Humanism vs Religion....

[Megadylan]

and in christianity humans are not of highest importance next to god?

 

[yashualover]

With that it agrees and has no doubt!
But would you not agree that God focuses quite intimately on His creation? We bes the apple of His eye, and He takes notice of even how many hairs bes on our heads. We bes very much His focus.

Most of His creation are under His wrath, their lives are hanging by a thread over the fires of hell.

Rom 1:18 For God's wrath is being revealed from heaven against all the ungodliness and wickedness of those who in their wickedness suppress the truth.
Rom 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God himself has made it plain to them.
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes-his eternal power and divine nature-have been understood and observed by what he made, so that people are without excuse.
Rom 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him. Instead, their thoughts turned to worthless things, and their ignorant hearts were darkened.
Rom 1:22 Though claiming to be wise, they became fools

oh 3:35 The Father loves the Son and has put everything in his hands.
Joh 3:36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

 

[GregorytheGood]

I come not to judge the world, but to SAVE the world. --Jesus

I, personally do not agree with the importance Humanists give humans, because it can be dangerous; instead, I place great importance on human potential.

Humanism vs. Humanitarianism...
Humanitariansim is one of the core teachings of Christianity.

Most of the tenets of humanism reflect those of most major religions as well as common sense.

 

[StormyOne]

humans are obviously important I would think given that Christianity has built a whole system around God becoming "human" to save humanity....

 

[moicherie]

The sermon on the mount talks about how to treat your fellow humans if that is not real humanism then I don't know what is.

 

[GregorytheGood]

I agree, Humans are extremely important, and supremely precious to God on Earth.
What I meant to say is that some of those "humanist tenants" almost sounded like they were making human will/knowledge out to be the ultimate, universal, end all-be all. I agree with the IDEAL that humankind must strive toward the goal of human perfection, but I think its dangerous to suggest that we're already there.

Humanitarianism, often interchanged with humanism, is 100% Christian, and is a basic teaching in nearly all religions.

 

[sentipente]

I agree, Humans are extremely important, and supremely precious to God on Earth.
What I meant to say is that some of those "humanist tenants" almost sounded like they were making human will/knowledge out to be the ultimate, universal, end all-be all. I agree with the IDEAL that humankind must strive toward the goal of human perfection, but I think its dangerous to suggest that we're already there.

The danger is in equating humanism with what humans say about it rather than in discovering what it really is. (Hint: Would you judge the universe by what pre-Galileo astronomers said about it or by what our telescopes have allowed us to discover about it?)

 

[sentipente]

God should be the focal point

How does one find the focal point? Where is it?

 

[sentipente]

theology time sista' not evolution

Reality time, brotha, not mere opinion.

 

[sentipente]

I don't think that statement is complete.

JM

Your statement is certainly incomplete. Please explain some more.

 

[sentipente]

The story of humanism bores me, the story of religions is often quite interesting... (and I really like the Christian one).

JM

What do you think is the story of humanism and how accurate do you think the one that bores you is?

 

[GregorytheGood]

Listen Sentipede,

I totally agree that Humanism is not bad. ...In fact, it is good. I just do not accept it as the end-all, be-all.
I do not accept it as a replacement for the endless compassion of Jesus.

 

[StormyOne]

I don't think anyone has suggested that it is the end all, however it is worthy of consideration given that God "rescued" humans.... while the story is about God, it can also be about the humans who were rescued....

 

[yashualover]

Secular humanists do NOT submit to the scriptures as our ultimate and final authority.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxZKJSNVgqM

 

[StormyOne]

and they should?

 

[sentipente]

and they should?

Precisely the problem. No one is able to independently show that the Bible should be our exclusive source of authority, not to mention the Christian interpretation of the Bible.

 

[yashualover]

Precisely the problem. No one is able to independently show that the Bible should be our exclusive source of authority, not to mention the Christian interpretation of the Bible.

That's the Holy Spirit's job.

Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life, NO man comes to the Father except through me"

All other paths lead to hell.

 

[StormyOne]

That's the Holy Spirit's job.

Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life, NO man comes to the Father except through me"

All other paths lead to hell.

there may be many paths that the Father uses to get to us....

 

[sentipente]

That's the Holy Spirit's job.

Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life, NO man comes to the Father except through me"

All other paths lead to hell.

What does this mean? Are you suggesting that the Bible is another term for Jesus? How does Jesus being the way to the Father translate into the exclusive authority of the Bible?

 

[yashualover]

What does this mean? Are you suggesting that the Bible is another term for Jesus? How does Jesus being the way to the Father translate into the exclusive authority of the Bible?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness apprehended it not.
Joh 1:6 There came a man, sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7 The same came for witness, that he might bear witness of the light, that all might believe through him.
Joh 1:8 He was not the light, but came that he might bear witness of the light.
Joh 1:9 There was the true light, even the light which lighteth every man, coming into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and they that were his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth.