How would you greet a bishop?

[Not David]

Who presents themselves here as a minister and requests such a title? With Orthodox or Catholic priests, it's a bit more obvious precisely because they maintain the proper reverence, so everyone knows to call them "Fr. So-and-So", but who has time to figure out what every self-ordained person might want to be called, let alone what we are to make of other situations like women clergypeople in those denominations that allow that? I'm happy to call people whatever their tradition has developed as a formal form of address, at least on their own subforum, but I have to know what it is first.



Has Fr. Matt ever posted outside of TAW? I don't see where or when this would've come up if he's never posted on another forum.

And I call him Fr. Matt on TAW even though I'm not EO, because of what I just wrote.

He has interacted with non-Orthodox at the debate forum, and when people don't realize they are in TAW.

 

[Not David]

That is not the same thing. And, you know it its not. That is what is required of the world system. And, when using such titles for the body of Christ? They are imitating the cosmic system in doing so.

I could have walked up to Paul and said... "Hello Paul! May I ask you a question, please?"

Or? "Hi Peter! Loved your sermon yesterday!"

Where is that today?

Yes, if you respect the secular authorities, even more the ones who guide God's people.

 

[W2L]

Yes, if you respect the secular authorities, even more the ones who guide God's people.

Gods leaders are humble and should prefer the title brother over bishop, although the title does have purpose. Peter said elders should lead by example, not by lording over the flock.

 

[dzheremi]

I don't know how it is that people can be so informal about the apostles or their disciples when they themselves were not.

Just look at the salutations of any of the Pauline epistles:

"Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ; To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."

"Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."

"Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus, To Timothy, a beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord."

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These are not "Hey Romans", or "Hey Corinthians", or even "Hey Timothy" even while our father and master St. Paul calls him "a beloved son". I'm not sure I understand the motivation behind lessening our own approach to things to something that is below what was left to us by example. Reverence is not some sort of finite resource; it comes from ones own humility and corresponding recognition of place within the mystical Body of Christ (the Church).

 

[GenemZ]

Yes, if you respect the secular authorities, even more the ones who guide God's people.

You responded before I updated my post. You responded almost instantly after I posted it. Look again, please. Jesus said we are all brothers and not to use titles!

 

[W2L]

1 Corinthians 1:26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”[

 

[Not David]

You responded before I updated my post. You responded almost instantly after I posted it. Look again, please. Jesus said we are all brothers and not to use titles!

Jesus never said to use titles.

 

[Not David]

1 Corinthians 1:26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”[

Boasting in the Lord by respecting the people who work for him

 

[GenemZ]

Yes, if you respect the secular authorities, even more the ones who guide God's people.

How are they guiding them? Religion. Or, understanding the spiritual life?

They know not what respect for God's Word truly means. It means that tradition does not trump over discovered correction through proper exegesis. Corrections? When was the last time your church corrected itself?

 

[dzheremi]

He has interacted with non-Orthodox at the debate forum, and when people don't realize they are in TAW.

Ah, forgive me. I forgot about St. Justin's. You are correct.

 

[GenemZ]

Jesus never said to use titles.

You're being inconsistent. Do you share your account with someone else? That is how its coming across. You tell me I show more respect for secular authorities by using titles, then give me this?

 

[W2L]

Boasting in the Lord by respecting the people who work for him

Like any other brother. We are one body.

1 Corinthians 12:23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

 

[GenemZ]

I don't know how it is that people can be so informal about the apostles or their disciples when they themselves were not.

Just look at the salutations of any of the Pauline epistles:

"Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ; To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."

"Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."

"Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus, To Timothy, a beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord."

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These are not "Hey Romans", or "Hey Corinthians", or even "Hey Timothy" even while our father and master St. Paul calls him "a beloved son". I'm not sure I understand the motivation behind lessening our own approach to things to something that is below what was left to us by example. Reverence is not some sort of finite resource; it comes from ones own humility and corresponding recognition of place within the mystical Body of Christ (the Church).

Paul said he did not like having to use his authority given him unless it meant something was wrong with the church. That is when the position was pushed and needed.

 

[dzheremi]

Paul said he did not like having to use his authority given him unless it meant something was wrong with the church. That is when the position was pushed and needed.

What does that have to do with the elevated language of his salutations?

 

[Not David]

You're being inconsistent. Do you share your account with someone else? That is how its coming across. You tell me I show more respect for secular authorities by using titles, then give me this?

My bad, I tried to say "Never said to not use titles".

And once again, if we are told to respect the secular authorities, even more we are to do the same with the religious ones.

 

[Not David]

Like any other brother. We are one body.

1 Corinthians 12:23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

Yet, not the same part.

 

[GenemZ]

What does that have to do with the elevated language of his salutations?

Making his authority known It was an official document.

Now if I am in a church that has been secularized? I will give respect, as we are told for the world to be given. But, I will not call someone "Father" as a title. That is one title Jesus said we are not to use for any man on earth.

It said,"title." Not, when used as a descriptive term used to describe one's male parent.

 

[W2L]

Yet, not the same part.

Same body, that's the point

 

[GenemZ]

My bad, I tried to say "Never said to not use titles".

And once again, if we are told to respect the secular authorities, even more we are to do the same with the religious ones.

Religious one are really secularized. Not, spiritual.

Religion is Satan's counterfeit system. Many think that Christianity is a religion. True spirituality in the Holy Spirit in communion with the Father through Christ is Christianity.

Religion will devise and use the Bible to create concepts and programs to live by, as a good boy scout will do in pursuit of merit badges.

 

[Not David]

Same body, that's the point

How does one body affect the point?