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Hypothetical: Creationism becomes standard in science classes

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We can tell it now, but I am no certain about if the methods apply to the past.
 
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Not the words maybe but the concepts.
 
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We can tell it now, but I am no certain about if the methods apply to the past.

There is no reason to think that universalism isnt true, to think otherwise is as rational as last tuesdayism.
 
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Sorry but that isn't even remotely the same as your hypothetical that someone could say "I have a million dollars" and have it appear in their account. Try again.
But that is how it works.
 
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Go read my research.
The equations are only valid for a small view of time. After that the exponent changes because of damping factors.
They are still houses like the second. The first they hire us to build for them. And they still think like they did back then.
They don't know what x-rays are.
God gives us the power to determine the nature of the world. We interfere with ourselves.
That's why there are very few basics of Christianity.
 
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Not knowingly, ofc. It's just like you probably think most Christians are in cahoots to try to make you think God is real.
Might have worked differently.
But without the use now, it cannot be checked to be right.
No other theory possible.
All the cancer "cures" I see.
 
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In moving however far he moved, there was a point at which he only had to move 5 feet. Distance has nothing to do with angles.
 
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Ken, you keep digging yourself a deeper hole and then pretend the hole isnt there.
 
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This shows indeed that the original study has not been duplicated. However, it also suggests at the end that homogenization may be bad for another reason.

I told you I was guessing.
 
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Long before the internet age. And I was busy doing other things.
 
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Just to keep it straight. The articles I read were of new research in 1983 and 1987. They discussed breakdown of an enzyme, not the creation of one. So the lack of evidence of the oster theory cannot be what I read.
 
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"scientific" experiments ha?

But for some reason, the "article" is posted on some new-age-type mumbo-jumbo website.
The trouble with this entire argument, is that there are different ways to view reality. At any given time in history, one or another may dominate. "Mumbo-jumbo" is simply a word for what odes not fit hte vocabulary used by the culture of the epoch we are now in.
 
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There may have been 2. I don't l know. I am certain of the year because it stopped the building of First Presbyterian Church of Rome NY, which was built by 1812 or so.
 
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So many bits of the site you referred us to are . . . in need of being replicated before being accepted, because they seem to be nonsense.

Here's the site you suggested as formative for your ideas:

Scientific Experiments Show That DNA Begins as a Quantum Wave and Not as a Molecule

Here's some of what I consider to be nonsense I pulled out of it:

Leikin believes some sort of electromagnetic charge allowed the same colored molecules to cluster. However, other experiments show that this is not the case. That it is most likely to be gravity. Let us explain.

Gravity is not going to be an influence on chemical reactions in a test tube.

In 2011, Nobel Prize winner Dr. Luc Montagnier demonstrated that DNA can be spontaneously formed out of merely hydrogen and oxygen.

DNA requires carbon and nitrogen atoms or it cannot form.

In 1984, Russian scientist Dr. Peter Gariaev discovered that when a DNA molecule was placed inside a small quartz container, it naturally absorbed every photon in the room

What? The room became dark? Or was it that the DNA was black? Pictures of DNA I've seen show it to be white.


Ghosts of molecules formerly present?

All this stuff is, to me, woo. As credible as n-rays, which were briefly fashionable in the early 1900's but were, alas, figments of overactive imaginations, and did not stand up to the test of being replicable.
 
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We can tell it now, but I am no certain about if the methods apply to the past.
I know you're not. The problem is that you have no logical or rational basis to believe that, only that it conflicts with your religious beliefs.
 
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Not the words maybe but the concepts.
As I already pointed out to you, the concepts of micro and macro evolution are not discussed anywhere in the article. If you feel otherwise, feel free to post a relevant quote from the article.
 
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Go read my research.
Am I supposed to just pull your research out of thin air or would you care to give me a link or two?

The equations are only valid for a small view of time. After that the exponent changes because of damping factors.
On what do you base these claims?

They are still houses like the second. The first they hire us to build for them. And they still think like they did back then.
They don't know what x-rays are.
Exactly. I could build a house like the second. However if I wanted one with running water, gas, and electricity, I would contract with someone with the expertise to build them for me. The same goes for doctors, lawyers, or <gasp> scientists.

God gives us the power to determine the nature of the world.
You're absolutely right, He does. Yet you are claiming that the vast majority of scientists, who are using their God-given abilities, are wrong solely because their findings disagree with your particular interpretation of Scripture.

We interfere with ourselves.
Yes we do. Quite often by clinging to outdated ideas that have been proven wrong or by raising objections to things but giving no reasonable, logical, or rational reason to do so.

That's why there are very few basics of Christianity.
Just because a tiny minority loudly disagree doesn't mean there aren't many basics to Christianity.
 
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Not knowingly, ofc.
So a person can unknowingly manipulate data and just happen to manipulate it so it comes to the same conclusion as 97% of the other people working on the same idea?

Pull the other one.

It's just like you probably think most Christians are in cahoots to try to make you think God is real.
Why would I think that? I do believe God is real. I just don't think He is deceptive with the fingerprints He left behind in the real world.

Might have worked differently.
You keep saying that without a shred of evidence.

HOW would it have worked differently.

But without the use now, it cannot be checked to be right.
Of course it can.

No other theory possible.
"No other theory possible" is your standard of proof? Then you cannot claim to be a real scientist or science teacher because that is not the way science works.

All the cancer "cures" I see.
To which cancer "cures" are you referring. Radiation, chemotherapy, and surgery work very well if not 100% and not without side effects.

Eating a lot of red chili peppers won't cure cancer at all.
 
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