Humanism vs Religion....

[sentipente]

John 1:1 does not say that the Bible is the Word. You got that from your preachers who take delight in repeating this untruth everyweek.

 

[mva1985]

John 1:1 does not say that the Bible is the Word. You got that from your preachers who take delight in repeating this untruth everyweek.

When read completely through it DOES say that Jesus was the Word.

 

[sentipente]

When read completely through it DOES say that Jesus was the Word.

And that's all it says. It never suggests that the Bible is the Word. Unfortunately, the pew has been deceived by the pulpit into believing this to be the case.

 

[yashualover]

there may be many paths that the Father uses to get to us....

Yes that is true, but in regards to salvation there is only one narrow path that allows to escape the wrath of God.

 

[sentipente]

Yes that is true, but in regards to salvation there is only one narrow path that allows to escape the wrath of God.

Is it one path or actually one path maker? It may be dangerous to suggest that the path maker prefers one of His paths over all the other paths He has made available.

 

[AndrewK788]

Is it one path or actually one path maker? It may be dangerous to suggest that the path maker prefers one of His paths over all the other paths He has made available.

It could also be dangerous to suggest that most paths lead to the same destination.

Not saying I disagree with your point...just something to think about.

 

[sentipente]

It could also be dangerous to suggest that most paths lead to the same destination.

Not saying I disagree with your point...just something to think about.

Not much of a problem since one can only walk one path at at time.

 

[yashualover]

Is it one path or actually one path maker? It may be dangerous to suggest that the path maker prefers one of His paths over all the other paths He has made available.

If you are not using the Canon of scripture of 66 books to direct your path you are definitely on the wrong path.

Psa 119:105 Nun. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, And light unto my path.
Psa 119:106 I have sworn, and have confirmed it, That I will observe thy righteous ordinances.
Psa 119:107 I am afflicted very much: Quicken me, O Jehovah, according unto thy word.
Psa 119:108 Accept, I beseech thee, the freewill-offerings of my mouth, O Jehovah, And teach me thine ordinances.
Psa 119:109 My soul is continually in my hand; Yet do I not forget thy law.
Psa 119:110 The wicked have laid a snare for me; Yet have I not gone astray from thy precepts.
Psa 119:111 Thy testimonies have I taken as a heritage for ever; For they are the rejoicing of my heart.
Psa 119:112 I have inclined my heart to perform thy statutes For ever, even unto the end.
Psa 119:113 Samekh. I hate them that are of a double mind; But thy law do I love.
Psa 119:114 Thou art my hiding-place and my shield: I hope in thy word.

 

[sentipente]

If you are not using the Canon of scripture of 66 books to direct your path you are definitely on the wrong path.

Would you like to remind us who came up with that Canon?

 

[yashualover]

Would you like to remind us who came up with that Canon?

YHWH almighty sovereign creator of heaven and earth and all things in it.

 

[VictorC]

CF software double-posted

 

[VictorC]

Here is something to start us off.... what do you think about the following?
http://www.progressiveliving.org/humanism.htm

So its possible to be both, or must you be one or the other? Are there any values that we can take from humanistic thought and use in religion? Why is humanism treated as a dirty word by those who are religious?

Perhaps the best answer is to be found in the manifestos published by the American Humanist Association since 1933 (Manifesto I).

Small excerpt from Humanist Manifesto II (1973):

Too often traditional faiths encourage dependence rather than independence, obedience rather than affirmation, fear rather than courage. More recently they have generated concerned social action, with many signs of relevance appearing in the wake of the "God Is Dead" theologies. But we can discover no divine purpose or providence for the human species. While there is much that we do not know, humans are responsible for what we are or will become. No deity will save us; we must save ourselves.

Humanism is dependent on the paradigm that there is no god who can offer salvation, nor can these people determine a divine purpose from a God they claim doesn't exist. It gets better:

Promises of immortal salvation or fear of eternal damnation are both illusory and harmful.

Now compare this to everyone's favorite passage from John 3:16-19:

16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19: And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

I hope it becomes apparent that Humanism, itself a body of religious thought rooted in Darwinism, is incompatible with any form of Theism, including the Judeo-Christian worldview.

Victor

 

[StormyOne]

I would not hold any .org to something written 30 yrs ago since beliefs change and evolve.... anything more current you care to hang your hat on?

 

[VictorC]

I would not hold any .org to something written 30 yrs ago since beliefs change and evolve.... anything more current you care to hang your hat on?

"Your" hat? This is anchored to the OP, written by Stormyone, and I see that you're ... Stormyone!

I assume this is addressed to me, since I provided a link to the Humanist Manifesto II that was published in 1973, and the AHA uses a .org domain.

I was surprised to see that there is now a Humanist Manifesto III, which doesn't have much to add to the previous manifestos published by this organ.

It summarizes their position in this update published in 2005, and I lifted this excerpt:

Humans are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change. Humanists recognize nature as self-existing. We accept our life as all and enough, distinguishing things as they are from things as we might wish or imagine them to be. We welcome the challenges of the future, and are drawn to and undaunted by the yet to be known.

It has no omissions from the association's previous menifestos.
We had to study these losers in college, and that's why this 2005 publication surprised me.

As you can probably determine on your own, the dogma of Darwinists doesn't evolve.
That's an interesting insight, wouldn't you agree?

Victor

 

[yashualover]

Perhaps the best answer is to be found in the manifestos published by the American Humanist Association since 1933 (Manifesto I).

Small excerpt from Humanist Manifesto II (1973):

Too often traditional faiths encourage dependence rather than independence, obedience rather than affirmation, fear rather than courage. More recently they have generated concerned social action, with many signs of relevance appearing in the wake of the "God Is Dead" theologies. But we can discover no divine purpose or providence for the human species. While there is much that we do not know, humans are responsible for what we are or will become. No deity will save us; we must save ourselves.

Humanism is dependent on the paradigm that there is no god who can offer salvation, nor can these people determine a divine purpose from a God they claim doesn't exist. It gets better:

Promises of immortal salvation or fear of eternal damnation are both illusory and harmful.

Now compare this to everyone's favorite passage from John 3:16-19:

16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19: And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

I hope it becomes apparent that Humanism, itself a body of religious thought rooted in Darwinism, is incompatible with any form of Theism, including the Judeo-Christian worldview.

Victor

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