Hunting

[Spinrad]

Then you don't kill them, which means you don't fit my criteria in the OR.

You can not win this.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Then you don't kill them, which means you don't fit my criteria in the OR.

You can not win this.

As soon as you took the members communication out of context for the mocking, one side had already lost... and it wasn't me.
"Laughing" at the... reasoning... while the the event were brought up and included the killing and then all other context outside and beyond were shoved under the carpet is far from 'clarification in reasoning'.

There is no spoon.

 

[Spinrad]

If you kill what you hunt you desire the death of what you hunt. There is simply no way to avoid this. Have another kill it. Eat a peice of it alive. Eat something else. You have options. You do not hunt and kill anything that you did not want to hunt and kill. Period.

Next.

 

[Jetgirl]

You know, I used to be really anti-hunting....

Until I worked on a ranch for a number of years and found out that chickens really are feathered cockroaches, and while I don't like the idea of any creature suffering, I had no problem taking the stupid, evil, filthy, flapping rats out with a slingshot after a while. Ugh, such vermin.

Too bad they were too disgusting to eat though, having injested too much horse medicine, pesticides, other chickens and whatever other rotten garbage they could lay into. Otherwise I could have cut down on my grocery bill by quite a bit.

Paid too. Ranch manager paid a buck a head. Five for roosters.

 

[skinner]

I think hunting, if it is to be done, should be done without guns.

Use a bow and arrow. Or better yet, a knife.

It's not much of a sport if one side has all the power.

One side has a weapon of some sort, the other side has superior power of all the senses, actually makes it somewhat even. Maybe you assume that having a rifle always makes hunting easy. Not.
Anyway, if we are hunting for food, why should we make things especially sporting? Yeah, I'm gonna jump out of a tree onto a deer, that should be a nice, clean, humane kill!

 

[Lokisdottir]

One side has a weapon of some sort, the other side has superior power of all the senses, actually makes it somewhat even. Maybe you assume that having a rifle always makes hunting easy. Not.

No, that's not what I'm assuming. But think of it this way: one side has the all-powerful touch of death at his fingertips, and the other side has... a couple of pointy sticks attached to his head, along with improved hearing. Yeah, that's an even fight, huh?

Anyway, if we are hunting for food, why should we make things especially sporting? Yeah, I'm gonna jump out of a tree onto a deer, that should be a nice, clean, humane kill!

Because nobody hunts purely for food. If all they wanted was a bite to eat, they'd go to the grocery store. There's always a sporting element.

 

[Jetgirl]

Because nobody hunts purely for food. If all they wanted was a bite to eat, they'd go to the grocery store. There's always a sporting element.

But venisonis good, and like another poster stated, it's not like you can just pop down to your local grocery and get deer kabob.

And it's really not like we're going to run out of deer anytime soon, quite the opposite.

 

[freewilly]

Is hunting immoral? I like to ask questions of these sorts, as noone can come up with a clear answer.

As an outdoorsman, I enjoy the time I spend hunting. Not because I get to kill something, but simply because I can be alone with the wonderful scenery that the Lord made for us.

If you don't eat it then you shouldn't kill it.

 

[psychedelicist]

Is hunting immoral? I like to ask questions of these sorts, as noone can come up with a clear answer.

As an outdoorsman, I enjoy the time I spend hunting. Not because I get to kill something, but simply because I can be alone with the wonderful scenery that the Lord made for us.

I find it funny that the majority of the thread does not like hunting because it is killing, especially when hunting just for sport rather than survival. What I think they forget is that animals kill each other all the time in nature, often for more pointless reasons than sports. Granted, we are the dominant species on the planet, and I'm sure with our intelligence we can find ways around killing. But to call hunting for sport "immoral" is like calling ant colonies that kill each other over territory "immoral" as well.

I myself do not hunt for sport, I have hunted before but it's just not really my thing. But I gotta admit, venison thats that is that fresh tastes much better than store bought If I was to actually have to hunt for survival I would have no qualms about it, though.

 

[freewilly]

I find it funny that the majority of the thread does not like hunting because it is killing, especially when hunting just for sport rather than survival. What I think they forget is that animals kill each other all the time in nature, often for more pointless reasons than sports. Granted, we are the dominant species on the planet, and I'm sure with our intelligence we can find ways around killing. But to call hunting for sport "immoral" is like calling ant colonies that kill each other over territory "immoral" as well.

I myself do not hunt for sport, I have hunted before but it's just not really my thing. But I gotta admit, venison thats that is that fresh tastes much better than store bought If I was to actually have to hunt for survival I would have no qualms about it, though.

animals don't kill for sport, unlike us.

 

[psychedelicist]

animals don't kill for sport, unlike us.

No, but many will kill one another over who gets which mate, or in my ant example, for no seeable reason at all except for territorial reasons perhaps. The point is, they kill for non-survival reasons, so to say that we as humans are immoral in doing so, would also have to admit that many animals also behave immorally as well.

 

[freewilly]

No, but many will kill one another over who gets which mate, or in my ant example, for no seeable reason at all except for territorial reasons perhaps. The point is, they kill for non-survival reasons, so to say that we as humans are immoral in doing so, would also have to admit that many animals also behave immorally as well.

WEll first I didn't say it was immoral and second:

EVerything animals do is to survive. Territorial is survival.

If a lion deos not protect its' trritory than that means less food for him/her.

 

[psychedelicist]

WEll first I didn't say it was immoral and second:

EVerything animals do is to survive. Territorial is survival.

If a lion deos not protect its' trritory than that means less food for him/her.

So should I go and shoot my coworkers? After all, the more they work, the less I work, and less work=less money, which =less food. Territorialism at it's finest.

 

[Cerberus~]

I take it you don't eat your meat from living animals. You could.

But it would die if you did that. I think eating an animal, dead or alive when your fork hits it, is a death sentence either way.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

What I'm not looking forward to is having to cull these large herds of deer, that are now overpopulated, diseased, starving, causing injury to drivers, and crop damage because of the people who said, "we can't hunt them, they're too cute".

That's a terrible waste that could have been avoided if not for the people who wanted to save the deer.

Ironic that the people who keep telling us how much more compassionate and morally superior they are because they don't hunt, while we do, are causing the worst suffering to the animals they claim to care about.

What you are saying is exactly the reason why the question was brought up. Groups like PETA are the reason why hunters have a bad name. I do take hikes and strolls along the woods, but I'm walking at that time. While I'm hunting, I have to listen for the deer. Therefore, I will be able to hear nature more clear, and realize the beauty of it. As far as wasting meat, don't think so. Every part of the deer can be used, and most of the time, we do use most of it. The meat, obviously we eat. Various ways to prepare it. As for the head, get it mounted along with the antlers. For the bones, you can use those for jewelry, knives, or other items. The skin can be used for blankets, carpet or clothing.

 

[Bevlina]

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