Hyperdoxy, What is IT? How to avoid it?

[ArmyMatt]

I had a serious bout of convertitis for a while (even loudly checking Skittles for dairy......yeah....)

 

[~Anastasia~]

I had a serious bout of convertitis for a while (even loudly checking Skittles for dairy......yeah....)

Forgive me if that makes me chuckle.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Forgive me if that makes me chuckle.

I do now as well, often with a headshake and a facepalm

 

[GregConstantine]

"feeling that one has to support Vladimir Putin"

This one is very true.

Another thing to watch out for is conflating the values of the Republican Party and Conservatism with Orthodoxy

 

[gzt]

I had a serious bout of convertitis for a while (even loudly checking Skittles for dairy......yeah....)

Don't leave us hanging on this! Are they kosher?

 

[seashale76]

I had a serious bout of convertitis for a while (even loudly checking Skittles for dairy......yeah....)

I put up a recipe on some Orthodox recipe thing on a certain social media site only to have someone question one of my ingredients because it contained dairy. I had never even considered that it might contain dairy at all- because if it does it is so scant as to be negligible. I had to double check. It did. I just stared at the screen like, really, woman? My husband told me were weren't giving it up though. It's one of our staples.

 

[dzheremi]

I was going to recommend staying off the internet...

 

[jckstraw72]

one thing that's great about Orthodoxy in America is that we have churches from all the various jurisdictions/ethnicities, so you can go around and see all the different traditions, the different flavors and styles and see that no one style is THE Orthodox way ... we can see the universality of the Church really easily in America

 

[ZaidaBoBaida]

I put up a recipe on some Orthodox recipe thing on a certain social media site only to have someone question one of my ingredients because it contained dairy. I had never even considered that it might contain dairy at all- because if it does it is so scant as to be negligible. I had to double check. It did. I just stared at the screen like, really, woman? My husband told me were weren't giving it up though. It's one of our staples.

SHARE!!! Post the recipe!

 

[GregConstantine]

The intent and the attempt is far more important than if you happen to ingest traces of dairy. Lots of places that manufacture food will have on their packages "made in a facility that have dairy, nuts..."

You will go insane trying to make sure not one miniscule amount of dairy or meat crosses your lips.

 

[RobNJ]

Forgive me if that makes me chuckle.

Don't worry, Chuckles are dairy-free!

 

[jckstraw72]

antidote: http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/fsr_63.aspx

 

[Kristos]

is there dairy in a latte? I don't check ingredients either

 

[~Anastasia~]

antidote: http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/fsr_63.aspx

That is a most interesting article.

I had many thoughts while I read it - remembering cautions I have read about Fr. Seraphim himself, remembering some of the charges I have stumbled across over the past year or so (I am not able to properly evaluate the charges myself, so I try always to be cautious). Thinking that the group he spoke about sounded very "Protestant" and that they sought an "Orthodox Reformation" of sorts, which the article apparently finds as true. Remembering some very mean-spirited comments I've encountered over the past year and a half from individuals that would seem to be the offspring of such a movement (I've been told directly that my Church - jurisdiction - has no grace, and essentially been called a heretic over calendar issues). I'm also reminded of my SIL, the only person in my family who actually converted to Orthodoxy years ago, but her priest was defrocked and she followed in loyalty to him rather than the Church, and she now calls herself a kind a pan-religious person.

There is much there. And I'm not qualified to evaluate much at all or comment on it. But I can recognize a godly, humble, and loving spirit and value that above one that may be better educated in Orthodox theology but would gleefully condemn most all Orthodox in the process. (I've encountered folks like that too.)

And yet on the other hand, there is at least one bishop I would presume to refuse to listen to, because I do believe I know what the Church teaches on some issues and he teaches otherwise.

Lord have mercy, and may He grant me humility. I do think Fr. Seraphim is right, that at least a dose of that is better than perfect correctness without.

 

[~Anastasia~]

Don't worry, Chuckles are dairy-free!
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I don't think I've ever seen those but it's good to know something is!

 

[gzt]

I would just say that Fr Seraphim's ascetic life and spiritual/pastoral counsels are generally regarded as fairly safe to regard highly (with the caveat of course that any spiritual or pastoral counsel should be taken under the supervision and advice of somebody who knows your ailment - no self-medication!). As for church politics, anybody in the ROCOR in the 70s is going to be complicated, he's certainly a lot "better" than the people who were flirting with the Greek Old Calendarists. His theological works are definitely controversial.

Here's some more from him that pertains to the subject of the thread: http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/fsr_88.aspx (specifically the "crazy convert" stuff and his letter to a spiritual child)

 

[ArmyMatt]

Don't leave us hanging on this! Are they kosher?

haha, I think they are good. I had a good friend as me what the heck I was doing, and I quickly put the bag down

 

[ArmyMatt]

I put up a recipe on some Orthodox recipe thing on a certain social media site only to have someone question one of my ingredients because it contained dairy. I had never even considered that it might contain dairy at all- because if it does it is so scant as to be negligible. I had to double check. It did. I just stared at the screen like, really, woman? My husband told me were weren't giving it up though. It's one of our staples.

when a Catholic priest who always shows up at STOTS brought doughnuts on a Friday, one of the more zealous folks here asked if they were Lenten. our bookstore manager replied with if they are given in kindness, they are always Lenten.

 

[~Anastasia~]

when a Catholic priest who always shows up at STOTS brought doughnuts on a Friday, one of the more zealous folks here asked if they were Lenten. our bookstore manager replied with if they are given in kindness, they are always Lenten.

Father pretty sternly told us that if food is set before us, we give thanks, make our Cross, and we eat it, WITHOUT commenting on the nature of our fast.

 

[~Anastasia~]

I would just say that Fr Seraphim's ascetic life and spiritual/pastoral counsels are generally regarded as fairly safe to regard highly (with the caveat of course that any spiritual or pastoral counsel should be taken under the supervision and advice of somebody who knows your ailment - no self-medication!). As for church politics, anybody in the ROCOR in the 70s is going to be complicated, he's certainly a lot "better" than the people who were flirting with the Greek Old Calendarists. His theological works are definitely controversial.

Here's some more from him that pertains to the subject of the thread: http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/fsr_88.aspx (specifically the "crazy convert" stuff and his letter to a spiritual child)

Thank you. It's going to take me a while to sort things out, but I'm starting to recognize names and remember what was said before.

Most definitely no self-medication. I do like to discuss and get points of view - it helps me think more clearly and know better what exactly to ask - but I ultimately take the questions to Fr. C before doing anything.

Church politics weigh on my soul, but the Church is full of imperfect people so if there is controversy I try to remember that.

My priest's biggest concern with Fr. Seraphim was that he doesn't like catechumen or newly Orthodox in general to follow any one teacher too closely, and he has seen some do that with Fr. Seraphim. I have his blessing now to read whatever I want, as long as I bring concerns to him, but Fr. C keeps me on a stricter schedule. It's a treat right now to finally be reading a few things I'd really looked forward to.

Thanks for the article. I'll have a look.