hugs and islam

[Catherineanne]

hugs are a way to protect. As if something is going to kill the person you are hugging it has to kill your first.

That is a good thought. It also has to be acknowledged that a hug is a sign of intimacy; you are letting someone into your own personal space, and allowing a considerable amount of body contact.

I agree with the person who said that indiscriminate hugging among Christians is not something I am comfortable with, or would want to participate in. If you hug everyone, then it becomes meaningless.

To me, if I allow anyone that close, it is a sign of trust, and of emotional intimacy. Or, for a new (or proposed) family member, such as a fiance of a relation being met for the first time, a sign of acceptance to the family.

 

[MercuryAndy]

i dont hug many people, only nice people i know.

It makes me sad when they refuse a hug though.

 

[bunnysfriend]

Look my friend no offense at all..But how come sex and nudity.here is so easy..
How come you can go to the cinema to a regular movie, and one scene is about women and man not related to each other having a very intimate sexual relation ship infront of everyone..How the community accepted this..do they accept this in the name of art or in the name of jesus..

How come pornography is so easy..how come???? Do you think if jesus is back you can take him to one of these adult movie stores..Do you think he will accept this..How come people accepted this pornography in this stores..

have you ever heard of strip bars..Women there exposing their bodies for money and tips..How low do the western community look to women..Why do they allow such jobs..For what reason..Is this the respect that women getting here in the west..

have you ever heard of rstaurant chain here in usa named Hooters...Do you know that they only qualification for a women to have job there is having big breasts..How come this is accepted..

i am not saying that all the west is doing this, but this is generally accept it ..people go to hooters, people go to strip bars, people go to movie theatres and see this..What happenned to the west..why is this easily accepted..please answer my questions..

My neighbors are very respected college students..a ver smart man and a very pretty lady..Living together but not married..i am really surprised how this lady and how this man expose themselves to each other and live together and have sex without being married..West needs to wake up my friend..

Whats funny is that they talk about this as freedom and they want to spread their freedom all over the world..

what kind of religion accepts these values..I do not think christianity accepts this morals and values..

same old same old. look i dont agree with strip clubs and pornography, but what am i going to do about it? yes in the west we do have freedom, to do these things if we wants to. Jesus mixed with all sorts of undesireable peoplw while he was here. he told people not to sin but he didnt force them not to. they had a choice to listen to Jesus or not to. just like people in the west do. as christians its not our Job to dictate social order.
the thing i dont get is, at least christians do something about it in the west, like have charities to help women get free of their lives of prostitution, stripping ect.. there is one group ive seen on tv that go around strip clubs buying strippers, and freeing them from their old lives and bringing them to God. christians actually go out into the community and try and help these people onto the right track instead of whining and complaining about it like most muslims do. how many muslim charity groups to you here of going out into the community and helping people like prostitutes and strippers get free, and come to God?

 

[yasser]

same old same old. look i dont agree with strip clubs and pornography, but what am i going to do about it? yes in the west we do have freedom, to do these things if we wants to. Jesus mixed with all sorts of undesireable peoplw while he was here. he told people not to sin but he didnt force them not to. they had a choice to listen to Jesus or not to. just like people in the west do. as christians its not our Job to dictate social order.
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Protection is the most important..Why it is difficult to say no nudity, no pornography..This is against God..I think the answer is either christians like nudity and pornography, or christians are very weak to take action or this is business, money is involved..The problem is not with christians who do this, the main problem is with the christian who accept this..i think western countries are free..why you elect people who support pornography....why in the name of jesus, you do not request to get rid of this..How come you go to the church every sunday, and you know that in the next street, there are people stripping, gambling or getting drunk.. How come???

the thing i dont get is, at least christians do something about it in the west, like have charities to help women get free of their lives of prostitution, stripping ect.. there is one group ive seen on tv that go around strip clubs buying strippers, and freeing them from their old lives and bringing them to God. christians actually go out into the community and try and help these people onto the right track instead of whining and complaining about it like most muslims do. how many muslim charity groups to you here of going out into the community and helping people like prostitutes and strippers get free, and come to God?

Why Muslims should do this..this is a preventable problem..There are a lot of people outside who suffer pauverty and disease and need more help than strippers...

Most of the strippers are healthy females, but they sell their bodies to make more money..each one of these can do like a lot of normal ladies who work for mcdonalds.

 

[yaqovzadeek]

same old same old. look i dont agree with strip clubs and pornography, but what am i going to do about it? yes in the west we do have freedom, to do these things if we wants to. Jesus mixed with all sorts of undesireable peoplw while he was here. he told people not to sin but he didnt force them not to. they had a choice to listen to Jesus or not to. just like people in the west do. as christians its not our Job to dictate social order.
the thing i dont get is, at least christians do something about it in the west, like have charities to help women get free of their lives of prostitution, stripping ect.. there is one group ive seen on tv that go around strip clubs buying strippers, and freeing them from their old lives and bringing them to God. christians actually go out into the community and try and help these people onto the right track instead of whining and complaining about it like most muslims do. how many muslim charity groups to you here of going out into the community and helping people like prostitutes and strippers get free, and come to God?

You see peaople always say " we have freedom to do , freedom to do that", freedom is not taking your clothes off and having illicit sex, freedom is not going against the will of GOD rebelling against GOD.By going against what GOD like and renounce is rebellion against GOD and by putting it doen to freedom it means that you are free to rebel against GOD like GOD says in his books Man shall not lie with man, it is clear, Thou shalt not committ adultery, Thou shalt not worship any other deity except GOD,it is clear but when people go against GOD and say this is freedom than that is Rebellion against GOD. And those who rebel against their creator are the worst of his creation. when people say they have the freedom to chose to worship any other deity But the One GOD and call others as gOD rather than the One true GODthen they are the worst of creation.
peace
Yaqovzadeek
Aka james the Just

 

[yaqovzadeek]

Jesus mixed with all sorts of undesireable peoplw while he was here. he told people not to sin but he didnt force them not to. they had a choice to listen to Jesus or not to. just like people in the west do?

Jesus went in to the temple and turned the money changer's tables upside down.he prevented the sins he did not Just let them do it and he joined in too.By turning their tables upside down is that not a way of forcing them not to do that.he must have preached to them loads of times but they ignored sio it wa time for action.How many Christians go to these evil places and preach to them to stop their sins, those who go there actually join in with them
The Priest themselves are adulterous, and molest children and corrupt.So how will they condemn these sins if they are part and parcle of it themselves.
peace
Yaqovzadeek
aka james the Just

 

[LightOfEyes]

Again, your proof? Give me a reputable source. Until then, your claims have no creditbility and those who read them will just roll their eyes or shake their head.

Prove to me that most westerners and Christians are adulterers. If you can't, stop making that claim.

Prove to me that they are adulterers due to the stories found in the Bible. As I told you before, the stories serve as an example to believers on proper and improper ways to behave.

A secular society is one that it not bound by religious law or have a compulsory religion. People are free to believe however they choose. Some here are Christians, some Jews, some Hindus, Muslims, and even atheists. Our society does not follow Christian laws or Jewish laws or Hindi laws, so you cannot blames the ills of western society on any one religion. The religion has nothing to do with it.

Actually that statistics niether from me nor from Muslims sites its from american sites.

I remember I watched one American program oprah in one TV channel talking about statistics regarding Pornography, they said that in USA alone they spend more than 10 billion $ every year for sex trading,
Such as movie or internet…etc .. And most of American people visiting the sex sites in the Internet and many of them are addicts watching movie, visiting Internet sites….
but what shocks me is that they said that 40% from Christians religious men visiting the sex sites.

I wonder why the Christians religious men do this, it seem to me because the bible has a lot of verses maybe 10 stories talking about incest, pornography….
here is their link:

http://www2.oprah.com/index.jhtml

Peace.

 

[LightOfEyes]

You see peaople always say " we have freedom to do , freedom to do that", freedom is not taking your clothes off and having illicit sex, freedom is not going against the will of GOD rebelling against GOD.By going against what GOD like and renounce is rebellion against GOD and by putting it doen to freedom it means that you are free to rebel against GOD like GOD says in his books Man shall not lie with man, it is clear, Thou shalt not committ adultery, Thou shalt not worship any other deity except GOD,it is clear but when people go against GOD and say this is freedom than that is Rebellion against GOD. And those who rebel against their creator are the worst of his creation. when people say they have the freedom to chose to worship any other deity But the One GOD and call others as gOD rather than the One true GODthen they are the worst of creation.
peace
Yaqovzadeek
Aka james the Just

Freedom and secular always they make it justification to do whatever they want.

Peace.

 

[Exegete12]

And your proof is located where? You are making generalizations that have no basis in fact. They cannot be applied to all westerners, let alone all Christians. You my friend, have been deceived by a teller of lies.

First of all, western society is secular. Not everyone is a Christian. In fact, there are very few born again Christians. Many state they believe in God or are Christian, but that is often more of a cultural identity rather than a true belief.

If you want to make judgements about Christianity, look at Christ and his teachings. He is who we follow. You will only find disappointment by looking at man for he is imperfect and fallible.



What is the point of Song of Solomon and such tantalizing words? It is a love story between Solomon and his wife. It shows couples a healthy marriage. In the book, we see their courtship, their marriage, and their relationship. In it, there are ups and downs, but in the end, the two remain true and committed to each other. It is a guide, plain and simple.

Sex within marriage is not dirty. It is a beautiful act that was created by God for our benefit. The descriptive words show that it is good and proper for one to feel that way about one's spouse. In the past, many have tried to corrupt marital sex in the name of religion. They said that it was a dirty act and should only be done for the sake of procreation. This book shows that God intended otherwise. He wants us to enjoy the marriage bed. What is so terrible about that?

You preach it sister!!! You go girl.
They are just jealous because of what Christian marital sex is about. They just want to cheapen it. Just do some 'planned ignoring.' [and if Mallowpuff is out there, I know she will laugh at me ]

 

[Exegete12]

what kind of religion accepts these values..I do not think christianity accepts this morals and values..

It doesn't.

 

[LightOfEyes]

Sex within marriage is not dirty. It is a beautiful act that was created by God for our benefit. ?

I agree with that but not in the book wich is supposed to be God's words and discribes sex in details its shamefull words I doubt if you can read it before your daughters. can you?

Peace

 

[little_wing]

I agree with that but not in the book wich is supposed to be God's words and discribes sex in details its a shamefull words I doubt if you can read it before your daughters. can you?

Peace

Bah, you guys are so tiresome with your silly debates which never prove anything. Group hug, everyone, let's all chill out

 

[LightOfEyes]

You preach it sister!!! You go girl.
They are just jealous because of what Christian marital sex is about. They just want to cheapen it. Just do some 'planned ignoring.' [and if Mallowpuff is out there, I know she will laugh at me ]

I just wonder who Jealous since christians don't follow even Jesus's teachings nor the ten commandments
its only in In lip service like Jesus said: Matthew 8 " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"

isn't Mary wear hijab why you don't follow her why christians do eat pork why they drink alcohol why and why and why ...

 

[yaqovzadeek]

I think what happened in the west is a proof proves that. everybody can see the west society. to have sex is easier than geting a piese of bread.

A piece of bread is an unstatement.When I was a bad boy apart from being a DJ I used to be a dancer and dance instructor.I spent a lot of time in bars and Clubs, hotles and beaches and any woman I wanted i took home at the end of the night at the click of a finger married or single, Bar maids, singers, musiciens, clubbers, students,nurses,teachers you name it.In London , Oxford, and in france too were I lived. Even when i worked in Lourdes where christian pilgrims came to pray many of them came to party and get laid.I witnessed it I worked there for 3 years.Even a holy is not immune from their immorality.As my brother lightofeyes mentions a piece of bread, well many Supermarkets are closed at night so to get bread is not easy, but the places i hung around it was bubbling with women, it was pick and choose.In france it was worst the women there were hotter and more easy.So the west is just based on sex , drugs, rock and roll and alcohol.And some women once they had a few drinks they would do anything. They have no morals. I don't mean all of them but most of them.
Peace
yaqovzadeek
aka james the Just

 

[little_wing]

They have no morals.

Sexual immorality isn't as bad as hypocrisy my friend. You slept with these women and now slam them for their immorality. Did they rape you or what? Remove the log from your own eye first, please.

Anyway, German women are hotter

 

[LightOfEyes]

Easier than getting a piece of bread? If it really was like that, I would have done it a lot during my happy infidel days. But no, there's more to the Western world than Playboy and Cosmopolitan.

A piece of bread is an unstatement.When I was a bad boy apart from being a DJ I used to be a dancer and dance instructor.I spent a lot of time in bars and Clubs and any woman I wanted i took home at the end of the night at the click of a finger, Bar maids, singers, musiciens, clubbers, students , nurses , you name it.In London , Oxford, and in france too were i lived. Even when i worked in Lourdes where christian pilgrims came to pary many of them came to party and get laid.i witnessed it ii woked there fior 3 years.Even a holy is not immune from their immorality.As my brother light of eyes mentions a piece of bread, well many Supermarkets are closed at night so to get bread is not easy, but the places i hung around it was bubbling with women, it was pick and choose.In france it was worst the women there were hotter and more easy.So the west is just based on sex , drugs, rock and roll and alcohol.And some women once they had a few drinks they would do anything. They have no morals. I don't mean all of them but most of them.
Peace
yaqovzadeek
aka james the Just

No comment.

Peace.

 

[yaqovzadeek]

Sexual immorality isn't as bad as hypocrisy my friend. You slept with these women and now slam them for their immorality. Did they rape you or what? Remove the log from your own eye first, please.

Anyway, German women are hotter

i am just quoting here cos one guy came and said it was not true.I witnessed this kind of thing and i am sure i am not allone, so for someone to come and deny it is like he is saying I am a liar. there is no denying there isimmorality in the west,sex , drugs and rock and roll and alcohol.
i haven't tried , germans but englsih scndanavian,french and spanish. Latino Heat "Que Calor ".
i mean i am talking about living the life, I had the look s and the money and the chach so i lived it to the fullest and all praise be tio Allah Islam guided me to the right track
peace
yaqovzadeek
aka james the Just

 

[yaqovzadeek]

Sexual immorality isn't as bad as hypocrisy my friend. You slept with these women and now slam them for their immorality. Did they rape you or what? Remove the log from your own eye first, please.

Anyway, German women are hotter

Ok question for you wise guy. Sex outside marriage is immoral, the bible says thou shalt not committ adultery.How many Christians, believers, church goers are "dating", "courting" or even living together, unmarried.is that not immoral?
This is the way of life in the west.A woman older than 20 still a virgin is among the exceptions.It is as if that virginity is getting in the way they have to get rid of it as soon as possible.There are many cases in The west where kids of 13 -14 have sex and get pregnant.
so where is the morality.
peace
Yaqovzadeek
aka james the Just

 

[little_wing]

i am just quoting here cos one guy came and said it was not true.I witnessed this kind of thing and i am sure i am not allone, so for someone to come and deny it is like he is saying I am a liar. there is no denying there isimmorality in the west,sex , drugs and rock and roll and alcohol.
i haven't tried , germans but englsih scndanavian,french and spanish. Latino Heat "Que Calor ".
i mean i am talking about living the life, I had the look s and the money and the chach so i lived it to the fullest and all praise be tio Allah Islam guided me to the right track
peace
yaqovzadeek
aka james the Just

Yes. There is immorality everywhere mate. West, East, North and South. I'm not denying this, and I don't really care--the whole argument is daft.

All I'm pointing out is that you are being hypocritical. You gloat to us about how many western women you've bedded, and then in the same breath you dare to criticize them for their immorality. It takes two to tango. Obviously (nominal) Muslims can be just as dirty and sinful as the rest of us mere mortals.

Peace

 

[Catherineanne]

You see peaople always say " we have freedom to do , freedom to do that", freedom is not taking your clothes off and having illicit sex, freedom is not going against the will of GOD rebelling against GOD.

I think you are missing the point somewhat. If you have a law which prevents strip clubs, and even prevents men and women sitting alone over a cup of tea, then where is the spritual advantage of obeying God?

It is only in the West, where we have strip clubs, and where Christians can, and do, choose to live lives in obedience to God of their own free will, that there can be an advantage of obeying God.

You seem to suggest that we are all sinning all over the place all the time. Actually, we are not. The vast majority of people in the West are honest, hardworking, people. And a significant number are God fearing, and follow Christ as best they can.

If you have no option but to be good, where is the goodness in the heart? I can guarantee that where you have Moslems following the letter of the law, their hearts yearn for more freedom, and where they can find a loophole, they will. Moslem women are not more modest than Western women; I have been to a Moslem country and the women there wear clothes that I would never dream of wearing. We both live within the cultures of our countries, but modesty is not a preserve of Moslem women - it is imposed on the body, but it is not a feature of the heart.

True holiness can only be found where there is a choice to be bad or good, and the person chooses good.