Humans are not self-aware

[timewerx]

It's rather ironic to hear people disparaging social & cultural programming from deep within the bounds of their religious indoctrination... Matthew 7:3 springs to mind

I'm aware of the irony.

I'm simply establishing a common ground with the readers since most members here are Christians....

If I'm in a secular forum, I'd be quoting from secular sources.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

There are different levels of self and self knowledge.

True. Most do not want to truly look at themselves to actually become aware of themselves.

It's rather ironic to hear people disparaging social & cultural programming from deep within the bounds of their religious indoctrination... Matthew 7:3 springs to mind

Lord Jesus pointed out that none of us know enough to be trying to condemn another because what we hate in another is what we unknowingly hate in ourselves. Ouch! Who wants to acknowledge that?

In the book of James,we read
James 1:22-24 King James Version (KJV)
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.


In other words, you look into a mirror and see a piece of green spinach on your teeth, but you don't do anything about it. So, you leave the mirror and forget about the spinach on your teeth. You lose your self awareness. You go smiling big at your significant other and they just look at you with disgust. You can't figure it out because you are not aware that the spinach in your teeth is turning your significant other off.

That is why Lord Jesus says judge not lest you be judged. I know that was a gross example, but how many things do we do without even thinking about it? How many ill thoughts run through our minds without our capturing them and discarding them?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Perhaps, but if you can't sell everything you own now, or if you can't afford to lose it all without serious trauma or sadness then likely your control is delusion. Most philosophies and religions of the world have disconnection from the material world as a step to growing and becoming more aware. As the Word of the Most High said to the rich young man, "sell all of your possessions... then you will be 'perfect'". Part of the illusion of self awareness is the energy we put into an action, and a favorable result output. This is because our thinking is so basic that we do not demand much; most of what we look for can be accomplished by luck and circumstance. For example, subliminal control works well because it allows the vessel to believe what s/he does is their own idea. This way, there is no resistance in the programming.

Moving a mountain, for example, requires a measure of self awareness that only One Human I know has... so far. But, Peter walked on water for a few seconds until he reverted back to his original programming of the world that says humans can't walk on water. For a few seconds, Peter was actually self aware.

What seems real may be a very detailed projection.

I think Peter began to sink because he became self aware, realizing that he actually couldn't walk on water.

It is thought that Jesus was offering the young nobleman discipleship.

Today the church uses vast amounts of money to spread the gospel message, to minister to the saints, and to provide for the ministry.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I think Peter began to sink because he became self aware, realizing that he actually couldn't walk on water.

No, Peter remembered his programing that said he couldn't walk on water. Lord Jesus demonstrated that he could, and he did until programing caused him to doubt.

 

[timewerx]

These are built-in defense mechanisms in the programming - to discourage divergence. When people are legitimately hated for telling the truth, it is because they pose a threat to the program.

One thing they all have in common, they were all lovers of money.

haters of the truth are all lovers of money

those who hate corporate whistleblowers are also lovers of money

It's the same pattern, religion or secular, and even in science as long as it concerns the hidden or hard truths about our world.

Money is a control element.

And according to the Bible, if you love money, you will despise God. God is the embodiment of the truth. Hence, the relationship. The god of this world is the devil. It is cunning enough to have many many followers thinking he's the same god in the Bible.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

True. Most do not want to truly look at themselves to actually become aware of themselves.

Matthew 10:39 (KJV) He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Matthew 10:39 (KJV) He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Yes! Lose the old self (old programing) and become the new creature in Christ.
2 Cor. 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.(KJV)

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yes! Lose the old self (old programing) and become the new creature in Christ.
2 Cor. 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.(KJV)

What does that mean, in the practical sense?

 

[Kaon]

One thing they all have in common, they were all lovers of money.

haters of the truth are all lovers of money

those who hate corporate whistleblowers are also lovers of money

It's the same pattern, religion or secular, and even in science as long as it concerns the hidden or hard truths about our world.

Money is a control element.

And according to the Bible, if you love money, you will despise God. God is the embodiment of the truth. Hence, the relationship. The god of this world is the devil. It is cunning enough to have many many followers thinking he's the same god in the Bible.

Too many people are ignorant of the fake god masquerading as the Father of the Christ. It is not, and it plays both sides just to maintain the controlled chaos.

The god of this plane of existence is from chaos, and the best it can do is equilibrium/balance - which is why it is favored in sciences, and divergent answers (unbounded solutions) are usually rejected as unnatural or impossible.

I think you are right about the foundation of the aversion to truth comes from a love or dependency on money. Interesting how humans can believe we are free when mere cotton (or even 1s and 0s) control our mental, physical, and psychological health - as well as our future and very identity. It is a Beast System.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

What does that mean, in the practical sense?

Most people will not acknowledge that they are not aware of themselves or that they do not know themselves because they cannot see themselves. But, once they are born again, they see, or become self aware and begin to embrace the new way of thinking,divesting of the old dead programing .
Amazing Grace
How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost
But now I am found
Was blind but now I see

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Too many people are ignorant of the fake god masquerading as the Father of the Christ. It is not, and it plays both sides just to maintain the controlled chaos.

The god of this plane of existence is from chaos, and the best it can do is equilibrium/balance - which is why it is favored in sciences, and divergent answers (unbounded solutions) are usually rejected as unnatural or impossible.

I think you are right about the foundation of the aversion to truth comes from a love or dependency on money. Interesting how humans can believe we are free when mere cotton (or even 1s and 0s) control our mental, physical, and psychological health - as well as our future and very identity. It is a Beast System.

We are to use it wisely, and make 'friends' by it's use while it is viable.

"Money is a wonderful servant, but a cruel master."

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Most people will not acknowledge that they are not aware of themselves or that they do not know themselves because they cannot see themselves. But, once they are born again, they see, or become self aware and begin to embrace the new way of thinking,divesting of the old dead programing .
Amazing Grace
How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost
But now I am found
Was blind but now I see

Can you cite a practical example, perhaps in your own life?

 

[timewerx]

The god of this plane of existence is from chaos, and the best it can do is equilibrium/balance - which is why it is favored in sciences, and divergent answers (unbounded solutions) are usually rejected as unnatural or impossible.

Towards higher entropy (more chaos). Most of our technology is based on it, including our economy.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Can you cite a practical example, perhaps in your own life?

I learned to observe my thoughts and to replace dead thoughts with positive life giving thoughts.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I learned to observe my thoughts and to replace dead thoughts with positive life giving thoughts.

How do these new thoughts manifest themselves?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

How do these new thoughts manifest themselves?

It depends on the thoughts of course. I am a retired nurse. I had to do some serious casting down of the thought that I could not finish nursing school.But I finished and had a long career.

 

[timewerx]

We are to use it wisely, and make 'friends' by it's use while it is viable.

I think you might be interpreting that verse (Luke 16:9) by a different meaning.

You left out the part "....When it fails...." or "....When it is gone..." ...then you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings"

It relates to our salvation by how we use money. That verse is actually related to the rich young man who came to Christ.

Jesus is the eternal dwelling. The rich young man wants to follow Christ.

If the rich young man did what Christ asked of him, he'll be broke, his money will be gone but he would have gained many friends (the poor that he helped by giving away his material wealth)

But most importantly, Christ will receive him (into the eternal dwellings)

Another rich man did what Jesus is asked of the rich young man and Jesus declared salvation to his house (Zacchaeus)

It is not about using money wisely in a worldly sense, but using money in how the Lord wants us to use money.

We should not be following Solomon's wisdom about material wealth. Very often, the wisdom of Jesus contradicts the wisdom of Solomon and it's not surprising. Solomon gave himself over to the false gods of his many wives. To Satan, in short. Even in Jewish myths, it is said that Solomon indulged himself in the Occult / witchcraft. Even the number of the antiChrist points to him.

Many occult orders see Solomon as a prominent figure in their craft.

"All of Scriptures is good for teaching..." - Apostle Paul

But in every study is a test. The Bible is also testing you if you are using sound reasoning to discern the truth.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You left out the part "....When it fails...." or "....When it is gone..." ...then you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings"

"While it is viable" covered that.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It depends on the thoughts of course. I am a retired nurse. I had to do some serious casting down of the thought that I could not finish nursing school.But I finished and had a long career.

I'm glad it translated into positive action for you.

 

[timewerx]

"While it is viable" covered that.

You still left out the part "...then you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings"

"If it's no longer viable (money)" you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings...That's actually the BEST part of that verse.

The supernatural aspect of that verse. But you did not mention it or did not notice it. It's almost as if, keeping money viable is more important to you than having money fail but be welcomed in eternal dwellings instead.

Unfortunately, that's one thing this programming does to our brains, dismiss / ignore / avoid the supernatural aspect of reality.

It's probably not your intent but you can see what society's programming does to one's way of thinking and even seeing scriptures.