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Humanism vs Religion....

StormyOne

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Here is something to start us off.... what do you think about the following?

The Core Beliefs of Humanism

Humanism has two core beliefs, with two important implications. The core beliefs are:

* People should learn to think for themselves, not just blindly accept what they are told by figures of authority. This is because authority figures too often have an agenda of their own, frequently the enhancement of their own wealth or power. And even when this is not the case, authorities are themselves often uninformed or confused.

* Values are based in the human person. In order to know whether a given course of conduct is meaningful or right, we can ask ourselves whether it promotes the maintenance or development of the normal capabilities of human beings, such as thinking, feeling, and physical health.

The two important implications are:

* People should try hard to get the facts before forming opinions or commiting to values.

* People should base their values primarily upon the sacredness of life.

The idea that all people are much the same everywhere, and are equally entitled to justice and opportunity regardless of race or gender, owes much to Humanism.
Humanism and Religion

Humanism is a down-to-earth philosophical movement that represents a turn toward the satisfaction of human needs, both material and spiritual, and the fulfillment of human potential, here and now. Humanism therefore lacks much interest in the supernatural and theological, or in an afterlife.

This doesn't mean that Humanists are necessarily atheists. Though it may come as a shock to some, there are many religious Humanists. (Christians and Humanists alike would do well to keep in mind that there was a time when Christian thinkers like St. Thomas Aquinas consciously incorporated the humanism of Aristotle into Christianity, and that eminent Humanist thinkers like Erasmus were Christians.) Linking religious and secular humanists is the belief that nothing should be accepted on faith. There must always be good evidence for beliefs, religious or otherwise. This is the most fundamental tenet of rationalism. But nothing specific to Humanism precludes belief in God. Indeed, the controversy concerning the existence of God is far less relevant to values than ordinarily supposed.

http://www.progressiveliving.org/humanism.htm

So its possible to be both, or must you be one or the other? Are there any values that we can take from humanistic thought and use in religion? Why is humanism treated as a dirty word by those who are religious?
 

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Humanism often places humans as of primary importance. That is my major gripe with it.

There are (many?) religious humanists.

JM
but there are many in religion who place humans as primary importance, what are we to make of that?

Likewise just because some make humans the focal point doesn't mean that some of the components of humanism are wrong....
 
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What should be the focal point then? Last it checked, seemed God and that whole Christ coming to earth, living, dying on a Cross, etc. bes about nothing more nor less than saving humans, giving them life eternal and abundantly so at that. Seems pretty clear God bes about putsy His creatures first.
 
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What should be the focal point then? Last it checked, seemed God and that whole Christ coming to earth, living, dying on a Cross, etc. bes about nothing more nor less than saving humans, giving them life eternal and abundantly so at that. Seems pretty clear God bes about putsy His creatures first.
God should be the focal point
 
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God should be the focal point
Because? Say God is the focal point, it still does not negate this component: People should learn to think for themselves, not just blindly accept what they are told by figures of authority. This is because authority figures too often have an agenda of their own, frequently the enhancement of their own wealth or power. And even when this is not the case, authorities are themselves often uninformed or confused.
 
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God should be the focal point
With all due respect your species has not matured sufficiently to actually do that. Whenever you try, you confuse your own mental images of God with God Himself, and start killing one another.
 
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With all due respect your species has not matured sufficiently to actually do that. Whenever you try, you confuse your own mental images of God with God Himself, and start killing one another.
theology time sista' not evolution
 
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Because? Say God is the focal point, it still does not negate this component: People should learn to think for themselves, not just blindly accept what they are told by figures of authority. This is because authority figures too often have an agenda of their own, frequently the enhancement of their own wealth or power. And even when this is not the case, authorities are themselves often uninformed or confused.
Yes that would coincide with the gospel, the problem is that most humanist tend to consider "authortive" figures God himself. Not to mention the Gospel speaks of submitting yourself to the government authorities.
 
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Yes that would coincide with the gospel, the problem is that most humanist tend to consider "authortive" figures God himself. Not to mention the Gospel speaks of submitting yourself to the government authorities.
The bible does not talk about submitting to authority no matter what they do.
 
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Yes that would coincide with the gospel, the problem is that most humanist tend to consider "authortive" figures God himself. Not to mention the Gospel speaks of submitting yourself to the government authorities.
one can submit and still question... I don't see it as an either or situation.... one must retain the ability to question lest as Moicherie has pointed out, those in authority start down the "stupid" path and expect that everyone follow along....
 
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one can submit and still question... I don't see it as an either or situation.... one must retain the ability to question lest as Moicherie has pointed out, those in authority start down the "stupid" path and expect that everyone follow along....
which has happened in the past and in the present
 
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Humanists say man is the measure of all things, they are on the throne and dethrone God.

Human emotion must be made the servant of the Lord. As a humble servant, it will not try to judge Truth or to be the origin of morals. Instead of looking within ourselves, we need to look away from ourselves to God, His Word and His Grace. Instead of conforming Scripture to our feeling , we need to conform our feelings to Scripture. We need to feel as God feels and to think as He thinks. This is only possible to the degree that we learn to trust in the Lord and His Word instead of trusting in our deceitful feelings The choice is between the depravity of our hearts and the Revelation of God.
 
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God should be the focal point
With that it agrees and has no doubt! :thumbsup:
But would you not agree that God focuses quite intimately on His creation? We bes the apple of His eye, and He takes notice of even how many hairs bes on our heads. We bes very much His focus. :)
 
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