and embedding history.

 

[TheManeki]

Y'know, I'm beginning to wish that the material in question had been dolemite, and not "dalite." Then we could talk about signifying monkeys, which would be very germane in CREVO.

http://www.dolemite.com/original_rhymes.php

 

[Chalnoth]

Y'know, I'm beginning to wish that the material in question had been dolemite, and not "dalite." Then we could talk about signifying monkeys, which would be very germane in CREVO.

http://www.dolemite.com/original_rhymes.php

Heh. For a moment there, I thought you wrote dolomite.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Absolutely not --- the earth has only been in operation for 6100 years.

Make up your mind. Three posts back you said the opposite.

Yes --- I claim that this planet was created 6100 years ago with 4.5 billions years imbedded in it. So how can I be claiming both?

Age is an abstract concept. You cannot "imbed" it into something without imbedding history.

Why is this so hard for you guys to grasp? Seriously --- even my niece understands.

No, AV, only your niece understands.

 

[FishFace]

No, AV, only your niece understands.

Quoted for emphasis, and probable truth.

If only I'd thought to put it so succinctly.

 

[Nathan Poe]

No, AV, only your niece understands.

And I'd wager that she only thinks she understands -- or perhaps wants you to think she understands.

 

[FishFace]

And I'd wager that she only thinks she understands -- or perhaps wants you to think she understands.

Probably the former.

 

[monkeypsycho62]

Errr........why would God want to make it seem like the Earth is really older than it is?

Is He just a jokester, or is there a valid reason?

 

[AV1611VET]

How do you know any of this? How do you know exactly what God MEANT to say in the Bible, but didn't say?

You gotta eat your Wheaties, son!

[bible]2 Timothy 2:15[/bible]

 

[AV1611VET]

But, that's how I went away from christianity. I checked with many different "mechanics" much more learned than I in many different subjects. I found every car to be unsuitable and decided to just walk.

Stick around and read my posts --- I'll get'cha back in the driver's seat - (with God's help).

 

[AV1611VET]

When you have lead in a zircon the only way it could have arrived there is through the radioactive decay of uranium.

Or maybe God put it there? Did that thought cross your mind?

 

[AV1611VET]

... for the same reason that even God can not make a three-sided square, God can not make a brand new multi-billion year old world...

God can't, huh?

Let me ask you this. Has it ever been demonstrated that you can turn a basketball inside-out without breaking its surface?

 

[AV1611VET]

No, AV, only your niece understands.

My whole church understands. In fact, I just brought that up to my wife yesterday, and she understands.

I used to think the earth was only 6100 years old, until my pastor preached otherwise --- and I had no problem with it at all.

 

[AV1611VET]

Errr........why would God want to make it seem like the Earth is really older than it is?

Because it is.

Is He just a jokester, or is there a valid reason?

In my opinion, the reason He did that is because a young earth would not have been able to sustain life; it had to be a mature earth.

 

[nvxplorer]

In my opinion, the reason He did that is because a young earth would not have been able to sustain life; it had to be a mature earth.

Surely, an omnipotent being could create anything he wanted. Sounds like you're saying that God is constrained by the laws of physics.

 

[AV1611VET]

Surely, an omnipotent being could create anything he wanted.

Indeed --- He made us to live within the laws He authored.

Sounds like you're saying that God is constrained by the laws of physics.

No --- we are.

Think about it. If we had been created to live by other laws, we'd certainly look different.

This is why, when the laws of physics are going to revert back, we are going to have glorified bodies.

Our old bodies wouldn't be able to survive under the new laws.

 

[nvxplorer]

Indeed --- He made us to live within the laws He authored.

If God intended us to exist from the beginning, but a young earth was not capable of sustaining us, then God made a mistake. Either God made a mistake, which you claim he corrected by "aging" the earth, or God didn't intend us to exist from the beginning.

No --- we are.

Think about it. If we had been created to live by other laws, we'd certainly look different.

This is why, when the laws of physics are going to revert back, we are going to have glorified bodies.

Our old bodies wouldn't be able to survive under the new laws.

If God cannot create in such a way that a young earth can sustain life, then it is God who is constrained.