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Humans aren't apes... but biologically how?

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I was trying to be civil. Do you like me to express it explicitly?
Of course it is biological.

I was civil. You just phrased your original comment horrendously.
But still, it was a non sequitur. Care to answer the question of why, to you (since I know you don't support the view of the theory of evolution), biologically, humans aren't apes?
 
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This is a common claim I see, and I'm sure everyone on this forum sees, very often from creationists/ID proponents that goes: "Humans aren't apes".

For this, I would like an answer: Biologically, how aren't humans apes?

So you turn "Humans aren't apes" your actual observation of what people say, into a question on how humans aren't biologically apes?

You have no claim at all to base the question on from the get go. You are telling us to put our money where our mouth is, when our mouth never said any such thing. Why don't you ask the actual question your actual observations are based on?

It's easy to see the difference. And I wonder what percentage of our DNA matches up with a cow?

Assuming some of the directions you are headed with this, and without reading the whole thread, whatever building block works best are used to make everyone, and just like bricks on a building, one can construct anything from the most basic/unintelligent to the most intelligent. The fact DNA was used on everything doesn't mean we evolved and it doesn't take God from the picture of creation.

And FWIW, we need to pay attention not so much to the high percentage of like DNA, but the low percentage that isn't alike, that makes all the difference. But it really shouldn't even take that...Apes and Humans are as different as other animals and humans, we only need to observe them..

I know I'm late for the party so if this has already been brought up...good, I agree.
 
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So you turn "Humans aren't apes" your actual observation of what people say, into a question on how humans aren't biologically apes?

Why is wrong of me to ask for clarification on that statement?
 
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The fact DNA was used on everything doesn't mean we evolved and it doesn't take God from the picture of creation.

Except for the fact that if life didn't evolve it was clearly created in a manner which mimics the outcome one would expect from evolution. Which begs the question to why a creator would do such a thing, but such questions, alas, never are answered.
 
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So the reason, for you, that humans aren't apes is because of the line of logic of "Well I ain't no dirty, stinkin' ape!".
That is obvious, one would think. We ain't. No more than we are a pig or a cockroach. I understand that those are all considered family to evos, but let's call a spade a spade.
 
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Straining at gnats and swallowing camels, as somebody once said.
On the other hand a better rendition of those words might be for men who strain at similarities between animals and man while ignoring the camel of creation.
 
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You accepted that even one change in a base pair could be fatal. Yet you cannot accept that 40 million differences point to an even more significant difference and de novo design intervention.

Pardon?

The notion that similar code in 2 different species will generate a similar mutational history in response to a shared environment will account for most of the others.

Please describe further the shared environment between camel and dolphin, given they are genetically closer together than dolphin and fish.
 
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Except for the fact that if life didn't evolve it was clearly created in a manner which mimics the outcome one would expect from evolution.
False. It was created the way He saw fit. The way you look at fossils and DNA is skewed and makes things look a certain way to you.
 
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Why is wrong of me to ask for clarification on that statement?

The statement you claimed was made when i reality it never was? It was the deception that led to your question that concerned me.

What's to clarify? The DNA is similar, no one ever claimed it wasn't that I know of. So, to you, does that make us Apes?

Actually what exactly are you attempting to point out here?
 
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Except for the fact that if life didn't evolve it was clearly created in a manner which mimics the outcome one would expect from evolution. Which begs the question to why a creator would do such a thing, but such questions, alas, never are answered.

Mimics it, how so?
 
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Just because you've never made the claim doesn't mean the claim hasn't ever been made.

And why does it have to have a point? I'm simply asking a question: how, biologically, are humans not apes, according to creationists and ID proponents?
 
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That is obvious, one would think. We ain't. No more than we are a pig or a cockroach. I understand that those are all considered family to evos, but let's call a spade a spade.

You're whole basis is really just because of your own ego. Good to know.
 
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It's not about the differences between apes and humans since humans are apes.
What I'm asking is, can creationists and ID proponents give a biological reason why humans aren't apes.

The brain being the answer but you ruled that one out.

I think opposable toes and the apes swinging lifestyle may also be considered an important difference in creature style but agree with you that being hairy and swinging from trees by your toes is not as significant as non Tarzan lovers would like to believe.
 
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Dating the flood and fossils is out of scope to this thread. But basically your extended timescales are inferred not proven. The flood occurred about 5000 years ago and was global. Microevolution is considered a more rapid process by creationists than by evolutionists it seems and harsh conditions and the previous longevity of preflood and immediate post flood humans are not properly factored in by evolutionists.

When God created man he seems to have used much of the same stuff he used to create apes. But the big difference and the extra development cost is concentrated in the human brain. This development is unprecedented in the animal world and distinguishes us from them. It also required a significant amount of completely new design work
 
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But even with the increased brain size in humans, HUMANS ARE STILL APES.
 
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It's refreshing that you've finally admitted that your entire hangup on this thread is basically because of your own line of reasoning which is "I ain't no dirty stinking ape!"

No I have no aversion to apes. But staring into their blank faces at the Zoo is enough to convince me I am not one.
 
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No I have no aversion to apes. But staring into their blank faces at the Zoo is enough to convince me I am not one.

Except that your entire line of logic in this thread heavily hints that the reason you don't see yourself as an ape because you find it wrong. Even though, biologically, you are one.
 
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Except that your entire line of logic in this thread heavily hints that the reason you don't see yourself as an ape because you find it wrong. Even though, biologically, you are one.

No it is the biblical distinction made between apes and humans that matters. God made us in His image while apes are just another animal. It seems that what it means to be made in Gods image biologically is focused very much on the brain and how intelligence, consciousness, spirituality shapes the way we then regard and use our bodies.
 
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But if God made us in His image, then why are humans massive similar, in virtually every biological sense, to other apes, enough for scientists to classify humans as apes?
 
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